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Postby Benuty » Sun Feb 16, 2020 5:57 pm

Albrenia wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:That being said, even if I wanted to, I go to a Wesleyan college. This is Temperance Movement central.


The Temperance Movement is still a thing? Huh.

Indeed it is.

The United States has areas that to this day are dry counties, and it is a crime to buy alcohol in them. Now you also have blue laws which prohibit transactions on sundays for the purchasing of alcohol, but the county laws still hold strong in quite a few areas.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_d ... U.S._state
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Postby Salus Maior » Sun Feb 16, 2020 6:02 pm

Albrenia wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:That being said, even if I wanted to, I go to a Wesleyan college. This is Temperance Movement central.


The Temperance Movement is still a thing? Huh.


Wesleyans were always pro-temperance.
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Postby Pyrghium » Sun Feb 16, 2020 6:03 pm

Albrenia wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:If Bloomberg makes Hillary he's VP, I'll put money on him dying of "health issues" a few months into his presidency.


Wasn't Hillary supposed to be the one on Death's door health-wise?

Sure. But she’ll do anything to be President even for only a few weeks, or months, or a year or two.

Still though, the underlying problem remains, that whoever wins in November, won’t really be able to solve any of the deep-seated issues plaguing the American Empire. Because the Country is not really ruled by the President, or other functionaries of the American Government; the Country is ruled by a Cabal of powerful Corporate interests, the Military Industrial Complex, and other Oligarchs, who just love the political and economic status quo. These types don’t care about America, or her wellbeing more than that. They simply view America as an Engine to their own ideological, political, and financial ends (ie. Global Domination, Global Governance, etc). This train is gonna keep speeding towards the edge of the cliff regardless of who’s voted in.

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Postby Imperial Joseon » Sun Feb 16, 2020 6:18 pm

Pyrghium wrote:
Albrenia wrote:
Wasn't Hillary supposed to be the one on Death's door health-wise?

Sure. But she’ll do anything to be President even for only a few weeks, or months, or a year or two.

Still though, the underlying problem remains, that whoever wins in November, won’t really be able to solve any of the deep-seated issues plaguing the American Empire. Because the Country is not really ruled by the President, or other functionaries of the American Government; the Country is ruled by a Cabal of powerful Corporate interests, the Military Industrial Complex, and other Oligarchs, who just love the political and economic status quo. These types don’t care about America, or her wellbeing more than that. They simply view America as an Engine to their own ideological, political, and financial ends (ie. Global Domination, Global Governance, etc). This train is gonna keep speeding towards the edge of the cliff regardless of who’s voted in.


She doesn't have much time; she has pneumonia.
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Postby Pyrghium » Sun Feb 16, 2020 6:22 pm

Imperial Joseon wrote:
Pyrghium wrote:Sure. But she’ll do anything to be President even for only a few weeks, or months, or a year or two.

Still though, the underlying problem remains, that whoever wins in November, won’t really be able to solve any of the deep-seated issues plaguing the American Empire. Because the Country is not really ruled by the President, or other functionaries of the American Government; the Country is ruled by a Cabal of powerful Corporate interests, the Military Industrial Complex, and other Oligarchs, who just love the political and economic status quo. These types don’t care about America, or her wellbeing more than that. They simply view America as an Engine to their own ideological, political, and financial ends (ie. Global Domination, Global Governance, etc). This train is gonna keep speeding towards the edge of the cliff regardless of who’s voted in.


She doesn't have much time; she has pneumonia.

...or she got the “Kung Flu” everybody’s so worried about :p

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Postby Imperial Joseon » Sun Feb 16, 2020 6:23 pm

Pyrghium wrote:
Imperial Joseon wrote:
She doesn't have much time; she has pneumonia.

...or she got the “Kung Flu” everybody’s so worried about :p


Not Wuhan pneumonia, though. Just a regular one.
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Postby Pyrghium » Sun Feb 16, 2020 6:30 pm

Imperial Joseon wrote:
Pyrghium wrote:...or she got the “Kung Flu” everybody’s so worried about :p


Not Wuhan pneumonia, though. Just a regular one.

I’m not saying she does (though it’s not impossible); I was just making a joke. Either way, if she kicks the can while Trump is still in office, expect some of the more unhinged Democrats and their Media helpers to allege foul play in Madam Clinton’s departure from this life. But the same could conceivably be said if the currently 73 year old President Trump were to die prior to the end of his term in Office (whether that be in January 2021, because he loses in November, or January 2025, after his second term). It’s just the nature of the divided, hyper-partisan, era we live in. Either way, half the Country would cheer, half the Country would morn; because no political leader currently commands much respect or admiration from a majority of the population.

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Postby Nakena » Sun Feb 16, 2020 7:43 pm

Salus Maior wrote:Eh, I have enough issues personally to add a period of lacking self-control to that list.


Fair enough. Its mostly just shit. It's not really that exciting or cool.

Salus Maior wrote:That being said, even if I wanted to, I go to a Wesleyan college. This is Temperance Movement central.


You could always try it on your own. I don't recommand going to get drunk while out.

That being said, I believe college drinking culture is mostly coming from the sudden exposure of american teenagers to all sorts of beverages. In other countries they are smoother introduced to it.
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Postby Salus Maior » Sun Feb 16, 2020 7:47 pm

Nakena wrote:
You could always try it on your own. I don't recommand going to get drunk while out.

That being said, I believe college drinking culture is mostly coming from the sudden exposure of american teenagers to all sorts of alcoholics. In other countries they are smoother introduced to it.


I'm a depressed enough person that I think I should avoid investing in alcohol in any kind of significant quantity. The fear being, if I start I might not stop.
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Postby Fahran » Sun Feb 16, 2020 7:48 pm

Dumb Ideologies wrote:You'll rarely see me drunk-post, because there's only about a ten minute window before I fall asleep.

I have posted in that state once or twice, usually very early in the morning or after "executive officer" brunch, but I usually keep my wits about me because, as a light weight, I'm prone to falling asleep in situations where my wits would evaporate. You can tell if I'm be stupidly nice or using big words apparently. Also, unnecessary tangents.

Luminesa wrote:I have never actually been drunk, only buzzed. The rumors are false and unfounded.

Where's the sacramental wine, Lumi!? I think the lady doth protest too much! :p

Diopolis wrote:That would be why I only managed one drunk post last night. Well, two if you count my announcement of drunkposting.

I hope your head wasn't throbbing too much this morning.
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Postby Nakena » Sun Feb 16, 2020 7:52 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Nakena wrote:
You could always try it on your own. I don't recommand going to get drunk while out.

That being said, I believe college drinking culture is mostly coming from the sudden exposure of american teenagers to all sorts of alcoholics. In other countries they are smoother introduced to it.


I'm a depressed enough person that I think I should avoid investing in alcohol in any kind of significant quantity. The fear being, if I start I might not stop.


It can go quickly. Personally to me alcohol never appealed much. Other people (or more precisely personality and biochemistry) respond differently to it.

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Postby Salus Maior » Sun Feb 16, 2020 7:53 pm

Nakena wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
I'm a depressed enough person that I think I should avoid investing in alcohol in any kind of significant quantity. The fear being, if I start I might not stop.


It can go quickly. Personally to me alcohol never appealed much. Other people (or more precisely personality and biochemistry) respond differently to it.


Eh, I don't think I'll test it either way.
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Postby Arthenius » Sun Feb 16, 2020 7:55 pm

The East Marches II wrote:
Diopolis wrote:Romantic love isn't exactly a traditional idea. Or at least, the current conception isn't.


Given the current lack of marriagable men for professional women (they won't marry down). One wonders if our upper middle class won't start resorting to arranged marriages given the break down in our normal dating system.


You could argue that a solution would be to do something that may encourage then to need to date down.

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Postby Arthenius » Sun Feb 16, 2020 7:57 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:While I do think there are some major problems in academia, the solution is not a purge, but to reform the institution. Change the environment, and the people will follow.


Yes. I agree...The problem is the infiltration of academia by subversive ideologies, not the existence of academia itself.


There is a change I might be wrong, but barring anything else, the only way I think academia (and the other areas) will be rid of subversion is if a catastrophe falls us first.

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Postby Pyrghium » Sun Feb 16, 2020 7:58 pm

Arthenius wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:
Yes. I agree...The problem is the infiltration of academia by subversive ideologies, not the existence of academia itself.


There is a change I might be wrong, but barring anything else, the only way I think academia (and the other areas) will be rid of subversion is if a catastrophe falls us first.

Yup.

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Postby Arthenius » Sun Feb 16, 2020 8:03 pm

Grahnol wrote:
Diopolis wrote:I've seen third party matchmakers become more accepted in fundamentalist religious circles. Granted they're not equivalent communities, but wanting an upgrade over granddogs is wanting an upgrade over granddogs.

Honestly sounds like a shit way to reform the whole love stuff. Then again, I don't know if lavish decadence, sexual or not, in dating is any better either
Bienenhalde wrote:
Yes. I agree...The problem is the infiltration of academia by subversive ideologies, not the existence of academia itself.

>implying academia is inherently bad in general

Seriously though, I hate how academia has become completely trashed by political influences and demagogues but academia itself isn't the problem here. Acadamia can be unbiased, more academic and professional, free of influences from outside of the thing the writings are about. The problem is academia increasingly either siding with one political current or conforming to partisans or other political influences to 'correct' their writings by putting down those blatant political influences in their papers. The best solution is for academia to be reformed so that the institution is either more hostile to political influences or become more debate-y where people from a wide variety of backgrounds, political or not, have significantly more power to criticise and change the things in academia if they believe it's blatantly corrupted by politics, both in general and politics they don't like.

Of course, I can definitely see this kind of stuff being abused by, say, the state behind the scenes by labelling their political biases as 'unpolitical truth' if it isn't implemented properly. My compromise in that case would be reforming academia so that there can be allowed a significantly higher amount of political currents in influences either in a field or a paper so that it isn't just simply one current or group of demagogues forcing others and their writings to conform with their political views for gain and so that it's harder for them to do so.


We have to see if this theoretical reformation would be peaceful or not and if it will only escalate the current state of tension between the competing worldviews.

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Postby Diopolis » Sun Feb 16, 2020 8:09 pm

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The East Marches II wrote:A post for you lads in RWDT so you might know what those in power really think. From the former National Endowment of Arts chair to the (at that time) Chair of Clinton Campaign and former Bill Clinton White House Chief of Staff. I've linked the full email so you can see if I've not context manipulated anything.




Remember, you being aware of the goings on of your government and how it works is a problem. The failure of education system is a feature not a bug.


I went the DNC Wikileaks page and typed in "Epstein" into the search bar.

These people deserve what's coming to them.

Agreed
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Postby Arthenius » Sun Feb 16, 2020 8:12 pm

Fahran wrote:Rape culture does exist on some level, but I'll concede TEM's point that guilty until proven innocent is not an approach that gives us fairness or the truth. We've had multiple high-profile accusations of sexual assault on campus that, upon further investigation, were demonstrated to be false and/or malicious. Like Emma Sulkowicz, who accused a sexual partner after he ended their sexual relationship, or the UVA accusation that shut down a bunch of fraternities, which was apparently fabricated as part of a long-term manipulation to get a guy's attention. False accusations are rare according to most studies but you don't get to destroy the innocent with that argument.


This is one of the things that are very frustrating hearing about that is driving me further to the right than I was ever before, as a man who wants to participate in dating. These things even seem to be reaching to smaller or medium-populated regions.

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Postby Diopolis » Sun Feb 16, 2020 8:13 pm

Fahran wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:You'll rarely see me drunk-post, because there's only about a ten minute window before I fall asleep.

I have posted in that state once or twice, usually very early in the morning or after "executive officer" brunch, but I usually keep my wits about me because, as a light weight, I'm prone to falling asleep in situations where my wits would evaporate. You can tell if I'm be stupidly nice or using big words apparently. Also, unnecessary tangents.

Luminesa wrote:I have never actually been drunk, only buzzed. The rumors are false and unfounded.

Where's the sacramental wine, Lumi!? I think the lady doth protest too much! :p

Diopolis wrote:That would be why I only managed one drunk post last night. Well, two if you count my announcement of drunkposting.

I hope your head wasn't throbbing too much this morning.

I don't get terrible hangovers, just an insatiable appetite for caffeine.
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Postby Fahran » Sun Feb 16, 2020 8:28 pm

Arthenius wrote:This is one of the things that are very frustrating hearing about that is driving me further to the right than I was ever before, as a man who wants to participate in dating. These things even seem to be reaching to smaller or medium-populated regions.

Date women and girls who aren't insane and this issue'll probably never arise. I'm a right-winger but I don't think my stance on this particular issue is or should be a uniquely right-wing position. Historically, it's actually been a pretty left-wing one, especially in the South when it involved unsubstantiated accusations against black men and boys. Anyhow, both of those cases fell apart because it was nakedly obvious that the women involved were lying/exaggerating and making the accusations to achieve an ulterior motive. And hurting actual survivors of sexual assault and violence in the process.

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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Sun Feb 16, 2020 8:45 pm

>all these drunk posters
Degenerates, degenerates, degenerates! None of you is free from degeneracy!
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Postby The East Marches II » Sun Feb 16, 2020 8:51 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:>all these drunk posters
Degenerates, degenerates, degenerates! None of you is free from degeneracy!


I am the purest person here :^)

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Postby Pyrghium » Sun Feb 16, 2020 8:52 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:>all these drunk posters
Degenerates, degenerates, degenerates! None of you us is free from degeneracy!

Not even you... :p

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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Sun Feb 16, 2020 8:53 pm

Pyrghium wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:>all these drunk posters
Degenerates, degenerates, degenerates! None of you us is free from degeneracy!

Not even you... :p

Name on degenerate thing I've done, anon!
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Postby The East Marches II » Sun Feb 16, 2020 8:54 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Pyrghium wrote:Not even you... :p

Name on degenerate thing I've done, anon!


You enjoy anime :^))))))

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