Right Wing Discussion Thread XIX

[Loben The 2nd]

The Windsor dynasty is repugnant. If we have the grave misfortune to have a monarchy at all, let it be anyone else.

Hapsburgs or Bust.

Give me a good Catholic Emperor.

wouldnt a catholic emperor be subservient to the pope?

[Hanafuridake]

[Nakena]

Hapsburgs or Bust.

Give me a good Catholic Emperor.

wouldnt a catholic emperor be subservient to the pope?

It's complicated.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_exclusivae

[Totally Not OEP]

So the IOPC found that police took "insufficient action" to prevent the proliferation of Pakistani grooming gangs and the systematic gang rape of non-Muslim teenage girls in Rotherham. The thirteen page report vindicates many of the claims put forward by Tommy Robinson and his ilk, documenting the cavalier attitudes of law enforcement towards the victimization of young girls, a mind-boggling combination of racism (i.e. "Paki shagging") and political correctness run amok, and a deep-rooted complicity in these heinous crimes (some law enforcement officers have been indicted as members of grooming gangs). In my estimation, this report is nothing short of damning. I know a number of right-wing and Islamophobic sources have discussed this issue since 2014 and I've been hesitant to broach the subject because of the strong emotions it elicits and the insistence of many British officials that this simply didn't happen or, if it did happen, that it was exaggerated. With official corroboration and claims that hundreds of thousands of girls may have been victimized in the worst ways imaginable, I believe it's time to discuss it and to question the toxicity of political correctness and the deep-rooted misogyny, racism, and bigotry within the British Pakistani community in the same way we might discuss the deep-rooted racism of the American South.

And by no means do I intend to target all British Muslims or all British Pakistanis in much the same way as I'm not targeting all Southerners when I speak of deep-rooted racism and social dysfunction. You can criticize the toxic aspects of culture without criticizing all the people who belong to that culture and without wishing ill on individual members of a culture. I definitely believe that pedophiles and rapists should face lengthy prison sentences at the absolute least, and, at the moment, I'm leaning towards cowardly politicians and law enforcement officials sharing cells with them.

We need a new Crusade, and for it to be directed in multiple different directions.

[Salus Maior]

Hapsburgs or Bust.

Give me a good Catholic Emperor.

wouldnt a catholic emperor be subservient to the pope?

Back in the day, Catholic Emperors had shared power with the Papacy. They could even veto Papal candidates.

[Diopolis]

wouldnt a catholic emperor be subservient to the pope?

Back in the day, Catholic Emperors had shared power with the Papacy. They could even veto Papal candidates.

Kinda not really.
Catholic Emperors were generally not subservient to the papacy- during some periods the HRE was a partial exception- but they also didn't have the ability to veto a papal candidate. The commonly told story of Emperor Franz Joseph vetoing the papal conclave until Pius X was elected is greatly exaggerated; although he did issue the veto, it was against the leading candidate at the time, not the pope-elect, and he actually came close to winning the next round of voting.

[North German Realm]

Hapsburgs or Bust.

Give me a good Catholic Emperor.

wouldnt a catholic emperor be subservient to the pope?

As a general rule of law, the Pope and the Emperor's relation isn't that easily defined. Emperors (and kings) often attempted to (with various levels of success) to interfere in the affairs of the Church (spanning from investing their own clergy to recognizing their own Pope to Veto a Cardinal's election). I mean, on paper the Emperor is still subservient to the Pope (as his entire legitimacy comes from being elected by peers and then crowned by said Pope) but you know that's not how it really works irl.

[Novus America]

Probably sooner than later.



However it wasnt unusual to have experts for the dark arts and other stuff. The Tudors had John Dee for example.

Yeah, but the bourbons executed the sorceress and imprisoned the priest. That's not exactly an example of "the house of bourbon took part in black masses on a regular basis".

And regardless that would not be the worst things they did at all.

[Hanafuridake]

All that I remember about John Dee is that he claimed to have spoken to angels and had a script that he claimed they wrote in.

[Diopolis]

All that I remember about John Dee is that he claimed to have spoken to angels and had a script that he claimed they wrote in.

He was also into swinging.

[Hanafuridake]

All that I remember about John Dee is that he claimed to have spoken to angels and had a script that he claimed they wrote in.

He was also into swinging.

Good for him.

[Novus America]

wouldnt a catholic emperor be subservient to the pope?

As a general rule of law, the Pope and the Emperor's relation isn't that easily defined. Emperors (and kings) often attempted to (with various levels of success) to interfere in the affairs of the Church (spanning from investing their own clergy to recognizing their own Pope to Veto a Cardinal's election). I mean, on paper the Emperor is still subservient to the Pope (as his entire legitimacy comes from being elected by peers and then crowned by said Pope) but you know that's not how it really works irl.

I think it is more they shared power, in theory, the Emperor supreme in worldly matters and the Pope in spiritual matters but of course in reality there was frequent conflicts.

[Diopolis]

As a general rule of law, the Pope and the Emperor's relation isn't that easily defined. Emperors (and kings) often attempted to (with various levels of success) to interfere in the affairs of the Church (spanning from investing their own clergy to recognizing their own Pope to Veto a Cardinal's election). I mean, on paper the Emperor is still subservient to the Pope (as his entire legitimacy comes from being elected by peers and then crowned by said Pope) but you know that's not how it really works irl.

I think it is more they shared power, in theory, the Emperor supreme in worldly matters and the Pope in spiritual matters but of course in reality there was frequent conflicts.

And the reality was that in spiritual matters the pope mostly won and in worldly matters the emperor mostly won.

[Nakena]

All that I remember about John Dee is that he claimed to have spoken to angels and had a script that he claimed they wrote in.

He was also into swinging.

He also advocated turning England's imperial expansion into a "British Empire", a term he is credited with coining, according to wikipedia.

[Yawkland]

All that I remember about John Dee is that he claimed to have spoken to angels and had a script that he claimed they wrote in.

He was also into swinging.

Degenerate

[Yawkland]

I always found it morbidly funny how, before the English Civil war, Cromwell, when approached about dissenting against the king, thought the idea of rebellion an afront to God.

Fast forward a few years later, he's pretty much the only guy in the whole country who wants the king dead - and is practically bullying parliament into signing his death sentence.

Made a hell of a movie too...

Interesting information!

Either way, Cromwell was a regicidal dictator and a villainous butcher, truly an evil man.

False.

[North German Realm]

Interesting information!

Either way, Cromwell was a regicidal dictator and a villainous butcher, truly an evil man.

False.

So he wasn't a regicide and a dictator? Or he wasn't a villainous butcher responsible for much of the atrocities that (at least) Ireland suffered in the era? Or are these acts not evil? I mean regicide is debatable (beyond whether any murder is evil or not)

[Salus Maior]

Interesting information!

Either way, Cromwell was a regicidal dictator and a villainous butcher, truly an evil man.

False.

Charles I did nothing wrong.

[Salus Maior]

Give me my Calvinist theocracy. Massachusetts Bay, All Day, Every Day!

Hardline Calvinist culture can't sustain itself over time. I think Massachusetts itself proves that much.

Their "city on a hill" project burnt itself off, and they ended up distancing themselves from Calvinism on their own.

[Luminesa]

I believe this might be deserving of an own thread.

Perhaps. I'll work on writing a more fleshed-out OP. I've seen a few other articles on the scandals. How long until someone rushes in to call me an Islamophobe despite my very overt Islamophilia?

I mean, what does it matter? Those aren't really the people who care much about those Pakistanis anyway, or the little girls who were abused. This is a very serious issue, and while duh, the gangs are responsible for the grooming and raping of young girls, it's the British police who condescended and tried to hand-wave the issue. It needs to be discussed and brought to the forefront, regardless of asinine comments people might make which erode productive conversation. There's a very clear difference between encouraging healthy multiculturalism and viewing certain ethnic groups as dumb dogs who can't be held as responsible for their actions. Not only is it insulting to the girls who were raped and who are not getting justice, but it's insulting to other Pakistani-Brits who do follow the law and who are considered not fully capable of doing so for...reasons.

[Deacarsia]

Hapsburgs or Bust.

Give me a good Catholic Emperor.

This.

[Deacarsia]

Hapsburgs or Bust.

Give me a good Catholic Emperor.

Give me my Calvinist theocracy. Massachusetts Bay, All Day, Every Day!

No, heretic.

[Deacarsia]

Franklin Roosevelt was a warmongering tyrant and the closest thing the US has ever had to a dictator. Change my mind.

I totally agree!

[Greater Catarapania]

Hapsburgs or Bust.

Give me a good Catholic Emperor.

wouldnt a catholic emperor be subservient to the pope?

Good point. We'd best wait until Francis kicks the bucket to execute operation "United States of Austria-Hungary."

If I'm going to be ruled by Papists, I'm going to wait until there's a more conservative Pope. I can get behind the operation as a Baptist, but only if it'll actually fix things, you know?

[Hanafuridake]

The Windsor dynasty is repugnant. If we have the grave misfortune to have a monarchy at all, let it be anyone else.

Hapsburgs or Bust.

Give me a good Catholic Emperor.

A Catholic Emperor in a country with a very strong Protestant tradition doesn't seem like it would end well.