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Kargintina the Third
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Postby Kargintina the Third » Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:37 pm

Neanderthaland wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Which is kinda the point, people cannot have their own atomic bombs due to active intervention by the state.

Which is good. We shouldn't mess with that. Some arms should be restricted.

I say this as a firm believer in the 2nd Amendment.

I can still have my recreational M249 though right?
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:38 pm

Ors Might wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:Not really.

The only problem is that we're going to have some grabbers argue that we can't have a private air force because combat aircraft didn't exist in 1787...

Ah but fully armed battle ships did exist :^] Can you say “pirates”?

Hey, piracy is illegal!

We're going privateering.
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Postby Neanderthaland » Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:38 pm

Ors Might wrote:
Neanderthaland wrote:I mean, I'd probably restrict access to other high explosives as well. That sort of thing really ought to at least require a license to handle.

And while it is true that bitches love cannons, it's probably not a great idea to let private citizens point mortars at each other, no matter how great a gift it would make for the missus.

On the contrary, we should make it mandatory that every citizen owns multiple cannons. It’s high time people learn how to settle their differences like gentle-folk.

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Postby Telconi » Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:38 pm

Neanderthaland wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Which is kinda the point, people cannot have their own atomic bombs due to active intervention by the state.

Which is good. We shouldn't mess with that. Some arms should be restricted.

I say this as a firm believer in the 2nd Amendment.


Sure, I certainly think some arms ought to be restricted, I don't think any individually operable bullet firing ones fall anywhere near reasonable restriction.
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Postby Ors Might » Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:39 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Ors Might wrote:Ah but fully armed battle ships did exist :^] Can you say “pirates”?

Hey, piracy is illegal!

We're going privateering.

In light of Disney being a dick, piracy is the only ethical way to hit the seven seas.
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Postby The Chuck » Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:39 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Ors Might wrote:Ah but fully armed battle ships did exist :^] Can you say “pirates”?

Hey, piracy is illegal!

We're going privateering.


Two Jerseys, you gotta ring me up before heading out dammit! :P
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Postby Telconi » Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:39 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Ors Might wrote:Ah but fully armed battle ships did exist :^] Can you say “pirates”?

Hey, piracy is illegal!

We're going privateering.


*Signs letter of marque*

Congrats Captain Jerseys. You're an agent of the Telconian government now.
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Postby Ors Might » Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:39 pm

Neanderthaland wrote:
Ors Might wrote:On the contrary, we should make it mandatory that every citizen owns multiple cannons. It’s high time people learn how to settle their differences like gentle-folk.

I have often wanted to give my neighbor a broadside.

Smack them up the broadside with yer broadside
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Postby Bombadil » Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:39 pm

Telconi wrote:
Bombadil wrote:
Or, alternatively, just delete it and we never talk of it again. Either way, though, it should be addressed.


Fifty yuan have been deposited in your account.


Cheers, the point is either it's unlimited access to arms for all or just delete it and regulate like any other product without the fuss over poor grammar.
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Postby Ors Might » Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:40 pm

Bombadil wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Fifty yuan have been deposited in your account.


Cheers, the point is either it's unlimited access to arms for all or just delete it and regulate like any other product without the fuss over poor grammar.

Enuff Dakka is it then
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:40 pm

Telconi wrote:
Neanderthaland wrote:Which is good. We shouldn't mess with that. Some arms should be restricted.

I say this as a firm believer in the 2nd Amendment.


Sure, I certainly think some arms ought to be restricted, I don't think any individually operable bullet firing ones fall anywhere near reasonable restriction.

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Postby Telconi » Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:40 pm

Bombadil wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Fifty yuan have been deposited in your account.


Cheers, the point is either it's unlimited access to arms for all or just delete it and regulate like any other product without the fuss over poor grammar.


That's preposterous, a right mustn't be absolute to be in force.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:41 pm

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:But we can still have our own private navy, right?

I mean, if you have the funds to be able to go up to Ingalls and slap down $250 fat bois for a Ticonderoga then sure.

Ticonderoga and Yorktown are still tied up in Philly waiting to go to the breakers...
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Postby Neanderthaland » Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:41 pm

Kargintina the Third wrote:
Neanderthaland wrote:Which is good. We shouldn't mess with that. Some arms should be restricted.

I say this as a firm believer in the 2nd Amendment.

I can still have my recreational M249 though right?

Yes, but you're only allowed to fire it from the hip.
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Postby Bombadil » Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:42 pm

Telconi wrote:
Bombadil wrote:
Cheers, the point is either it's unlimited access to arms for all or just delete it and regulate like any other product without the fuss over poor grammar.


That's preposterous, a right mustn't be absolute to be in force.


As it stands the 2nd Amendment forces that distinction. If one accepts the right to bear arms can be infringed in any way then the 2nd Amendment is obsolete.
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Postby Telconi » Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:42 pm

Kargintina the Third wrote:
Neanderthaland wrote:Which is good. We shouldn't mess with that. Some arms should be restricted.

I say this as a firm believer in the 2nd Amendment.

I can still have my recreational M249 though right?


An M79 seems like more fun.

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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:42 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:I mean, if you have the funds to be able to go up to Ingalls and slap down $250 fat bois for a Ticonderoga then sure.

Ticonderoga and Yorktown are still tied up in Philly waiting to go to the breakers...

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Postby Jack Thomas Lang » Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:43 pm

I don't think any coup will happen and it's a bunch of nonsense cooked up by the Governor, a right asshole if there ever was one. That being said, if there actually was a coup, I'd struggle not to be sympathetic.

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Postby Telconi » Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:44 pm

Bombadil wrote:
Telconi wrote:
That's preposterous, a right mustn't be absolute to be in force.


As it stands the 2nd Amendment forces that distinction. If one accepts the right to bear arms can be infringed in any way then the 2nd Amendment is obsolete.


It's possible to accept some infringement and not other, we do this with all rights. I can absolutely marry another man, I absolutely cannot marry an infant.
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Postby Neanderthaland » Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:44 pm

Telconi wrote:
Neanderthaland wrote:Which is good. We shouldn't mess with that. Some arms should be restricted.

I say this as a firm believer in the 2nd Amendment.


Sure, I certainly think some arms ought to be restricted, I don't think any individually operable bullet firing ones fall anywhere near reasonable restriction.

My 80-centimetre railway gun approves.
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Postby Nocturnes rest » Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:44 pm

The Lone Alliance wrote:
Ors Might wrote:I don’t see why they shouldn’t possess a firearm. Should they be prevented from purchasing knives? This isn’t a claim that guns and knives are just as deadly, rather that if this individual is willing to violate that restraining order to cause their spouse harm, it’s not inconceivable that they’d want to use a bladed instrument.

What's stopping them from running their spouse over when they walk out of the store?
Better take their car as well.

How often are people intentionally killed by car?

Are car murders anywhere near as high as gun murders? Even among just domestic abusers?

Also, fun fact, having a gun in a domestically violent home increases the likelihood of a murder in the home by 500%

https://ncadv.org/statistics
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1447915/

That alone is worth keeping guns out of the hands of domestic abusers, in my opinion, especially as death by domestic abuser is the seventh most common cause of premature death among women. But apparently your rights are more important than protecting people from getting killed by their intimate others.
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Postby Totally Not OEP » Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:44 pm

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Postby Telconi » Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:45 pm

Neanderthaland wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Sure, I certainly think some arms ought to be restricted, I don't think any individually operable bullet firing ones fall anywhere near reasonable restriction.

My 80-centimetre railway gun approves.


Does it only fire solid shot?
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Postby Ors Might » Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:45 pm

Nocturnes rest wrote:
The Lone Alliance wrote:What's stopping them from running their spouse over when they walk out of the store?
Better take their car as well.

How often are people intentionally killed by car?

Are car murders anywhere near as high as gun murders? Even among just domestic abusers?

Also, fun fact, having a gun in a domestically violent home increases the likelihood of a murder in the home by 500%

https://ncadv.org/statistics
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1447915/

That alone is worth keeping guns out of the hands of domestic abusers, in my opinion, especially as death by domestic abuser is the seventh most common cause of premature death among women. But apparently your rights are more important than protecting people from getting killed by their intimate others.

Protecting everyone’s rights is important, yes. You understand why allowing for the removal of rights without due process is a bad thing, yeah?
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Postby The Lone Alliance » Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:46 pm

Nocturnes rest wrote:
The Lone Alliance wrote:What's stopping them from running their spouse over when they walk out of the store?
Better take their car as well.

How often are people intentionally killed by car?

Uh you do know the Governor is supposedly mobilizing against the same people who hit someone with a car on purpose right?
And did you also miss all the ISIS people who ran people over in Europe because they didn't have guns?

And your statistic is silly, it would also be likely saying "50% of domestic abuser households without blunt instruments had less deaths by blunt instrument"

The problem is that if a person wants to kill a lot of people they will find a way.

Evil always finds a way.
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