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[Grinning Dragon]

Legal definition: the term assault weapon refers primarily to semi-automatic rifles, pistols, and shotguns that are able to accept detachable magazines and possess one or more other features.

You notice that word primarily right? That means mostly not only.

So if I get a hunting rifle with a scope and detachable magazine, it should be considered a assault weapon?

Oh, a rifle with a scope automatically becomes a military sniper rifle.

[Satuga]

Legal definition: the term assault weapon refers primarily to semi-automatic rifles, pistols, and shotguns that are able to accept detachable magazines and possess one or more other features.

You notice that word primarily right? That means mostly not only.

So if I get a hunting rifle with a scope and detachable magazine, it should be considered a assault weapon?

Apparently, personally I hate it when they take words push them together and then completely change what those two words mean together. Technically every weapon is an "assault weapon" which is why I think the term in of itself is stupid.

[Satuga]

So again, a made up classification based on cosmetics not on function.

Say what you will about the definition, but that's the legal definition.

All laws are made up.

Yeah but most laws/terms actually mean something this one doesn't.

[Ifreann]

It's in the fucking name:
Assault: make a physical attack on.
Weapon:a thing designed or used for inflicting bodily harm or physical damage.

It's just a way to classify a gun. Missiles aren't considered assault weapon, even though they are the most capable of killing us all. Whether it be ICBMs or nuclear missiles. Don't take the name litterally.

If I hit someone with a stick, would anyone call that stick an assault weapon? Probably not, even if I did use it as a weapon to commit the crime of assault.

[Grinning Dragon]

So if I get a hunting rifle with a scope and detachable magazine, it should be considered a assault weapon?

Apparently, personally I hate it when they take words push them together and then completely change what those two words mean together. Technically every weapon is an "assault weapon" which is why I think the term in of itself is stupid.

It is stupid. How a weapon looks doesn't make it any more dangerous than a slingshot and ball bearings.

[Cisairse]

Say what you will about the definition, but that's the legal definition.

All laws are made up.

Yeah but most laws/terms actually mean something this one doesn't.

Incorrect. It means exactly what it says it means.

You can disagree with the logic behind the definition, but that's still the federal legal definition.

[Satuga]

It's just a way to classify a gun. Missiles aren't considered assault weapon, even though they are the most capable of killing us all. Whether it be ICBMs or nuclear missiles. Don't take the name litterally.

If I hit someone with a stick, would anyone call that stick an assault weapon? Probably not, even if I did use it as a weapon to commit the crime of assault.

If that stick is heavy enough to be swung like a bat, is it considered a deadly weapon? In fact isnt every weapon a deadly weapon since everything has the capacity to kill? What about fist? Actually fun fact

Hands, feet, teeth, can all be considered deadly weapons.

certainly not what we would think of when we hear the term deadly weapon right?

[Satuga]

Yeah but most laws/terms actually mean something this one doesn't.

Incorrect. It means exactly what it says it means.

You can disagree with the logic behind the definition, but that's still the federal legal definition.

You can murder someone with a crossbow, a gun having more bullets in it doesn't change the lethality of the gun. What changes a guns lethality is how skilled the user is.

[Cisairse]

Incorrect. It means exactly what it says it means.

You can disagree with the logic behind the definition, but that's still the federal legal definition.

You can murder someone with a crossbow, a gun having more bullets in it doesn't change the lethality of the gun. What changes a guns lethality is how skilled the user is.

I am not disputing that.

[Holy Tedalonia]

It's just a way to classify a gun. Missiles aren't considered assault weapon, even though they are the most capable of killing us all. Whether it be ICBMs or nuclear missiles. Don't take the name litterally.

If I hit someone with a stick, would anyone call that stick an assault weapon? Probably not, even if I did use it as a weapon to commit the crime of assault.

It's a abomination of a definition. The person who created the term should be charge for word crimes

[The Emerald Legion]

It's just a way to classify a gun. Missiles aren't considered assault weapon, even though they are the most capable of killing us all. Whether it be ICBMs or nuclear missiles. Don't take the name litterally.

If I hit someone with a stick, would anyone call that stick an assault weapon? Probably not, even if I did use it as a weapon to commit the crime of assault.

Fun fact. In the good old days, one man with a walking stick could kick the asses and potentially kill two men with swords.

Sticks are fucking deadly.

[Ifreann]

So if I get a hunting rifle with a scope and detachable magazine, it should be considered a assault weapon?

Apparently, personally I hate it when they take words push them together and then completely change what those two words mean together. Technically every weapon is an "assault weapon" which is why I think the term in of itself is stupid.

I've understood the phrase as meaning "assault" in the military sense, not criminal sense. I believe that this goes back to the WWII era Sturmgewehr, literally "storm rifle". Not a magic gun that causes certain weather events, though I wouldn't be surprised if there were some Nazi scientists working on something like that, but one with which soldiers might "storm" an enemy bunker. Based on this, "assault weapon", when not more specifically defined as in the above cited laws, usually refers to military-y weapons.

[Galloism]

It's just a way to classify a gun. Missiles aren't considered assault weapon, even though they are the most capable of killing us all. Whether it be ICBMs or nuclear missiles. Don't take the name litterally.

If I hit someone with a stick, would anyone call that stick an assault weapon? Probably not, even if I did use it as a weapon to commit the crime of assault.

Sir, I'm going to need you to register that stick.

[Holy Tedalonia]

If I hit someone with a stick, would anyone call that stick an assault weapon? Probably not, even if I did use it as a weapon to commit the crime of assault.

If that stick is heavy enough to be swung like a bat, is it considered a deadly weapon? In fact isnt every weapon a deadly weapon since everything has the capacity to kill? What about fist? Actually fun fact

Hands, feet, teeth, can all be considered deadly weapons.

certainly not what we would think of when we hear the term deadly weapon right?

Yeah, but it's way to annoyingly subjective of a definition to use in any decent capacity. As one moment regulation can be loose, to incredibly harsh regulation by a simple classification change.

[Satuga]

Apparently, personally I hate it when they take words push them together and then completely change what those two words mean together. Technically every weapon is an "assault weapon" which is why I think the term in of itself is stupid.

I've understood the phrase as meaning "assault" in the military sense, not criminal sense. I believe that this goes back to the WWII era Sturmgewehr, literally "storm rifle". Not a magic gun that causes certain weather events, though I wouldn't be surprised if there were some Nazi scientists working on something like that, but one with which soldiers might "storm" an enemy bunker. Based on this, "assault weapon", when not more specifically defined as in the above cited laws, usually refers to military-y weapons.

Except storm has many other definitions:

move angrily or forcefully in a specified direction.

(of troops) suddenly attack and capture (a building or other place) by means of force.

a tumultuous reaction; an uproar or controversy.

Assault and Weapon do not have the definitions used within the legal terms for Assault Weapon, which makes it so stupid.

[Garbanzony]

Lemme just say that my comment was intended to be critical of the Californian government and gun control as a whole.

[Dogmeat]

I've understood the phrase as meaning "assault" in the military sense, not criminal sense. I believe that this goes back to the WWII era Sturmgewehr, literally "storm rifle". Not a magic gun that causes certain weather events, though I wouldn't be surprised if there were some Nazi scientists working on something like that, but one with which soldiers might "storm" an enemy bunker. Based on this, "assault weapon", when not more specifically defined as in the above cited laws, usually refers to military-y weapons.

Except storm has many other definitions:

move angrily or forcefully in a specified direction.

(of troops) suddenly attack and capture (a building or other place) by means of force.

a tumultuous reaction; an uproar or controversy.

Assault and Weapon do not have the definitions used within the legal terms for Assault Weapon, which makes it so stupid.

I mean, Assault literally is used to military jargon to describe assailing an enemy position. In exactly the same way storm is. So I'm not sure what you're on about.

[Satuga]

I mean, Assault literally is used to military jargon to describe assailing an enemy position. In exactly the same way storm is. So I'm not sure what you're on about.

Yes it is

a military attack or raid on an enemy position.

, but my point was that the definitions that accompany these words do not match with the definition of the legal term Assault Rifle.

Oh also for his comparing of assault to "military-y guns" This doesn't make any sense because you can assault a place using any weapon, in fact that's exactly what Jack Churchill did, he assaulted an enemy position with a fucking bow and arrow.

[Ifreann]

I've understood the phrase as meaning "assault" in the military sense, not criminal sense. I believe that this goes back to the WWII era Sturmgewehr, literally "storm rifle". Not a magic gun that causes certain weather events, though I wouldn't be surprised if there were some Nazi scientists working on something like that, but one with which soldiers might "storm" an enemy bunker. Based on this, "assault weapon", when not more specifically defined as in the above cited laws, usually refers to military-y weapons.

Except storm has many other definitions:

move angrily or forcefully in a specified direction.

(of troops) suddenly attack and capture (a building or other place) by means of force.

a tumultuous reaction; an uproar or controversy.

Assault and Weapon do not have the definitions used within the legal terms for Assault Weapon, which makes it so stupid.

There's not actually anything stupid about that at all. "Assault weapon" never meant "a weapon used to commit the crime of assault", so when it was defined in law it did not rely on the definition of the crime of assault, but tried to give some specificity to a previously vague idea.

[Satuga]

There's not actually anything stupid about that at all. "Assault weapon" never meant "a weapon used to commit the crime of assault", so when it was defined in law it did not rely on the definition of the crime of assault, but tried to give some specificity to a previously vague idea.

Dude im trying to tell you that the legal definition makes no sense, because they've taken two words mashed them together and then made a totally different definition that does not line up with the original definitions of the root words.

[Dogmeat]

There's not actually anything stupid about that at all. "Assault weapon" never meant "a weapon used to commit the crime of assault", so when it was defined in law it did not rely on the definition of the crime of assault, but tried to give some specificity to a previously vague idea.

Dude im trying to tell you that the legal definition makes no sense, because they've taken two words mashed them together and then made a totally different definition that does not line up with the original definitions of the root words.

Welcome to English.

[Satuga]

Dude im trying to tell you that the legal definition makes no sense, because they've taken two words mashed them together and then made a totally different definition that does not line up with the original definitions of the root words.

Welcome to English.

Yes English is in fact confusing as fuck, I know this I speak it everyday. But even then words that have root words in them carry the root definitions with them, which Assault weapon doesn't. Like Cobweb, where Cob represented the poisonous head of a spider. They always have a meaning that relates to why they're called what they are, but Assault weapon just doesn't for whatever fucking reason.

[Goldstandardstan]

Whilst assault rifle doesn't have any clear meaning in gun-related sciences/techniques whatsoever, it does in the political arena.

You can have a word that means A in one field and B in another.

[Cisairse]

Welcome to English.

Yes English is in fact confusing as fuck, I know this I speak it everyday. But even then words that have root words in them carry the root definitions with them, which Assault weapon doesn't. Like Cobweb, where Cob represented the poisonous head of a spider. They always have a meaning that relates to why they're called what they are, but Assault weapon just doesn't for whatever fucking reason.

Welcome to legal definitions.

[Satuga]

Yes English is in fact confusing as fuck, I know this I speak it everyday. But even then words that have root words in them carry the root definitions with them, which Assault weapon doesn't. Like Cobweb, where Cob represented the poisonous head of a spider. They always have a meaning that relates to why they're called what they are, but Assault weapon just doesn't for whatever fucking reason.

Welcome to legal definitions.

Yes legal definitions that should be changed in order to accurately represent, and not left vague and objective.