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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sun Jan 26, 2020 7:38 pm

Telconi wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:Remember when Obama ordered the feds to not enforce immigration laws, and the Democrats shrugged their shoulders and said "Oh well, he's the boss, gotta do what he says!"?


B-But Presidents don't have the l-legal authority t-to interpret laws!!!

Only when we think it's racist!
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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Jan 26, 2020 7:40 pm

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Telconi wrote:
B-But Presidents don't have the l-legal authority t-to interpret laws!!!


They do not.

But they do. Effectively. The president is in charge of enforcing the law. If tomorrow the president decided to not enforce a law he’s technically just interpreted the laws.

Congress can’t force the president to really do anything if he refuses to enforce anything
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Postby Galloism » Sun Jan 26, 2020 7:41 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Cisairse wrote:
They do not.

But they do. Effectively. The president is in charge of enforcing the law. If tomorrow the president decided to not enforce a law he’s technically just interpreted the laws.

Congress can’t force the president to really do anything if he refuses to enforce anything

I mean, they can impeach him.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Jan 26, 2020 7:41 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Telconi wrote:
B-But Presidents don't have the l-legal authority t-to interpret laws!!!

Only when we think it's racist!

So not gun control then.

Because gun control was never ever racist from the start, oh wait....
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Postby Telconi » Sun Jan 26, 2020 7:41 pm

Cisairse wrote:
Telconi wrote:
B-But Presidents don't have the l-legal authority t-to interpret laws!!!


They do not.


And yet we got DACA... Funny how that happened.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Jan 26, 2020 7:42 pm

Galloism wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:But they do. Effectively. The president is in charge of enforcing the law. If tomorrow the president decided to not enforce a law he’s technically just interpreted the laws.

Congress can’t force the president to really do anything if he refuses to enforce anything

I mean, they can impeach him.

Yes but if the military and federal law enforcement pledge allegiance to said president then there’s really nothing that Congress can actually do
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Postby Telconi » Sun Jan 26, 2020 7:43 pm

Galloism wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:But they do. Effectively. The president is in charge of enforcing the law. If tomorrow the president decided to not enforce a law he’s technically just interpreted the laws.

Congress can’t force the president to really do anything if he refuses to enforce anything

I mean, they can impeach him.


And the Supreme Court can tell Jackson to not be a douchenozzle...
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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Jan 26, 2020 7:44 pm

Telconi wrote:
Galloism wrote:I mean, they can impeach him.


And the Supreme Court can tell Jackson to not be a douchenozzle...

The OG “you and what army”
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sun Jan 26, 2020 7:45 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Telconi wrote:
And the Supreme Court can tell Jackson to not be a douchenozzle...

The OG “you and what army”

"Imma bust a flintlock all up in yo ass!"
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Postby Cisairse » Sun Jan 26, 2020 7:51 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Cisairse wrote:
They do not.

But they do. Effectively. The president is in charge of enforcing the law. If tomorrow the president decided to not enforce a law he’s technically just interpreted the laws.

Congress can’t force the president to really do anything if he refuses to enforce anything


Congress absolutely can mandate enforcement of statutes.
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Postby Telconi » Sun Jan 26, 2020 7:56 pm

Cisairse wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:But they do. Effectively. The president is in charge of enforcing the law. If tomorrow the president decided to not enforce a law he’s technically just interpreted the laws.

Congress can’t force the president to really do anything if he refuses to enforce anything


Congress absolutely can mandate enforcement of statutes.


How?
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sun Jan 26, 2020 7:58 pm

Telconi wrote:
Cisairse wrote:
Congress absolutely can mandate enforcement of statutes.


How?

"If you don't enforce this law, we'll pass another law ordering you to do so! Ha, us 1, you 0!"
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Postby Bromagia » Sun Jan 26, 2020 8:09 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:Only when we think it's racist!

So not gun control then.

Because gun control was never ever racist from the start, oh wait....

Right. Gun control laws continue to be institutionally racist. After all, if you institute all the background checks, licenses, registration, safe storage laws, and so on it's impossible that those laws won't disproportionately effect minority groups who are the least likely to be able to afford background checks and gun cabinets and whatever other regulation associated costs.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Jan 26, 2020 8:12 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Galloism wrote:I mean, they can impeach him.

Yes but if the military and federal law enforcement pledge allegiance to said president then there’s really nothing that Congress can actually do

Its unlikely they would and tell a majority of voters screw you.
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Postby Telconi » Sun Jan 26, 2020 8:13 pm

Bromagia wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:So not gun control then.

Because gun control was never ever racist from the start, oh wait....

Right. Gun control laws continue to be institutionally racist. After all, if you institute all the background checks, licenses, registration, safe storage laws, and so on it's impossible that those laws won't disproportionately effect minority groups who are the least likely to be able to afford background checks and gun cabinets and whatever other regulation associated costs.


Mistreating black people is a small price to pay for the mistreatment of Republicans.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sun Jan 26, 2020 8:16 pm

Telconi wrote:
Bromagia wrote:Right. Gun control laws continue to be institutionally racist. After all, if you institute all the background checks, licenses, registration, safe storage laws, and so on it's impossible that those laws won't disproportionately effect minority groups who are the least likely to be able to afford background checks and gun cabinets and whatever other regulation associated costs.


Mistreating black people is a small price to pay for the mistreatment of Republicans.

"Eh, it's not like they're gonna vote for another party or something..."
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Sun Jan 26, 2020 8:25 pm

Yundaria wrote:Not a single death.

0/10, worst white supremacist rally ever

Well the media tried their damnedest to paint it as such, seems no one bothered to believe the media.

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Postby Grinning Dragon » Sun Jan 26, 2020 8:27 pm

Yundaria wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:Well the media tried their damnedest to paint it as such, seems no one bothered to believe the media.

The media wanted violence more than anyone else.

Which brings us back to the age old question, why are those who are anti gun so violent?

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Postby Kargintina the Third » Sun Jan 26, 2020 8:28 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Yundaria wrote:The media wanted violence more than anyone else.

Which brings us back to the age old question, why are those who are anti gun so violent?

They want people disarmed because disarmed people are easier to beat up.
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Postby Telconi » Sun Jan 26, 2020 8:29 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Yundaria wrote:The media wanted violence more than anyone else.

Which brings us back to the age old question, why are those who are anti gun so violent?


Because the violent are anti-gun.
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Postby Bromagia » Sun Jan 26, 2020 8:34 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Mistreating black people is a small price to pay for the mistreatment of Republicans.

"Eh, it's not like they're gonna vote for another party or something..."

I'm convinced that if the GOP made more attempts they could easily sway a lot of the minorities that the Democrats constantly champion let always let down or oppress in one way or another. Gun control is one such wedge issue that could be leveraged to this end. Nobody needs guns more than people who are one kind of minority or other.

An example that kills me; Dems crow about "looming White Supremacy", yet they want the Jews and everyone else to have no firearms or no firearms that are effectual in large scale conflict. If the Pres is a "Nazi" and so are his supporters....wouldn't you want the minorities to be able to defend against possible pogroms?
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Postby Telconi » Sun Jan 26, 2020 8:38 pm

Bromagia wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:"Eh, it's not like they're gonna vote for another party or something..."

I'm convinced that if the GOP made more attempts they could easily sway a lot of the minorities that the Democrats constantly champion let always let down or oppress in one way or another. Gun control is one such wedge issue that could be leveraged to this end. Nobody needs guns more than people who are one kind of minority or other.

An example that kills me; Dems crow about "looming White Supremacy", yet they want the Jews and everyone else to have no firearms or no firearms that are effectual in large scale conflict. If the Pres is a "Nazi" and so are his supporters....wouldn't you want the minorities to be able to defend against possible pogroms?


Only if you care about those minorities.
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-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Sun Jan 26, 2020 8:43 pm

Telconi wrote:
Bromagia wrote:I'm convinced that if the GOP made more attempts they could easily sway a lot of the minorities that the Democrats constantly champion let always let down or oppress in one way or another. Gun control is one such wedge issue that could be leveraged to this end. Nobody needs guns more than people who are one kind of minority or other.

An example that kills me; Dems crow about "looming White Supremacy", yet they want the Jews and everyone else to have no firearms or no firearms that are effectual in large scale conflict. If the Pres is a "Nazi" and so are his supporters....wouldn't you want the minorities to be able to defend against possible pogroms?


Only if you care about those minorities.

They only care about minorities when they need to count on their vote, then it's back to fucking them over along with everyone else.
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Postby Telconi » Sun Jan 26, 2020 8:45 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Only if you care about those minorities.

They only care about minorities when they need to count on their vote, then it's back to fucking them over along with everyone else.
One thing I have noticed over the years, is the uptick in minority shooters at the ranges. When asked if they had always been into firearms, the answer is usually no and they attribute their interest after hearing from folks like Colion and Maj.


Implying they care even then, exploitation isn't care.

Yeah, it's good to see a lot of diversity amongst gun folks these days.
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-Government Overreach
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-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Sun Jan 26, 2020 8:52 pm

Telconi wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:They only care about minorities when they need to count on their vote, then it's back to fucking them over along with everyone else.
One thing I have noticed over the years, is the uptick in minority shooters at the ranges. When asked if they had always been into firearms, the answer is usually no and they attribute their interest after hearing from folks like Colion and Maj.


Implying they care even then, exploitation isn't care.

Yeah, it's good to see a lot of diversity amongst gun folks these days.

It is good to have more people embrace their enumerated rights. They even question their family's loyalty to the democrat party.

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