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Postby Bienenhalde » Wed Jan 22, 2020 12:41 pm

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New Paine wrote:dude...it's not excsluive you are right, but the methods of reporting are outrageous, "an outbreak of terrorism on american soil"

really.......someone had to check this and approve it and they DID which should speak volumes.


How is threatening a democratically elected legislature by marching around with heavy weaponry not terrorism?

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Postby Nazeroth » Wed Jan 22, 2020 12:44 pm

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Also, regardless, just because it says "opinion" doesn't give the paper a free pass to flat out publish literally fake news whenever it feels like it to sway public opinion on a matter.


Actually, if it is labeled as an opinion piece, an article can literally say anything. I actually disagree with the article as much or even more than my fellow pro-gun rights people on this thread, but I’m not going to get worked up for news outlets publishing articles LABLED AS OPINION that I don’t like. Opinion pieces are not news.


Except that its a large news agency and such opinion, pushed to the fore front, can influence people.
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Postby Bienenhalde » Wed Jan 22, 2020 12:44 pm

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Or posted a picture from a BLM rally under the header "Boko Haram Rally Underway in Anytown USA!"


I could give it more of a pass if it was some low key, not very well followed website that was fringe but this was the The philidelphia Inquier

Yes the MSM is fake as fuck and honestly, Trump is right, they are the enemy to the common people because the stuff they spout is just...totalitarian levels of propaganda.


It would be erronious to conflate the billionare gun company executives who fund the NRA or a small number of fringe extremists with guns with the common people.

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Postby Telconi » Wed Jan 22, 2020 12:45 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
Nazeroth wrote:


How is threatening a democratically elected legislature by marching around with heavy weaponry not terrorism?


Generally terrorism refers to actual violence, not the implied threat of violence.
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Wed Jan 22, 2020 12:45 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
Nazeroth wrote:


How is threatening a democratically elected legislature by marching around with heavy weaponry not terrorism?


I'd say it's safe to say that only one guy was marching around with what would be considered a "heavy Weapon", and he clearly wasn't terrorizing anyone. So that pretty much sinks you're poorly thought out narrative here...

Also daily reminder that a peaceful protest/rally ISN'T terrorism and your hurt feelings isn't justification to call it so.
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Postby Nazeroth » Wed Jan 22, 2020 12:46 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
Nazeroth wrote:


How is threatening a democratically elected legislature by marching around with heavy weaponry not terrorism?


"democratically elected"

let me educate you on something: When your the governor of a province/state in a nation and then you completley go against your entire state/province just because a single city voted you in, your probably not doing your job well, not to mention.
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Postby New Paine » Wed Jan 22, 2020 12:46 pm

Nazeroth wrote:
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Actually, if it is labeled as an opinion piece, an article can literally say anything. I actually disagree with the article as much or even more than my fellow pro-gun rights people on this thread, but I’m not going to get worked up for news outlets publishing articles LABLED AS OPINION that I don’t like. Opinion pieces are not news.


Except that its a large news agency and such opinion, pushed to the fore front, can influence people.


And right-wing and/or pro-gun opinion pieces can also influence people. We can see that right-wing “news outlets” such as the Daily Wire and Fox News has HUDGE influence on people :p
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Postby Bienenhalde » Wed Jan 22, 2020 12:48 pm

Telconi wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:
How is threatening a democratically elected legislature by marching around with heavy weaponry not terrorism?


Generally terrorism refers to actual violence, not the implied threat of violence.


Threats of violence are at the very least immoral and toxic to civil discourse, if not illegal.

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Postby Nazeroth » Wed Jan 22, 2020 12:49 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Generally terrorism refers to actual violence, not the implied threat of violence.


Threats of violence are at the very least immoral and toxic to civil discourse, if not illegal.


so at what point do we start driving black vans in front of peoples houses and snatching them in the night? I'm just curious.
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Postby The of Korea » Wed Jan 22, 2020 12:49 pm

Nazeroth wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:
How is threatening a democratically elected legislature by marching around with heavy weaponry not terrorism?


"democratically elected"

let me educate you on something: When your the governor of a province/state in a nation and then you completley go against your entire state/province just because a single city voted you in, your probably not doing your job well, not to mention.

Richmond City is less than 1/20th of Virginia's population. It was a combination of NOVA, Hampton Roads, and Richmond plus its burbs that helped Governor Northram win by an 8 point margin back in 2017.

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Postby Telconi » Wed Jan 22, 2020 12:51 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Generally terrorism refers to actual violence, not the implied threat of violence.


Threats of violence are at the very least immoral and toxic to civil discourse, if not illegal.


They're not immoral in the slightest, we're not engaged in civil discourse, and they're evidently not illegal, seeing as a picture of that fellow just got posted posing with a bunch of police officers.
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Postby Nazeroth » Wed Jan 22, 2020 12:52 pm

Telconi wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:
Threats of violence are at the very least immoral and toxic to civil discourse, if not illegal.


They're not immoral in the slightest, we're not engaged in civil discourse, and they're evidently not illegal, seeing as a picture of that fellow just got posted posing with a bunch of police officers.


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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Jan 22, 2020 12:58 pm

Big Jim P wrote:Thousands of armed 2A supporters and no shooting, no rioting and no arrests. They even cleaned up after themselves unlike some. :)

The disappointed wails of the leftists, dems and MSM are music to my ears. :rofl:

I also noted an extreme lack of antifa. I guess they don't like to play where they may end up shot. ;)

Antifa was there. Just this time they where among the protesters and not against them
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Postby Nazeroth » Wed Jan 22, 2020 12:59 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:Thousands of armed 2A supporters and no shooting, no rioting and no arrests. They even cleaned up after themselves unlike some. :)

The disappointed wails of the leftists, dems and MSM are music to my ears. :rofl:

I also noted an extreme lack of antifa. I guess they don't like to play where they may end up shot. ;)

Antifa was there. Just this time they where among the protesters and not against them


yeah, and they couldn't get away with attacking people this time either, a bit hard to show up to a 30K strong armed rally and attack conservatives.

2. Yeah, they were there in small amounts and only because they want weapons to overthrow capitalists.
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Wed Jan 22, 2020 12:59 pm

Telconi wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:
Threats of violence are at the very least immoral and toxic to civil discourse, if not illegal.


They're not immoral in the slightest, we're not engaged in civil discourse, and they're evidently not illegal, seeing as a picture of that fellow just got posted posing with a bunch of police officers.


That's also not the only pic of law enforcement either posing with rally goers or taking part in the rally itself.

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Postby Bienenhalde » Wed Jan 22, 2020 1:00 pm

Thermodolia wrote:Antifa was there. Just this time they where among the protesters and not against them


It would be nice if we could just crack down on those troublemakers and impose law and order!

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Postby Nazeroth » Wed Jan 22, 2020 1:01 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Antifa was there. Just this time they where among the protesters and not against them


It would be nice if we could just crack down on those troublemakers and impose law and order!


nah, only when they do stupid shit like hit people with bike locks or trash business, then they get locked up.
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Wed Jan 22, 2020 1:01 pm

Nazeroth wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Antifa was there. Just this time they where among the protesters and not against them


yeah, and they couldn't get away with attacking people this time either, a bit hard to show up to a 30K strong armed rally and attack conservatives.

2. Yeah, they were there in small amounts and only because they want weapons to overthrow capitalists.


Actually... despite initial reports, this may not actually be true.

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Postby Nazeroth » Wed Jan 22, 2020 1:04 pm

apparently the VA govenor is introducing a new bill that turns "harassment online" into a misdomenor

he just can't stop himself can he?
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Postby Loben The 2nd » Wed Jan 22, 2020 1:05 pm

Nazeroth wrote:apparently the VA govenor is introducing a new bill that turns "harassment online" into a misdomenor

he just can't stop himself can he?


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Postby Telconi » Wed Jan 22, 2020 1:06 pm

Nazeroth wrote:apparently the VA govenor is introducing a new bill that turns "harassment online" into a misdomenor

he just can't stop himself can he?


Bad people do bad things, this is pretty well established in history.
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Postby Nazeroth » Wed Jan 22, 2020 1:06 pm

Loben The 2nd wrote:
Nazeroth wrote:apparently the VA govenor is introducing a new bill that turns "harassment online" into a misdomenor

he just can't stop himself can he?


"t-they kept calling me a pussy!"


"harassment" i wonder how low that bar will be set...
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Postby Loben The 2nd » Wed Jan 22, 2020 1:07 pm

Nazeroth wrote:
Loben The 2nd wrote:
"t-they kept calling me a pussy!"


"harassment" i wonder how low that bar will be set...


if it somehow offends the good people of richmond, NOVA.............
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Postby Satuga » Wed Jan 22, 2020 1:07 pm

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Nazeroth wrote:
yeah, and they couldn't get away with attacking people this time either, a bit hard to show up to a 30K strong armed rally and attack conservatives.

2. Yeah, they were there in small amounts and only because they want weapons to overthrow capitalists.


Actually... despite initial reports, this may not actually be true.

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Postby Nazeroth » Wed Jan 22, 2020 1:10 pm

Satuga wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Actually... despite initial reports, this may not actually be true.

"Neo-nazis" lmao



imagine being so brainwashed that you think a 30K+ people owning guns and being peaceful and asking for freedom of speech and firearms to be "neo-nazis"

I will say this, if the democrats win, we DESERVE whatever tyranny comes.
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