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Postby Aclion » Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:24 am

Kowani wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:But they can't do that, because if the serfs become economically self-sufficient they might start voting Republican.

>The Democrats increased my economics well-being and dropped crime!
>Time to vote for the other guy!

These two statements only make sense in your head.

Actually it makes perfect sense when you look at how voting patterns and policy preferences change as income goes up. It should be obvious that someone who depends on welfare for example, will be much happier about an increase to welfare funding then someone who's income is high enough that they don't need it. So, if you increase people's economic well-being to the point they no longer qualify for public assistance you should not be surprised when people who were once dependent on public welfare programs no longer prioritize that issue, or even support cutting them.
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:25 am

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The Two Jerseys wrote:But they can't do that, because if the serfs become economically self-sufficient they might start voting Republican.

>The Democrats increased my economics well-being and dropped crime!
>Time to vote for the other guy!

These two statements only make sense in your head.


I mean. When would the Democrats increase people's economic well being and decrease crime? I think you got that one backwards.
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:32 am

San Lumen wrote:
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The lengths you are willing to go to defend a worthless position is absolutely astounding.

How am I defending a worthless position? Northam made up the threats and the state police and Richmond police decided to go along with it?

Part of The governors job is to keep the Capitol and residents of the capital city safe. Better safe turn sorry. What if these militia groups did try to storm the Capitol or shot people on the streets?

Youd say how could we have prevented this


Sorry to burst your bubble, but that's not what I'd be saying if the citizens rose up and gave the Dems the middle finger after all the blatant bullshit that they have put them through.

It would sound more like....

"Well Done."
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Postby Torisakia » Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:32 am

Now where's that guy that told me that a second civil war wouldn't happen?
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:37 am

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
San Lumen wrote:How am I defending a worthless position? Northam made up the threats and the state police and Richmond police decided to go along with it?

Part of The governors job is to keep the Capitol and residents of the capital city safe. Better safe turn sorry. What if these militia groups did try to storm the Capitol or shot people on the streets?

Youd say how could we have prevented this


Sorry to burst your bubble, but that's not what I'd be saying if the citizens rose up and gave the Dems the middle finger after all the blatant bullshit that they have put them through.

It would sound more like....

"Well Done."

So you support violence against the people of Richmond and a coup Against a lawfully and fairly elected governor and legislature? thiS is why im glad he’s taking these precautions
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Postby Ors Might » Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:40 am

San Lumen wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Sorry to burst your bubble, but that's not what I'd be saying if the citizens rose up and gave the Dems the middle finger after all the blatant bullshit that they have put them through.

It would sound more like....

"Well Done."

So you support violence against the people of Richmond and a coup
Against a lawfully and fairly elected governor and legislature? thiS is why in glad he’s taking these precautions

Because randos on the internet would be okay with the people of Virginia violently resisting the Democrat’s attempts at forcibly disarming them?
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Postby Aclion » Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:42 am

San Lumen wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:
The lengths you are willing to go to defend a worthless position is absolutely astounding.

How am I defending a worthless position? Northam made up the threats and the state police and Richmond police decided to go along with it?

Part of The governors job is to keep the Capitol and residents of the capital city safe. Better safe turn sorry. What if these militia groups did try to storm the Capitol or shot people on the streets?

Youd say how could we have prevented this

They wont. If you've ever been to a 2ndA protest you'd know how peaceful they are. For obvious reasons neither the police nor organizers nor the participants have any tolerance for nutjobs.
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:43 am

San Lumen wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Sorry to burst your bubble, but that's not what I'd be saying if the citizens rose up and gave the Dems the middle finger after all the blatant bullshit that they have put them through.

It would sound more like....

"Well Done."

So you support violence against the people of Richmond and a coup Against a lawfully and fairly elected governor and legislature? thiS is why im glad he’s taking these precautions


No, I do not support violence against "the people" of Richmond, as clearly stated. In fact, I pretty damn clearly support "the people" of VA in their movement against their tyrannical Democratic regime imposing it's clearly unwanted will upon them. You would know this had you actually fucking read what I posted instead of making some shit up in your head and responding to that per your normal SOP.

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Postby San Lumen » Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:44 am

Ors Might wrote:
San Lumen wrote:So you support violence against the people of Richmond and a coup
Against a lawfully and fairly elected governor and legislature? thiS is why in glad he’s taking these precautions

Because randos on the internet would be okay with the people of Virginia violently resisting the Democrat’s attempts at forcibly disarming them?

*Face palm

No one is proposing that!!!!

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Postby Ors Might » Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:44 am

San Lumen wrote:
Ors Might wrote:Because randos on the internet would be okay with the people of Virginia violently resisting the Democrat’s attempts at forcibly disarming them?

*Face palm

No one is proposing that!!!!

No, just literally fucking everything else they could get away with. But scummy behavior from the Dems is fine, yeah?
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:44 am

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
San Lumen wrote:So you support violence against the people of Richmond and a coup Against a lawfully and fairly elected governor and legislature? thiS is why im glad he’s taking these precautions


No, I do not support violence against "the people" of Richmond, as clearly stated. In fact, I pretty damn clearly support "the people" of VA in their movement against their tyrannical Democratic regime imposing it's clearly unwanted will upon them. You would know this had you actually fucking read what I posted instead of making some shit up in your head and responding to that per your normal SOP.

Unwanted will? They were elected in a free and fair election. The proposed laws are the will of the people.

But I forgot that a small town and someone who owns cattle should have their opinion matter more then someone from Northern Virginia.
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:45 am

San Lumen wrote:
Ors Might wrote:Because randos on the internet would be okay with the people of Virginia violently resisting the Democrat’s attempts at forcibly disarming them?

*Face palm

No one is proposing that!!!!


Except, yes, the Democrats are doing EXACTLY THAT as pointed out to you Ad nauseam already.

Fucking hell.

San Lumen wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:
No, I do not support violence against "the people" of Richmond, as clearly stated. In fact, I pretty damn clearly support "the people" of VA in their movement against their tyrannical Democratic regime imposing it's clearly unwanted will upon them. You would know this had you actually fucking read what I posted instead of making some shit up in your head and responding to that per your normal SOP.

Unwanted will? They were elected in a free and fair election. The proposed laws are the will of the people.


Elections bought out by Bloomberg as already pointed out to you. Nice to see you support corruption and outside interference in elections when it pertains to Democratic Billionaires and not allegedly Russia. Yet another stellar Pot meet Kettle moment for you.

And these proposed laws are clearly what the people want. Yup. That's why 90+% of the state is outright telling the Gov/Dems to fuck off and that they will not comply with them. Totes sounds legit. :roll:
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Postby Tarsonis » Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:50 am

San Lumen wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:
No, I do not support violence against "the people" of Richmond, as clearly stated. In fact, I pretty damn clearly support "the people" of VA in their movement against their tyrannical Democratic regime imposing it's clearly unwanted will upon them. You would know this had you actually fucking read what I posted instead of making some shit up in your head and responding to that per your normal SOP.

Unwanted will? They were elected in a free and fair election. The proposed laws are the will of the people.

But I forgot that a small town and someone who owns cattle should have their opinion matter more then someone from Northern Virginia.


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Postby San Lumen » Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:50 am

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
San Lumen wrote:*Face palm

No one is proposing that!!!!


Except, yes, the Democrats are doing EXACTLY THAT as pointed out to you Ad nauseam already.

Fucking hell.

San Lumen wrote:Unwanted will? They were elected in a free and fair election. The proposed laws are the will of the people.


Elections bought out by Bloomberg as already pointed out to you. Nice to see you support corruption and outside interference in elections when it pertains to Democratic Billionaires and not allegedly Russia. Yet another stellar Pot meet Kettle moment for you.

And these proposed laws are clearly what the people want. Yup. That's why 90+% of the state is outright telling the Gov/Dems to fuck off and that they will not comply with them. Totes sounds legit. :roll:


The people Still voted for the governor and legislature in a free and fair election.

Cattle and crops don’t vote. Your 90 percent figure is bollocks unsupported by any evidence.

Any sheriff that won’t comply should resign their office

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Postby Dogmeat » Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:51 am

Tarsonis wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Unwanted will? They were elected in a free and fair election. The proposed laws are the will of the people.

But I forgot that a small town and someone who owns cattle should have their opinion matter more then someone from Northern Virginia.


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Postby Ors Might » Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:51 am

San Lumen wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Except, yes, the Democrats are doing EXACTLY THAT as pointed out to you Ad nauseam already.

Fucking hell.



Elections bought out by Bloomberg as already pointed out to you. Nice to see you support corruption and outside interference in elections when it pertains to Democratic Billionaires and not allegedly Russia. Yet another stellar Pot meet Kettle moment for you.

And these proposed laws are clearly what the people want. Yup. That's why 90+% of the state is outright telling the Gov/Dems to fuck off and that they will not comply with them. Totes sounds legit. :roll:


The people Still voted for the governor and legislature in a free and fair election.

Cattle and crops don’t vote. Your 90 percent figure is bollocks unsupported by any evidence.

Any sheriff that won’t comply should resign their office

Any sheriff that refuses to comply with the state’s attempts to limit the rights of the people should get a raise.
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:55 am

San Lumen wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Except, yes, the Democrats are doing EXACTLY THAT as pointed out to you Ad nauseam already.

Fucking hell.



Elections bought out by Bloomberg as already pointed out to you. Nice to see you support corruption and outside interference in elections when it pertains to Democratic Billionaires and not allegedly Russia. Yet another stellar Pot meet Kettle moment for you.

And these proposed laws are clearly what the people want. Yup. That's why 90+% of the state is outright telling the Gov/Dems to fuck off and that they will not comply with them. Totes sounds legit. :roll:


The people Still voted for the governor and legislature in a free and fair election.

Cattle and crops don’t vote. Your 90 percent figure is bollocks unsupported by any evidence.

Any sheriff that won’t comply should resign their office


Actually... That's the number of counties telling the state legislature *who are reaching well beyond the measures they campaigned on and are actively restricting the measures to recall them.*

If they valued democracy, they wouldn't be making laws that prevent the populace from removing them.
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:57 am

San Lumen wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Except, yes, the Democrats are doing EXACTLY THAT as pointed out to you Ad nauseam already.

Fucking hell.



Elections bought out by Bloomberg as already pointed out to you. Nice to see you support corruption and outside interference in elections when it pertains to Democratic Billionaires and not allegedly Russia. Yet another stellar Pot meet Kettle moment for you.

And these proposed laws are clearly what the people want. Yup. That's why 90+% of the state is outright telling the Gov/Dems to fuck off and that they will not comply with them. Totes sounds legit. :roll:


The people Still voted for the governor and legislature in a free and fair election.

Cattle and crops don’t vote. Your 90 percent figure is bollocks unsupported by any evidence.

Any sheriff that won’t comply should resign their office


Just because people unknowingly took part in a rigged/corrupt election doesn't make it any less rigged.

Yes, cattle and crops don't vote. And yet again, nobody here is saying that so please, keep pushing that laughable point that just makes you look silly. As for you're claim that I don't have evidence... Not that it matters are you are just going to fucking ignore it like everything else.

As for the last bit, sure thing. Right after every Democrat leader that approved and supports illegals squatting in their cities gets removed for failing to uphold immigration laws and properly supporting law enforcement.
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Postby Tarsonis » Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:59 am

San Lumen wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
Tyranny of the majority is still tyranny

How is this a case of tyranny of the majority? The current legislature was elected on a platform of reforming gun laws among other things by getting the most votes same goes for the executive. If a sheriff or someone in a small town doesn’t respect their authority tough


Whether something is tyrannical or not is not based on weather its supported by the minority/majority. What makes it tyrannical is if its cruel and/or oppressive. The slim majority is trying to usurp he rights of the minority. That's called tyranny of the majority.
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Postby Diopolis » Thu Jan 16, 2020 9:02 am

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Diopolis wrote:Daily reminder that the US’s white firearms homicide rate isn’t being an outlier. It’s high, but not off the charts like the overall gun death rate(which is mostly suicides and a black homicide rate on par with Latin America- blacks of course owning the least guns).


I wouldn't be surprised if black firearm ownership is actually higher than whites. Legal firearm ownership is lower but think of all the illegal guns in the community that aren't registered

The legal white gun ownership rate is high enough that even with that, it’s probably still higher.
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Postby Aclion » Thu Jan 16, 2020 9:08 am

Tinfoil time. What if Northam is doing this to flip Virginia, to ensure Trump's reelection and thus an open presidential election for his to run in in 2024, two years after he hits his own term limit?

Rojava Free State wrote:
Diopolis wrote:Daily reminder that the US’s white firearms homicide rate isn’t being an outlier. It’s high, but not off the charts like the overall gun death rate(which is mostly suicides and a black homicide rate on par with Latin America- blacks of course owning the least guns).


I wouldn't be surprised if black firearm ownership is actually higher than whites. Legal firearm ownership is lower but think of all the illegal guns in the community that aren't registered

We don't have a gun registry, gun owner statistics come from surveys not a government records... -.-
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Thu Jan 16, 2020 9:10 am

Diopolis wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if black firearm ownership is actually higher than whites. Legal firearm ownership is lower but think of all the illegal guns in the community that aren't registered

The legal white gun ownership rate is high enough that even with that, it’s probably still higher.


It's worth noting that US civilians own more small arms than the Russian and Chinese Militaries combined, and control a literal third of the entire planets guns.
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Postby Diopolis » Thu Jan 16, 2020 9:19 am

Aclion wrote:Tinfoil time. What if Northam is doing this to flip Virginia, to ensure Trump's reelection and thus an open presidential election for his to run in in 2024, two years after he hits his own term limit?

Rojava Free State wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if black firearm ownership is actually higher than whites. Legal firearm ownership is lower but think of all the illegal guns in the community that aren't registered

We don't have a gun registry, gun owner statistics come from surveys not a government records... -.-

Registration is definitely a thing in certain states and minority heavy cities.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Jan 16, 2020 9:24 am

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
The people Still voted for the governor and legislature in a free and fair election.

Cattle and crops don’t vote. Your 90 percent figure is bollocks unsupported by any evidence.

Any sheriff that won’t comply should resign their office


Just because people unknowingly took part in a rigged/corrupt election doesn't make it any less rigged.

Yes, cattle and crops don't vote. And yet again, nobody here is saying that so please, keep pushing that laughable point that just makes you look silly. As for you're claim that I don't have evidence... Not that it matters are you are just going to fucking ignore it like everything else.

As for the last bit, sure thing. Right after every Democrat leader that approved and supports illegals squatting in their cities gets removed for failing to uphold immigration laws and properly supporting law enforcement.

It wasn’t a rigged election.

You sure seem to making that argument.a county doesn’t get to override state law.

Why hasn’t any mayor been arrested then?

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Postby Loben The 2nd » Thu Jan 16, 2020 9:24 am

They should move the protest to a random location tbh.

Like the governor’s mansion.
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