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Postby Ethel mermania » Thu Jan 16, 2020 4:52 am

Greed and Death wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
There is more to the State government than just the Governor.

The National guard aren't relevant Trump nationalized them and sent them to the Mideast.

So do you think the president will be packing when he addresses the rally?
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Jan 16, 2020 4:55 am

Greed and Death wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
There is more to the State government than just the Governor.

The National guard aren't relevant Trump nationalized them and sent them to the Mideast.


Sarcasm works better when what you say is actually plausible.
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Postby New Paine » Thu Jan 16, 2020 4:57 am

Jack Thomas Lang wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:Well, given that there are plenty of non-Jewish urban liberals who thumb their noses at the people they think of as peasants, there's no reason to make the correlation to Judaism beyond anti-semitism that I can think of. And since you declined to provide one, well you know what they say about ducks and hand grenades

American Jews are essentially a race of urban liberals. I can't believe that's somehow a surprise to you.


As a gun owner and a rapid supporter of the 2nd amendment, the above person doesn’t speak for me.

In fact, because the rise of anti-semitic sentiment, I would encourage more Jews to be armed.
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Postby Joohan » Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:00 am

Boogaloo, a code word by the far right to mean civil war.

#SoWoke, they see right through us guys :rofl:
If you need a witness look to yourself

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Postby Greed and Death » Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:00 am

Jack Thomas Lang wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:Well, given that there are plenty of non-Jewish urban liberals who thumb their noses at the people they think of as peasants, there's no reason to make the correlation to Judaism beyond anti-semitism that I can think of. And since you declined to provide one, well you know what they say about ducks and hand grenades

American Jews are essentially a race of urban liberals. I can't believe that's somehow a surprise to you.


The Hasdic community is far from Liberal.
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Postby New Paine » Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:03 am

Greed and Death wrote:
Jack Thomas Lang wrote:American Jews are essentially a race of urban liberals. I can't believe that's somehow a surprise to you.


The Hasdic community is far from Liberal.


Indeed. In fact, Hasidic communities are responding to the rise in anti-Semitic attacks by arming themselves. Jack just can’t help but hide his hatred of Jews.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:04 am

I think this is mostly trumped up nonsense to be used to partially or completely suppress a protest.

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Postby Ethel mermania » Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:06 am

Greed and Death wrote:
Jack Thomas Lang wrote:American Jews are essentially a race of urban liberals. I can't believe that's somehow a surprise to you.


The Hasdic community is far from Liberal.

They are a minority of jews. Just the most identifiable ones.
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Postby Jack Thomas Lang » Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:12 am

Greed and Death wrote:The Hasdic community is far from Liberal.

And they're far from being representative of the Jewish population. They make up something like 5% of the global population.
New Paine wrote:Jack just can’t help but hide his hatred of Jews.

I don't "hate" Jews. I don't feel a visceral need to mark them out as inferior or have hounded by the government or public.

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Postby New Paine » Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:16 am

Jack Thomas Lang wrote:
Greed and Death wrote:The Hasdic community is far from Liberal.

And they're far from being representative of the Jewish population. They make up something like 5% of the global population.
New Paine wrote:Jack just can’t help but hide his hatred of Jews.

I don't "hate" Jews. I don't feel a visceral need to mark them out as inferior or have hounded by the government or public.


Dude, you made a blanked statement about Jews. Own it.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:39 am

Jack Thomas Lang wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:Well, given that there are plenty of non-Jewish urban liberals who thumb their noses at the people they think of as peasants, there's no reason to make the correlation to Judaism beyond anti-semitism that I can think of. And since you declined to provide one, well you know what they say about ducks and hand grenades

American Jews are essentially a race of urban liberals. I can't believe that's somehow a surprise to you.


I mean ben shapiro exists. He's annoying as hell and only looks smart when compared to an SJW but he's definitely not an urban liberal
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Postby Rojava Free State » Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:40 am

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:I think this is mostly trumped up nonsense to be used to partially or completely suppress a protest.


Common tactic by the government. Portray people that you don't like as extremists and then oppress them while taking everyone it's for "security"
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Postby Aclion » Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:01 am

Yep. Basically an excuse to ban firearms in the capital the day gun owners are planning to protest, in other words a ban specifically targeted at an assembly because of their opposition to the governor's proposal. This is a government trying to subvert democracy in order to push through a law that 91/95 counties oppose so rabidly they have barred their law enforcement from enforcing it.
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:17 am

Aclion wrote:Yep. Basically an excuse to ban firearms in the capital the day gun owners are planning to protest, in other words a ban specifically targeted at an assembly because of their opposition to the governor's proposal. This is a government trying to subvert democracy in order to push through a law that 91/95 counties oppose so rabidly they have barred their law enforcement from enforcing it.


You need guns to hold a peaceful protest?
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Postby Aclion » Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:34 am

Vassenor wrote:
Aclion wrote:Yep. Basically an excuse to ban firearms in the capital the day gun owners are planning to protest, in other words a ban specifically targeted at an assembly because of their opposition to the governor's proposal. This is a government trying to subvert democracy in order to push through a law that 91/95 counties oppose so rabidly they have barred their law enforcement from enforcing it.


You need guns to hold a peaceful protest?

The protest includes open carrying as an identifying symbol of protest. This is equivalent to passing an anti mask law ahead of a Guy Fawkes mask protest.
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:37 am

Aclion wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
You need guns to hold a peaceful protest?

The protest includes open carrying as an identifying symbol of protest. This is equivalent to passing an anti mask law ahead of a Guy Fawkes mask protest.


How does a gun hide your identity?
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Postby Resarkia » Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:40 am

Virigina just passed the ERA as well.

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Postby Ors Might » Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:42 am

Vassenor wrote:
Aclion wrote:The protest includes open carrying as an identifying symbol of protest. This is equivalent to passing an anti mask law ahead of a Guy Fawkes mask protest.


How does a gun hide your identity?

You’re more than capable of understanding that wasn’t the point of what they were saying, Vass.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:12 am

Vassenor wrote:
Aclion wrote:The protest includes open carrying as an identifying symbol of protest. This is equivalent to passing an anti mask law ahead of a Guy Fawkes mask protest.


How does a gun hide your identity?


That's not the point
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Postby Diopolis » Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:25 am

Telconi wrote:
The Lone Alliance wrote:I did finally find something about gun violence and economic inequality that shows that a far more effective way of gun control would be to simply reduce income inequality to the point that less people commit suicide, murder, or other crimes of necessity.

https://zachmortensen.net/2018/02/20/yo ... -one-will/

And their solution is to reduce income inequality to reduce the causes for gun violence....

That sounds pretty leftist right?

Boom.

You don't have to ban guns


While I certainly have issues with the stated objective, I would agree that improving people's lot in life and thus reducing the desire to commit violence is certainly a superior alternative to ham-fisted gun bans.

Daily reminder that the US’s white firearms homicide rate isn’t being an outlier. It’s high, but not off the charts like the overall gun death rate(which is mostly suicides and a black homicide rate on par with Latin America- blacks of course owning the least guns).
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:38 am

Crockerland wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Looks like terrorists to me.

The governor and his cronies? You're totally right, I hope they will be arrested for trying to subvert the constitution and enforce state terror against their own people.

That’s not what they are doing. The governor wants to prevent a repeat of Unite the Right. Whose going to arrest him?

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Postby San Lumen » Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:46 am

Tarsonis wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Dirt and crops don’t vote


Tyranny of the majority is still tyranny

How is this a case of tyranny of the majority? The current legislature was elected on a platform of reforming gun laws among other things by getting the most votes same goes for the executive. If a sheriff or someone in a small town doesn’t respect their authority tough

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Postby The Emerald Legion » Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:52 am

San Lumen wrote:
Crockerland wrote:The governor and his cronies? You're totally right, I hope they will be arrested for trying to subvert the constitution and enforce state terror against their own people.

That’s not what they are doing. The governor wants to prevent a repeat of Unite the Right. Whose going to arrest him?


Which is unconstitutional. The people have a right to peaceably assemble. This isn't Europe.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:57 am

San Lumen wrote:
Crockerland wrote:The governor and his cronies? You're totally right, I hope they will be arrested for trying to subvert the constitution and enforce state terror against their own people.

That’s not what they are doing. The governor wants to prevent a repeat of Unite the Right. Whose going to arrest him?


No, he's trying to silence opposition to his ideas. Unite the right was a bunch of nazis, whereas he's worried about someone having a peaceful rally

His motivations are the same as those of a gang of antifa rats
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:57 am

The Emerald Legion wrote:
San Lumen wrote:That’s not what they are doing. The governor wants to prevent a repeat of Unite the Right. Whose going to arrest him?


Which is unconstitutional. The people have a right to peaceably assemble. This isn't Europe.

No one is stopping them from protesting. All the Governor is doing is taking steps that it doesn’t turn into another Unite the Right. Northam is within his rights and doing nothing illegal

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