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Diopolis
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Postby Diopolis » Wed Jan 15, 2020 5:36 pm

San Lumen wrote:
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Good luck doing that when law enforcement is also ignoring the laws lol

Then they should resign or be fired

So you agree that state governments who refuse to enforce federal marijuana laws should resign or be fired?
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Postby Albrenia » Wed Jan 15, 2020 5:36 pm

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Albrenia wrote:
That's against the structure of democracy, though, unless you want a democracy where the threat of death and violence is used to push agendas you don't like as well.

I mean, de facto that happens with antifa already, even if it's not very common at the moment.


Hence why I'm against them. Violent protest is for use against actual tyranny, but not against fair-ish democracies when they don't go your way.

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Postby Telconi » Wed Jan 15, 2020 5:37 pm

San Lumen wrote:
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With any luck people in every state will begin simply disregarding them. Truly the greatest thing the Democrats ever did was introducing the concept of sanctuary areas where you simply ignore laws you don't like.

And they can face jail time for disobeying the law


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Postby The Lone Alliance » Wed Jan 15, 2020 5:37 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Good luck doing that when law enforcement is also ignoring the laws lol

Then they should resign or be fired

If the majority of a community decides to ignore a law who are you to argue with the will of the majority?

Or does Majority only matter when it's something you agree on?
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Postby Valrifell » Wed Jan 15, 2020 5:37 pm

San Lumen wrote:
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So, you agree then that Democratic leaders supporting Sanctuary Cities should be jailed for disobeying the laws and deliberately failing to cooperate with law enforcement agencies in performance of their duties.

Nice.

Why has no mayor been arrested then?


They don't have to aid enforcement with enforcing ordinances above their jurisdiction.
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Postby Diopolis » Wed Jan 15, 2020 5:37 pm

Albrenia wrote:
Diopolis wrote:I mean, de facto that happens with antifa already, even if it's not very common at the moment.


Hence why I'm against them. Violent protest is for use against actual tyranny, but not against fair-ish democracies when they don't go your way.

I more or less agree, with the caveat that democracies are not inherently fair-ish any more than any other government.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Wed Jan 15, 2020 5:37 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:And they can face jail time for disobeying the law


~Jebediah Lumen, describing those damned criminals in league with Harriet Tubman. c. 1852

Daily reminder that Rosa Parks was a criminal.
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Postby Valrifell » Wed Jan 15, 2020 5:38 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Telconi wrote:
~Jebediah Lumen, describing those damned criminals in league with Harriet Tubman. c. 1852

Daily reminder that Rosa Parks was a criminal.


The Civil Rights movement and the guns rights folks aren't comparable.
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Postby Telconi » Wed Jan 15, 2020 5:38 pm

Albrenia wrote:
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Or you threaten to hurt them until they screw off?


That's against the structure of democracy, though, unless you want a democracy where the threat of death and violence is used to push agendas you don't like as well.


Why would I want a democracy? I'm in the political minority
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Postby The Lone Alliance » Wed Jan 15, 2020 5:39 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Telconi wrote:
~Jebediah Lumen, describing those damned criminals in league with Harriet Tubman. c. 1852

Daily reminder that Rosa Parks was a criminal.

The majority agreed on back of the bus so it's right.
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Postby Diopolis » Wed Jan 15, 2020 5:39 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:
So, you agree then that Democratic leaders supporting Sanctuary Cities should be jailed for disobeying the laws and deliberately failing to cooperate with law enforcement agencies in performance of their duties.

Nice.

Why has no mayor been arrested then?

The same reason why county sheriffs who refuse to enforce idiotic gun laws haven't been arrested.
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Postby Telconi » Wed Jan 15, 2020 5:39 pm

Valrifell wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:Daily reminder that Rosa Parks was a criminal.


The Civil Rights movement and the guns rights folks aren't comparable.


A categorical difference isn't created just because you dislike this particular human right.
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-Government Overreach
-Government Surveillance
-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

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Postby Diopolis » Wed Jan 15, 2020 5:39 pm

Valrifell wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:Daily reminder that Rosa Parks was a criminal.


The Civil Rights movement and the guns rights folks aren't comparable.

Why not?
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Postby The Lone Alliance » Wed Jan 15, 2020 5:40 pm

Valrifell wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:Daily reminder that Rosa Parks was a criminal.


The Civil Rights movement and the guns rights folks aren't comparable.

It was when the first gun control laws were put in place to punish Minorities.
Can't have those black people owning guns might cause some accidents when the KKK shows up to lynch them.

No really Valrifell, the first gun control laws were really put in place to try to keep minorities from owning guns to protect themselves from racists.
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Postby Valrifell » Wed Jan 15, 2020 5:40 pm

Telconi wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
The Civil Rights movement and the guns rights folks aren't comparable.


A categorical difference isn't created just because you dislike this particular human right.


The CRM folk were fighting to gain rights, the gun rights folks are fighting against rights being removed. They're fundamentally different movements with different goals.
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Postby Albrenia » Wed Jan 15, 2020 5:40 pm

Telconi wrote:
Albrenia wrote:
That's against the structure of democracy, though, unless you want a democracy where the threat of death and violence is used to push agendas you don't like as well.


Why would I want a democracy? I'm in the political minority


Oh... er... ok then.

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Postby Diopolis » Wed Jan 15, 2020 5:40 pm

Telconi wrote:
Albrenia wrote:
That's against the structure of democracy, though, unless you want a democracy where the threat of death and violence is used to push agendas you don't like as well.


Why would I want a democracy? I'm in the political minority

I mean, globally, constitutional monarchies have the best track record of coming close to your views on guns, although still not terribly great.
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Postby Salandriagado » Wed Jan 15, 2020 5:40 pm

Ah, all the domestic terrorists are going to get themselves felony convictions so they can never own weapons again? Excellent.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Jan 15, 2020 5:41 pm

Diopolis wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
The Civil Rights movement and the guns rights folks aren't comparable.

Why not?

Because the second amendment isn’t absolute and you don’t have a right to launch a coup against a freely and fairly elected legislature and executive

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Postby The East Marches II » Wed Jan 15, 2020 5:41 pm

Valrifell wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:Daily reminder that Rosa Parks was a criminal.


The Civil Rights movement and the guns rights folks aren't comparable.


I'll be sure to remind the illegally disarmed people of color of Chicago about that :^)

It was the gun rights folks who set that right. I wonder why our brave leftists set up a system that banned most blacks from conceal carrying. It really makes me have a big think!

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Postby Valrifell » Wed Jan 15, 2020 5:41 pm

The Lone Alliance wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
The Civil Rights movement and the guns rights folks aren't comparable.

It was when the first gun control laws were put in place to punish Minorities.
Can't have those black people owning guns might cause some accidents when the KKK shows up to lynch them.


An argument on par with "the Democrats are racists because they loved slavery in the antebellum!"
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Postby Diopolis » Wed Jan 15, 2020 5:42 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Diopolis wrote:Why not?

Because the second amendment isn’t absolute and you don’t have a right to launch a coup against a freely and fairly elected legislature and executive

And the civil rights movement didn't launch a coup either.
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Postby Telconi » Wed Jan 15, 2020 5:42 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Diopolis wrote:Why not?

Because the second amendment isn’t absolute and you don’t have a right to launch a coup against a freely and fairly elected legislature and executive


Rights for blacks weren't absolute, and you don't have a right to impede municipal bus service.
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-Government Overreach
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-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

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Postby The East Marches II » Wed Jan 15, 2020 5:42 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Diopolis wrote:Why not?

Because the second amendment isn’t absolute and you don’t have a right to launch a coup against a freely and fairly elected legislature and executive


You mean hold a protest? There has been no actual proof of any such threats. You take the word of a man who wears either black face or a KKK outfit at face value now?

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Jan 15, 2020 5:42 pm

Salandriagado wrote:Ah, all the domestic terrorists are going to get themselves felony convictions so they can never own weapons again? Excellent.


Probably not what's going to happen, no.
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