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Postby The Emerald Legion » Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:28 am

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Can we at least consider the possibility that he would be less inclined to do so if he could just own his own private army? I think this would be a net plus for America and thus I now support the decriminalization of tanks.

Would love it when tank rage starts.


Already happens. Look up the Killdozer incident.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:29 am

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True, it would be quite difficult to win a fair fight with a tank using only those weapons not banned by unconstitutional legislation.

which is why every form of military hardware, up to and including tanks, planes, and warships should be legal for US civilians to own.

"I want to be oppressed by the rich, not the government"


who do you think controls the government
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:31 am

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Necroghastia wrote:Why do we have to counter them?

Do you think that the government can, at some point in the future, become tyrannical?

The US Government already is.
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Postby Gormwood » Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:31 am

The Emerald Legion wrote:
Gormwood wrote:Would love it when tank rage starts.


Already happens. Look up the Killdozer incident.

Killdozer had a turret mounted cannon? But wouldn't surprise me you find legalized tanks fine, probably love being the one guy cops can't stop no matter how hard they try.
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:31 am

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Is there a difference?

Like anyone wanting fascism or feudalism back, you're assuming you'll automatically be part of the in crowd if not inner circle.

At the current point there really isn’t any difference between the rich and the government. Especially when it comes to the judicial system. The rich are protected quite well by the government which they also effectively control
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Postby Ors Might » Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:32 am

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Already happens. Look up the Killdozer incident.

Killdozer had a turret mounted cannon? But wouldn't surprise me you find legalized tanks fine, probably love being the one guy cops can't stop no matter how hard they try.

Bro, tanks aren’t invincible by any means.
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Postby Gormwood » Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:32 am

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Ifreann wrote:"I want to be oppressed by the rich, not the government"


who do you think controls the government

"But these rich people are on my side!"
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:34 am

Ors Might wrote:
Gormwood wrote:Killdozer had a turret mounted cannon? But wouldn't surprise me you find legalized tanks fine, probably love being the one guy cops can't stop no matter how hard they try.

Bro, tanks aren’t invincible by any means.

Tank traps are wonderful things
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:36 am

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Millions of Americans can't afford a Jeep Wrangler.


And? Doesn't disprove my point that such things are not outside peoples ability to purchase, if they choose to do so.

Explain to me how someone who is not able to afford a $40,000 Jeep Wrangler is able to afford a >$50,000 T-72. I'm neither a mathematician nor an economist, but I think that when you can't afford something, you also can't afford more expensive things.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:37 am

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And? Doesn't disprove my point that such things are not outside peoples ability to purchase, if they choose to do so.

Explain to me how someone who is not able to afford a $40,000 Jeep Wrangler is able to afford a >$50,000 T-72.


the same way people who can't afford a $40,000 Jeep Wrangler but buy a $100,000 RV:

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Postby Cantelo » Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:39 am

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Ifreann wrote:Explain to me how someone who is not able to afford a $40,000 Jeep Wrangler is able to afford a >$50,000 T-72.


the same way people who can't afford a $40,000 Jeep Wrangler but buy a $100,000 RV:

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Postby Bear Stearns » Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:39 am

Cantelo wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
the same way people who can't afford a $40,000 Jeep Wrangler but buy a $100,000 RV:

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Hurray for tens of thousands of dollars of debt on what will be the world's most expensive lawn ornament!


that's consumerism for ya
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Postby Gormwood » Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:41 am

Bear Stearns wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Explain to me how someone who is not able to afford a $40,000 Jeep Wrangler is able to afford a >$50,000 T-72.


the same way people who can't afford a $40,000 Jeep Wrangler but buy a $100,000 RV:

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Oh hey, more loans with onerous interest. The American Dream!
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Postby Ors Might » Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:41 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Ors Might wrote:Bro, tanks aren’t invincible by any means.

Tank traps are wonderful things

Indeed, comrade, indeed.

Plus there’s that whole thing where you probably can’t live in a tank forever and they aren’t exactly great for a clean get away. Gorm’s fears of bank robbers riding off into the sunset with nuclear powered tanks are unfounded.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:45 am

Gormwood wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
the same way people who can't afford a $40,000 Jeep Wrangler but buy a $100,000 RV:

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Oh hey, more loans with onerous interest. The American Dream!


the people who make these stupid financial decisions are getting an interest rate commensurate to how risky of a borrower they are. A person who takes out a loan to buy an overly expensive vehicle they don't need is probably bad with money, so lenders will charge a high interest rate to ensure they at least get some money back.
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Postby Gormwood » Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:46 am

Bear Stearns wrote:
Gormwood wrote:Oh hey, more loans with onerous interest. The American Dream!


the people who make these stupid financial decisions are getting an interest rate commensurate to how risky of a borrower they are. A person who takes out a loan to buy an overly expensive vehicle they don't need is probably bad with money, so lenders will charge a high interest rate to ensure they at least get some money back.

So how much do you get in kickbacks?
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Postby Ors Might » Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:46 am

I think we’re all missing an easy solution.

We subsidize the hell out of the civilian tank industry. Who’s with me?
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Postby Bear Stearns » Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:46 am

Gormwood wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
the people who make these stupid financial decisions are getting an interest rate commensurate to how risky of a borrower they are. A person who takes out a loan to buy an overly expensive vehicle they don't need is probably bad with money, so lenders will charge a high interest rate to ensure they at least get some money back.

So how much do you get in kickbacks?


kickbacks for what? I'm not an auto lender
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:47 am

Gormwood wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
the people who make these stupid financial decisions are getting an interest rate commensurate to how risky of a borrower they are. A person who takes out a loan to buy an overly expensive vehicle they don't need is probably bad with money, so lenders will charge a high interest rate to ensure they at least get some money back.

So how much do you get in kickbacks?

Enough to buy a T72 tank.
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Postby Pax Nerdvana » Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:47 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Ors Might wrote:Bro, tanks aren’t invincible by any means.

Tank traps are wonderful things

As are dense forests and swamps.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:48 am

Ors Might wrote:I think we’re all missing an easy solution.

We subsidize the hell out of the civilian tank industry. Who’s with me?

Hmm, a tank in every garage. I like it.

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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:48 am

Gormwood wrote:
The Emerald Legion wrote:
Already happens. Look up the Killdozer incident.

Killdozer had a turret mounted cannon? But wouldn't surprise me you find legalized tanks fine, probably love being the one guy cops can't stop no matter how hard they try.


No, but he did have reinforced concrete cab able to shrug off everything the police threw at him that had (if I remember correctly) a .50cal, Mini 14, and I believe a 308 mounted to it.

Now the M60 Patton that was stolen from an armory on the other hand in Ca State.....

Bear Stearns wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Explain to me how someone who is not able to afford a $40,000 Jeep Wrangler is able to afford a >$50,000 T-72.


the same way people who can't afford a $40,000 Jeep Wrangler but buy a $100,000 RV:

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Nailed it, thank you.
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Postby Pax Nerdvana » Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:50 am

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Ors Might wrote:I think we’re all missing an easy solution.

We subsidize the hell out of the civilian tank industry. Who’s with me?

Hmm, a tank in every garage. I like it.

And a howitzer on every lawn.
Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Gormwood wrote:Killdozer had a turret mounted cannon? But wouldn't surprise me you find legalized tanks fine, probably love being the one guy cops can't stop no matter how hard they try.


No, but he did have reinforced concrete cab able to shrug off everything the police threw at him that had (if I remember correctly) a .50cal, Mini 14, and I believe a 308 mounted to it.

Now the M60 Patton that was stolen from an armory on the other hand in Ca State.....

I read about that somewhere. I know Killdozer was only stopped because he fell into a basement. Basements are tank traps.
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:51 am

Pax Nerdvana wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:Hmm, a tank in every garage. I like it.

And a howitzer on every lawn.
Paddy O Fernature wrote:
No, but he did have reinforced concrete cab able to shrug off everything the police threw at him that had (if I remember correctly) a .50cal, Mini 14, and I believe a 308 mounted to it.

Now the M60 Patton that was stolen from an armory on the other hand in Ca State.....

I read about that somewhere. I know Killdozer was only stopped because he fell into a basement. Basements are tank traps.

A tank in every garage, a howitzer on every lawn, and a rifle in every hand. 8)
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:52 am

Pax Nerdvana wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:Hmm, a tank in every garage. I like it.

And a howitzer on every lawn.
Paddy O Fernature wrote:
No, but he did have reinforced concrete cab able to shrug off everything the police threw at him that had (if I remember correctly) a .50cal, Mini 14, and I believe a 308 mounted to it.

Now the M60 Patton that was stolen from an armory on the other hand in Ca State.....

I read about that somewhere. I know Killdozer was only stopped because he fell into a basement. Basements are tank traps.


Yup.

Funny enough, the M60 got high centered on a concrete road divider allowing it to get zerg rushed by PD who pretty much just mag dumped into every available port thus killing the guy driving it.

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