Virginia declares emergency Militias threaten to seize Gov.

[Ors Might]

Move those goalposts back.

Besides, whataboutism is an admission of guilt anyway.

1. I never said that Europe is an anarchist paradise, I just assumed that Gallo was implying that America with its gun rights is somehow less oppressed.

2. Guilty of what? Logic?

1. Well we are but not because of gun rights. We’re freer on our speech laws.

2. Excusing your oppression because another country also has oppression is an admittance of oppression.

[Galloism]

The criminals also get a "tool of aid". It's a common myth among gun advocates that criminals all have access to high-end illegal arms dealers and so the law-abiding citizen needs a gun to protect themselves with.

Criminals, agents of the state, the citizens need protection against both, really.

Incidentally, speaking of those criminals...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/ ... ms-into-uk

Another senior law enforcement official said that “new and clean” weapons were now being used in the majority of shootings, as opposed to guns once being so difficult to obtain that they would be “rented out” to be used in multiple crimes.

Cooke, the Merseyside chief constable, told the Guardian: “We in law enforcement expect the rise in new firearms to continue. We are doing all we can. We are not in a position to stop it anytime soon.

“Law enforcement is more joined up now than before, but the scale of the problem is such that despite a number of excellent firearms seizures, I expect the rise in supply to be a continuing issue.”

The increasing supply of guns is a result of problems with UK border security and innovations by organised crime gangs. Smugglers have increasingly found new ways and innovative routes to get guns past border defences.

Cooke said more are coming in from eastern Europe and the western Balkans and also component pieces are being smuggled in via the fast parcel system, hidden among a growth in packages because of the explosion of internet shopping.

Guns are being bought on the dark web and the UK is also seeing weapons designed for sports shooting being smuggled in, as well as blank firing weapons bought for just £100 being converted in the UK. Criminals have also obtained high end automatic weapons such as an AK47.

Cooke said that the dynamics of the streets of British cities had changed and that criminals were more willing to use guns: “If they bring them in people will buy them. It’s a kudos thing for organised criminals.”

He said said one factor was a reduction in police proactive work because of government budget cuts leading to big falls in officer numbers: “The ability of law enforcement to respond to this rise in the criminal use of firearms has been hampered by the large reduction in police officers and the resultant diminishing of proactive capability to keep these criminals on the back foot.”

Simon Brough, head of firearms at the NCA, said: “The majority of guns being used are new, clean firearms ... which indicates a relatively fluid supply.”

Criminals get the guns anyway. You're only disarming the innocent.

And that's the UK - an island surrounded by water.

[SD_Film Artists]

1. I never said that Europe is an anarchist paradise, I just assumed that Gallo was implying that America with its gun rights is somehow less oppressed.

We are, because of gun rights, and free speech rights - neither of which you have like we do.

Not that we don't have problems, but we're certainly less oppressed than you.

With chlorinated chicken and pay-per-ambulance, I'll gladly stay in Europe thanks. Not that I dislike America; overall it's a good country and we're better having it in the world, but I don't feel the need to be liberated either.

[Galloism]

We are, because of gun rights, and free speech rights - neither of which you have like we do.

Not that we don't have problems, but we're certainly less oppressed than you.

With chlorinated chicken and pay-per-ambulance, I'll gladly stay in Europe thanks. Not that I dislike America; overall it's a good country and we're better having it in the world, but I don't feel the need to be liberated either.

Many have chosen to give up essential liberty for temporary safety. They generally lose both in the end.

Some smart guy talked about that.

[Loben The 2nd]

With chlorinated chicken and pay-per-ambulance, I'll gladly stay in Europe thanks. Not that I dislike America; overall it's a good country and we're better having it in the world, but I don't feel the need to be liberated either.

Many have chosen to give up essential liberty for temporary safety. They generally lose both in the end.

Some smart guy talked about that.

and how they dont deserve either.

[SD_Film Artists]

1. I never said that Europe is an anarchist paradise, I just assumed that Gallo was implying that America with its gun rights is somehow less oppressed.

2. Guilty of what? Logic?

1. Well we are but not because of gun rights. We’re freer on our speech laws.

2. Excusing your oppression because another country also has oppression is an admittance of oppression.

I was making the point that becoming a new state of America isn't going to make me feel less oppressed, so yes talking about America is relevant. Yes Europe/UK also has some 'nanny state' policies. I never denied that.

[Tarsonis]

We are, because of gun rights, and free speech rights - neither of which you have like we do.

Not that we don't have problems, but we're certainly less oppressed than you.

With chlorinated chicken and pay-per-ambulance, I'll gladly stay in Europe thanks. Not that I dislike America; overall it's a good country and we're better having it in the world, but I don't feel the need to be liberated either.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-47440562

Even your government admits there's no safety issue with the chicken.

[Ors Might]

Criminals, agents of the state, the citizens need protection against both, really.

Incidentally, speaking of those criminals...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/ ... ms-into-uk

Another senior law enforcement official said that “new and clean” weapons were now being used in the majority of shootings, as opposed to guns once being so difficult to obtain that they would be “rented out” to be used in multiple crimes.

Cooke, the Merseyside chief constable, told the Guardian: “We in law enforcement expect the rise in new firearms to continue. We are doing all we can. We are not in a position to stop it anytime soon.

“Law enforcement is more joined up now than before, but the scale of the problem is such that despite a number of excellent firearms seizures, I expect the rise in supply to be a continuing issue.”

The increasing supply of guns is a result of problems with UK border security and innovations by organised crime gangs. Smugglers have increasingly found new ways and innovative routes to get guns past border defences.

Cooke said more are coming in from eastern Europe and the western Balkans and also component pieces are being smuggled in via the fast parcel system, hidden among a growth in packages because of the explosion of internet shopping.

Guns are being bought on the dark web and the UK is also seeing weapons designed for sports shooting being smuggled in, as well as blank firing weapons bought for just £100 being converted in the UK. Criminals have also obtained high end automatic weapons such as an AK47.

Cooke said that the dynamics of the streets of British cities had changed and that criminals were more willing to use guns: “If they bring them in people will buy them. It’s a kudos thing for organised criminals.”

He said said one factor was a reduction in police proactive work because of government budget cuts leading to big falls in officer numbers: “The ability of law enforcement to respond to this rise in the criminal use of firearms has been hampered by the large reduction in police officers and the resultant diminishing of proactive capability to keep these criminals on the back foot.”

Simon Brough, head of firearms at the NCA, said: “The majority of guns being used are new, clean firearms ... which indicates a relatively fluid supply.”

Criminals get the guns anyway. You're only disarming the innocent.

And that's the UK - an island surrounded by water.

I like how previously criminals had to rent out guns. That’s really fucking funny to me for some reason.

[Tarsonis]

1. Well we are but not because of gun rights. We’re freer on our speech laws.

2. Excusing your oppression because another country also has oppression is an admittance of oppression.

I was making the point that becoming a new state of America isn't going to make me feel less oppressed, so yes talking about America is relevant. Yes Europe/UK also has some 'nanny state' policies. I never denied that.

Which state are we talking about here?

[Galloism]

1. Well we are but not because of gun rights. We’re freer on our speech laws.

2. Excusing your oppression because another country also has oppression is an admittance of oppression.

I was making the point that becoming a new state of America isn't going to make me feel less oppressed. Yes Europe/UK also has some 'nanny state' policies.

And you arrest people for teaching dogs to heil hitler - something even the actual Nazis thought was too ridiculous to pursue after a while (yes, really - there's historical precedent there).

[Dogmeat]

With chlorinated chicken and pay-per-ambulance, I'll gladly stay in Europe thanks. Not that I dislike America; overall it's a good country and we're better having it in the world, but I don't feel the need to be liberated either.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-47440562

Even your government admits there's no safety issue with the chicken.

But chemicals BAD!

[Ors Might]

1. Well we are but not because of gun rights. We’re freer on our speech laws.

2. Excusing your oppression because another country also has oppression is an admittance of oppression.

I was making the point that becoming a new state of America isn't going to make me feel less oppressed, so yes talking about America is relevant. Yes Europe/UK also has some 'nanny state' policies. I never denied that.

Tbf, we don’t really want to add European nations as new states. We kinda feel about y’all the same way y’all feel about us. We like the distance between our extended family.

[Tarsonis]

Incidentally, speaking of those criminals...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/ ... ms-into-uk



Criminals get the guns anyway. You're only disarming the innocent.

And that's the UK - an island surrounded by water.

I like how previously criminals had to rent out guns. That’s really fucking funny to me for some reason.

If you get the Insurance you can pretty much do whatever you want to it

[Loben The 2nd]

I was making the point that becoming a new state of America isn't going to make me feel less oppressed, so yes talking about America is relevant. Yes Europe/UK also has some 'nanny state' policies. I never denied that.

Tbf, we don’t really want to add European nations as new states. We kinda feel about y’all the same way y’all feel about us. We like the distance between our extended family.

extended family?

yea, cut them off.

[Tarsonis]

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-47440562

Even your government admits there's no safety issue with the chicken.

But chemicals BAD!

Need those stims to survive the wasteland

[Ors Might]

I like how previously criminals had to rent out guns. That’s really fucking funny to me for some reason.

If you get the Insurance you can pretty much do whatever you want to it

There’s a delicious irony in a loan shark or protection racketeer buying insurance from other criminals.

Tbf, we don’t really want to add European nations as new states. We kinda feel about y’all the same way y’all feel about us. We like the distance between our extended family.

extended family?

yea, cut them off.

There’s a reason why we never invite them over for Thanksgiving or Christmas.

[Paddy O Fernature]

I was making the point that becoming a new state of America isn't going to make me feel less oppressed. Yes Europe/UK also has some 'nanny state' policies.

And you arrest people for teaching dogs to heil hitler - something even the actual Nazis thought was too ridiculous to pursue after a while (yes, really - there's historical precedent there).

Galloism, not that I doubt you at all here, but do you have a link to that handy by chance? If not I'll look for it myself, but that just sounds like pure comedy gold.

[The Two Jerseys]

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-47440562

Even your government admits there's no safety issue with the chicken.

But chemicals BAD!

I was outraged when I heard that my drinking water tested positive for chlorinated dihyrodgen monoxide.

[Loben The 2nd]

And you arrest people for teaching dogs to heil hitler - something even the actual Nazis thought was too ridiculous to pursue after a while (yes, really - there's historical precedent there).

Galloism, not that I doubt you at all here, but do you have a link to that handy by chance? If not I'll look for it myself, but that just sounds like pure comedy gold.

ever heard of count dankula?

[The Two Jerseys]

Galloism, not that I doubt you at all here, but do you have a link to that handy by chance? If not I'll look for it myself, but that just sounds like pure comedy gold.

ever heard of count dankula?

I think Paddy's talking about the Nazis going after people doing that.

Not gonna lie, I'd like to see that link as well.

[Paddy O Fernature]

ever heard of count dankula?

I think Paddy's talking about the Nazis going after people doing that.

Not gonna lie, I'd like to see that link as well.

You are correct.

[Galloism]

And you arrest people for teaching dogs to heil hitler - something even the actual Nazis thought was too ridiculous to pursue after a while (yes, really - there's historical precedent there).

Galloism, not that I doubt you at all here, but do you have a link to that handy by chance? If not I'll look for it myself, but that just sounds like pure comedy gold.

For the UK convicting him:

https://www.jta.org/quick-reads/bbc-doc ... ute-panned

For the Nazis who gave it up:

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40963869/ns/w ... ged-nazis/

And the totally not nazis but modern day germans who actually went through with it:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 66438.html

[Rojava Free State]

I agree, we need humanity to be united with a world government rather than dealing in the arbitrary tribalism of small states. While a world government is a distant goal, a more unified European Union is acceptable.

Nations have hundreds of years of history, abolishing them is pretty stupid

*thousands*

[Dogmeat]

But chemicals BAD!

I was outraged when I heard that my drinking water tested positive for chlorinated dihyrodgen monoxide.

And hydrogen hydroxide too!

[Cisairse]

But chemicals BAD!

Need those stims to survive the wasteland

This, but unironically