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Postby Bombadil » Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:24 pm

Neu California wrote:
Telconi wrote:
And Hitler was the lawfully elected chancellor of Germany, but we still call people who opposed him heroes.

Nice Godwin.

Northram is nowhere near the level of Hitler


Anyway, it doesn't matter that Hitler was elected.. the point is he then closed down elections and became a dictator, being elected is not what made Hitler a shitty person.
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Postby Telconi » Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:24 pm

The Lone Alliance wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Did you even read the section of the constitution that was quoted? The referendum would be unconstitutional

And it'd be up to the state of Virginia to enforce it then, however it's not unconstitutional to West Virginia.

Why would Northam want to get back a bunch of dirty farmers anyway, it's not like they like him, what's he losing?


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Postby Rojava Free State » Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:24 pm

would it hurt northam to just hold a referendum on the gun issue?
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Postby Ors Might » Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:24 pm

The Lone Alliance wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Did you even read the section of the constitution that was quoted? The referendum would be unconstitutional

And it'd be up to the state of Virginia to enforce it then, however it's not unconstitutional to West Virginia.

Why would Northam want to get back a bunch of dirty farmers anyway, it's not like they like him, what's he losing?

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Postby Neu California » Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:24 pm

The East Marches II wrote:
Neu California wrote:Nice Godwin.

Northram is nowhere near the level of Hitler


No, he was apparently just a racist. Very normal stuff!

Isn't that the mortal sin for your sort?

:roll:

Just a racist. Really.

Hitler was a genocidal dictator who overthrew the German democracy to grant himself absolute power and killed millions of people just because they were jewish, roma, gay, left wing, etc.

Let me know when Northram gets anywhere near that level
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Postby New Paine » Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:24 pm

Telconi wrote:
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Well, he is not my governor, since I don’t live in Virginia. But he is STILL the governor of the state. Just like how I absolutely despise Donald Trump, he is still the President.


So why should I care if Northam gets jailed, or worse?


In this case, the only people that are going to be jailed are those that attempt to storm the capital.
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Postby Telconi » Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:25 pm

Bombadil wrote:
Neu California wrote:Nice Godwin.

Northram is nowhere near the level of Hitler


Anyway, it doesn't matter that Hitler was elected.. the point is he then closed down elections and became a dictator, being elected is not what made Hitler a shitty person.


But the operative part is he was a shitty person, like Northam.
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Postby Kargintina the Third » Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:25 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:would it hurt northam to just hold a referendum on the gun issue?

Well that would actually allow people to not have to follow his tyranny, usually tyrants don’t give options.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:25 pm

The Lone Alliance wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Did you even read the section of the constitution that was quoted? The referendum would be unconstitutional

And it'd be up to the state of Virginia to enforce it then, however it's not unconstitutional to West Virginia.

Why would Northam want to get back a bunch of dirty farmers anyway, it's not like they like him, what's he losing?

"Oh no the people who hate me are leaving, come back!" /s

Yeah democracy and the constitution are such an annoyance

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Postby Ors Might » Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:25 pm

Neu California wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
No, he was apparently just a racist. Very normal stuff!

Isn't that the mortal sin for your sort?

:roll:

Just a racist. Really.

Hitler was a genocidal dictator who overthrew the German democracy to grant himself absolute power and killed millions of people just because they were jewish, roma, gay, left wing, etc.

Let me know when Northram gets anywhere near that level

Does Northram have to be at that level for us to oppose him in spite of being elected?
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Postby Rojava Free State » Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:25 pm

New Paine wrote:
Telconi wrote:
So why should I care if Northam gets jailed, or worse?


In this case, the only people that are going to be jailed are those that attempt to storm the capital.


Define "storm." I trust northam as much as I trust the president
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Postby Telconi » Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:25 pm

Neu California wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
No, he was apparently just a racist. Very normal stuff!

Isn't that the mortal sin for your sort?

:roll:

Just a racist. Really.

Hitler was a genocidal dictator who overthrew the German democracy to grant himself absolute power and killed millions of people just because they were jewish, roma, gay, left wing, etc.

Let me know when Northram gets anywhere near that level


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Postby Rojava Free State » Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:26 pm

San Lumen wrote:
The Lone Alliance wrote:And it'd be up to the state of Virginia to enforce it then, however it's not unconstitutional to West Virginia.

Why would Northam want to get back a bunch of dirty farmers anyway, it's not like they like him, what's he losing?

"Oh no the people who hate me are leaving, come back!" /s

Yeah democracy and the constitution are such an annoyance


you say that while also being against parts of Virginia voting to leave the state
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:26 pm

The East Marches II wrote:
Neu California wrote:Nice Godwin.

Northram is nowhere near the level of Hitler


No, he was apparently just a racist. Very normal stuff!

Isn't that the mortal sin for your sort?

At least Hitler didn't publish Mein Kampf under his own name and then deny that he wrote it...
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Postby Ors Might » Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:26 pm

San Lumen wrote:
The Lone Alliance wrote:And it'd be up to the state of Virginia to enforce it then, however it's not unconstitutional to West Virginia.

Why would Northam want to get back a bunch of dirty farmers anyway, it's not like they like him, what's he losing?

"Oh no the people who hate me are leaving, come back!" /s

Yeah democracy and the constitution are such an annoyance

A position you agree with, apparently. People voting to leave a state is democracy. “Shall not be infringed” is in the Constitution.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:26 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:would it hurt northam to just hold a referendum on the gun issue?

He doesn’t have the authority to call a referendum and by that logic why have a legislature? Why not just have a referendum on every law?

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Postby Telconi » Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:26 pm

San Lumen wrote:
The Lone Alliance wrote:And it'd be up to the state of Virginia to enforce it then, however it's not unconstitutional to West Virginia.

Why would Northam want to get back a bunch of dirty farmers anyway, it's not like they like him, what's he losing?

"Oh no the people who hate me are leaving, come back!" /s

Yeah democracy and the constitution are such an annoyance


Democracy is far worse than an annoyance. It's an eminent threat.
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Postby New Paine » Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:26 pm

Telconi wrote:
Bombadil wrote:
Anyway, it doesn't matter that Hitler was elected.. the point is he then closed down elections and became a dictator, being elected is not what made Hitler a shitty person.


But the operative part is he was a shitty person, like Northam.



Lots of people are shitty, that doesn’t make them like Hitler.

This sounds as stupid as people comparing Trump to Hitler...
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Postby Rojava Free State » Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:27 pm

I wanna do a social experiment where me and 5 people go down to Virginia and hold up blank picket signs and wait and see how long it takes for northam to declare a state of emergency and scramble the troops
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Postby Ors Might » Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:27 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:would it hurt northam to just hold a referendum on the gun issue?

He doesn’t have the authority to call a referendum and by that logic why have a legislature? Why not just have a referendum on every law?

Why not have a referendum on the gun issue?
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Postby Neu California » Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:27 pm

Ors Might wrote:
Neu California wrote: :roll:

Just a racist. Really.

Hitler was a genocidal dictator who overthrew the German democracy to grant himself absolute power and killed millions of people just because they were jewish, roma, gay, left wing, etc.

Let me know when Northram gets anywhere near that level

Does Northram have to be at that level for us to oppose him in spite of being elected?

No, but that doesn't make the comparison any less absurd

Telconi wrote:
Neu California wrote: :roll:

Just a racist. Really.

Hitler was a genocidal dictator who overthrew the German democracy to grant himself absolute power and killed millions of people just because they were jewish, roma, gay, left wing, etc.

Let me know when Northram gets anywhere near that level


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Postby Rojava Free State » Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:27 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:would it hurt northam to just hold a referendum on the gun issue?

He doesn’t have the authority to call a referendum and by that logic why have a legislature? Why not just have a referendum on every law?


If people are this passionate about guns, I think a referendum is necessary
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Postby Telconi » Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:28 pm

New Paine wrote:
Telconi wrote:
But the operative part is he was a shitty person, like Northam.



Lots of people are shitty, that doesn’t make them like Hitler.

This sounds as stupid as people comparing Trump to Hitler...


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Postby The Lone Alliance » Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:28 pm

San Lumen wrote:Yeah democracy and the constitution are such an annoyance

Yes it's so annoying when people use democracy to vote in a way you don't like.

In this case you're saying it's against democracy and the constitution to vote using democracy if they vote in a way that's against a constitution that they democratically decided they don't want to be a part of.

Democracy = Good
Constitution = Good

Democracy to decide to stop using said constitution in the favor of another constitution = Bad

All they'll be voting to do is to switch to using West Virginia's constitution.
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Postby Ors Might » Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:29 pm

Neu California wrote:
Ors Might wrote:Does Northram have to be at that level for us to oppose him in spite of being elected?

No, but that doesn't make the comparison any less absurd

Telconi wrote:
Consider this your official notice.


:roll:

Northram sure ain’t Hitler but he is a racist that’s happy to abuse the hell out of legal loopholes. Seems enough reason on it’s own to oppose him.
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