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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Jan 14, 2020 10:09 pm

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You'll get part of the money back by not employing bureaucrats to process the applications for free or reduced lunches.


The schools here did that, it was actually cheaper to just stop charging and not worry about the payment processing.


That's nice. Up my way; it pops up from time to time and public shaming makes the schools back off for awhile.....
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Postby Rojava Free State » Tue Jan 14, 2020 10:10 pm

Bombadil wrote:Convert all schools into solar powered covered eco-parks where a portion is devoted to growing nice, healthy food, managed by the kids with guidance. Who needs classrooms these day, get kids out of soulless concrete environments. They could take part in cooking as well. It's shocking how many people can't access, nor can cook, basic healthy food.

Start 'em on the journey young.

All for the price of a few drones and missiles.


I wanna convert my high school into a theme park, but like with really dangerous equipment that isn't up to code, so only the smartest kids manage to survive it and the others...

We'll bring a priest, imam and rabbi to do the last rites
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Postby Katganistan » Tue Jan 14, 2020 10:11 pm

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Not in America - there are tons of prep schools that are for middle and lower class people. They are funded through scholarships or middle class parents forking out their entire savings to put their kid through.


Aren't those charter schools?

No, they aren't. Charters are private, for profit schools that have taken over space in a public school, generally. and the teachers do not have the benefit of union protection in many of them. They tend to be top heavy on administrators and consultants, they handpick their kids and do not take any students with special needs -- and still generally do not outperform the public schools they are supposed to be better than.

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Postby Bombadil » Tue Jan 14, 2020 10:11 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:
Bombadil wrote:Convert all schools into solar powered covered eco-parks where a portion is devoted to growing nice, healthy food, managed by the kids with guidance. Who needs classrooms these day, get kids out of soulless concrete environments. They could take part in cooking as well. It's shocking how many people can't access, nor can cook, basic healthy food.

Start 'em on the journey young.

All for the price of a few drones and missiles.


I wanna convert my high school into a theme park, but like with really dangerous equipment that isn't up to code, so only the smartest kids manage to survive it and the others...

We'll bring a priest, imam and rabbi to do the last rites


Schools could look like this, imagine the learning environment.. https://inhabitat.com/dramatic-greenhou ... -in-korea/
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Postby USS Monitor » Tue Jan 14, 2020 10:12 pm

Bombadil wrote:Convert all schools into solar powered covered eco-parks where a portion is devoted to growing nice, healthy food, managed by the kids with guidance. Who needs classrooms these day, get kids out of soulless concrete environments. They could take part in cooking as well. It's shocking how many people can't access, nor can cook, basic healthy food.

Start 'em on the journey young.

All for the price of a few drones and missiles.


Cooking classes would be a good addition to the curriculum.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Tue Jan 14, 2020 10:12 pm

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I wanna convert my high school into a theme park, but like with really dangerous equipment that isn't up to code, so only the smartest kids manage to survive it and the others...

We'll bring a priest, imam and rabbi to do the last rites


Schools could look like this, imagine the learning environment.. https://inhabitat.com/dramatic-greenhou ... -in-korea/


That needs to happen here
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Postby Katganistan » Tue Jan 14, 2020 10:14 pm

USS Monitor wrote:Just make school lunch free for everyone, regardless of income. School lunches don't cost that much compared to a lot of other crap the government spends money on.

This. So, so much this.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Jan 14, 2020 10:15 pm

Bombadil wrote:Convert all schools into solar powered covered eco-parks where a portion is devoted to growing nice, healthy food, managed by the kids with guidance. Who needs classrooms these day, get kids out of soulless concrete environments. They could take part in cooking as well. It's shocking how many people can't access, nor can cook, basic healthy food.

Start 'em on the journey young.

All for the price of a few drones and missiles.


Nahhh. Just reclassify them as wealthy institutions so the next time the republicans give "us" tax breaks; they can get a big large sum.....
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Postby Bear Stearns » Tue Jan 14, 2020 10:16 pm

In the 1950s American high school students were considered the most educated and prepared teenagers in the world, and American public schools ranked the highest. Where did we fuck up?
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Postby Neutraligon » Tue Jan 14, 2020 10:17 pm

Bombadil wrote:Convert all schools into solar powered covered eco-parks where a portion is devoted to growing nice, healthy food, managed by the kids with guidance. Who needs classrooms these day, get kids out of soulless concrete environments. They could take part in cooking as well. It's shocking how many people can't access, nor can cook, basic healthy food.

Start 'em on the journey young.

All for the price of a few drones and missiles.

For some places this is not feasible, think the North East, where the growing season is short.
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Postby Katganistan » Tue Jan 14, 2020 10:17 pm

USS Monitor wrote:
Bombadil wrote:Convert all schools into solar powered covered eco-parks where a portion is devoted to growing nice, healthy food, managed by the kids with guidance. Who needs classrooms these day, get kids out of soulless concrete environments. They could take part in cooking as well. It's shocking how many people can't access, nor can cook, basic healthy food.

Start 'em on the journey young.

All for the price of a few drones and missiles.


Cooking classes would be a good addition to the curriculum.

Yes. As well as budgeting, managing a checkbook, and making simple clothing reapirs/alterations and household repairs.
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Postby Radiatia » Tue Jan 14, 2020 10:19 pm

Schools in America have food!? Good god, when I was at school at best I'd get a mince pie from across the road (at my own expense), or bring an apple from home and on most days just had nothing.

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Postby Bombadil » Tue Jan 14, 2020 10:19 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Bombadil wrote:Convert all schools into solar powered covered eco-parks where a portion is devoted to growing nice, healthy food, managed by the kids with guidance. Who needs classrooms these day, get kids out of soulless concrete environments. They could take part in cooking as well. It's shocking how many people can't access, nor can cook, basic healthy food.

Start 'em on the journey young.

All for the price of a few drones and missiles.

For some places this is not feasible, think the North East, where the growing season is short.


Covered eco-parks can be any climate you want, the one I linked ranges from Tropical to Polar. The solar power thing might be more tricky but just put them on a shared network.

No imagination, that's the problem with this world.

Katganistan could be sitting in a lovely wooded grove teaching.. whatever she teaches..
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Jan 14, 2020 10:20 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:In the 1950s American high school students were considered the most educated and prepared teenagers in the world, and American public schools ranked the highest. Where did we fuck up?


Modern republicans. Notice their language. They allocate funds to the military and they throw money at education. Add in a little the process needs to be accountable like a business. Teach to the test! Teaching the subject; helping students learn; wastes money!
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Jan 14, 2020 10:22 pm

Radiatia wrote:Schools in America have food!? Good god, when I was at school at best I'd get a mince pie from across the road (at my own expense), or bring an apple from home and on most days just had nothing.


Oh in my day there were times I went hungry so my sister could eat enough. This of course was when divorced women with children was looked down on rather then as a problem.
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Postby The JELLEAIN Republic » Tue Jan 14, 2020 10:22 pm

Never heard of it, sounds bad.

Usually stick to lunchables, or just a chocolate milk.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Tue Jan 14, 2020 10:23 pm

The JELLEAIN Republic wrote:Never heard of it, sounds bad.

Usually stick to lunchables, or just a chocolate milk.


Lunchables pizzas are the best pizzas. I'm right, no one try to argue with my unmatched wisdom. I'm an expert on snacks
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Postby Bombadil » Tue Jan 14, 2020 10:25 pm

The JELLEAIN Republic wrote:Never heard of it, sounds bad.

Usually stick to lunchables, or just a chocolate milk.


"If you take Lunchables apart, the most healthy item in it is the napkin."
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Postby Mercatus » Tue Jan 14, 2020 10:27 pm

Bombadil wrote:Convert all schools into solar powered covered eco-parks where a portion is devoted to growing nice, healthy food, managed by the kids with guidance. Who needs classrooms these day, get kids out of soulless concrete environments. They could take part in cooking as well. It's shocking how many people can't access, nor can cook, basic healthy food.

Start 'em on the journey young.

All for the price of a few drones and missiles.


I hate solar power...

It's expensive, inefficient, and it'll just make the next generation of hippies.

But schools really do need cooking classes that cover a wide variety of ingredients and methods and how to incorporate them, and should be very comprehensive. I'm lucky to have a mother who can teach me those things.

Still, decreasing the Military budget isn't needed to fund some cooking classes, just make the cooking parts of Home Ec. required.
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Postby Neutraligon » Tue Jan 14, 2020 10:30 pm

Bombadil wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:For some places this is not feasible, think the North East, where the growing season is short.


Covered eco-parks can be any climate you want, the one I linked ranges from Tropical to Polar. The solar power thing might be more tricky but just put them on a shared network.

No imagination, that's the problem with this world.

Katganistan could be sitting in a lovely wooded grove teaching.. whatever she teaches..

That assumes the district can afford such, there are some so poor that they cannot afford textbooks, let alone what you are suggesting. As to solar power, that would only work in places that get enough sun.

That said, in theory I agree, there are some basic life skills that should be taught, cooking, basic home repairs and maintenance, basic financing for houses, etc. Some of these can start very young, while others should be taught as students age.
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Postby Bombadil » Tue Jan 14, 2020 10:33 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Bombadil wrote:
Covered eco-parks can be any climate you want, the one I linked ranges from Tropical to Polar. The solar power thing might be more tricky but just put them on a shared network.

No imagination, that's the problem with this world.

Katganistan could be sitting in a lovely wooded grove teaching.. whatever she teaches..

That assumes the district can afford such, there are some so poor that they cannot afford textbooks, let alone what you are suggesting.


Sure, it would take a degree of national investment into the future, but that sort of thing just isn't very popular these days.. far better to focus on profiting from the now.

Hence 'properly feeding kids' is clearly not a priority, it's really too future focused.

Mercatus wrote:I hate solar power...


I'm fine with nuking them up with mini-reactors.
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Postby Neutraligon » Tue Jan 14, 2020 10:36 pm

Bombadil wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:That assumes the district can afford such, there are some so poor that they cannot afford textbooks, let alone what you are suggesting.


Sure, it would take a degree of national investment into the future, but that sort of thing just isn't very popular these days.. far better to focus on profiting from the now.

Oh I agree with the concept of teaching these life skills, just the how is difficult to do given how education is funded. I mean, using property taxes...really? The people who need the most support will have the least revenue.
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Postby Albrenia » Tue Jan 14, 2020 10:36 pm

Mercatus wrote:I hate solar power...

It's expensive, inefficient, and it'll just make the next generation of hippies.


Can't say I've ever heard someone say they hate solar power before.

It's not my favourite energy source, but it certainly has its uses.

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Postby Bombadil » Tue Jan 14, 2020 10:40 pm

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Sure, it would take a degree of national investment into the future, but that sort of thing just isn't very popular these days.. far better to focus on profiting from the now.

Oh I agree with the concept of teaching these life skills, just the how is difficult to do given how education is funded. I mean, using property taxes...really? The people who need the most support will have the least revenue.


Over time the lowered cost of maintenance and energy would easily pay for itself.. but again, the initial cost is all anyone would think about and we'd have less drones to blow things up once in a while to boost popularity.

It's a little removed from the thread though. A British chef, Jamie Oliver, runs a campaign showing you can actually feed children at school with healthy food cheaper than the processed trash they're generally served.

The fact that US schools earn money from soft drink and crisp dispensers, in some cases rely on those earnings.. it's atrocious.

EDIT: actually I checked that campaign, it had successes and failures, for successes..

In 2009, a report was released that after the implementation of Jamie's School Dinners program test scores in English and science improved. The report was conducted by the Institute for Social and Economic Research located at Essex University. It measured the performance of 11-year-old students from Greenwich, south London from 2006-2007, allowing a full year of performance to be measured.[5] The results showed the number of students to receive a 4 or a 5 on their science exams increased by 8%, while English scores rose by 6% and maths also showed a slight increase in performance.[6]

However, people dropped out of eating school food, alas in favour of eating junk food that they preferred. It will take time.

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Postby Neutraligon » Tue Jan 14, 2020 10:42 pm

Bombadil wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:Oh I agree with the concept of teaching these life skills, just the how is difficult to do given how education is funded. I mean, using property taxes...really? The people who need the most support will have the least revenue.


Over time the lowered cost of maintenance and energy would easily pay for itself.. but again, the initial cost is all anyone would think about and we'd have less drones to blow things up once in a while to boost popularity.

It's a little removed from the thread though. A British chef, Jamie Oliver, runs a campaign showing you can actually feed children at school with healthy food cheaper than the processed trash they're generally served.

The fact that US schools earn money from soft drink and crisp dispensers, in some cases rely on those earnings.. it's atrocious.

Oh it mos certainly is atrocious, as to the solar power, like is added to my previous posts, that would depend on where you are in the US, in some places it is simply completely not viable due to constantly being cloudy/rainy/snowy. In others it would work, and work well.

As to your edit, if these students where on the free and reduced meals then they would not be able to afford dropping out. If they are not, then that is their parents choice.
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