Moms 4 houses about to be evicted

[Vallermoore]

Squatting is bad, but so is homelessness as well.

[The Emerald Legion]

Thank you for linking the very thing that states it has no legal power save for those places that idiotically decided to include it into their own constitutions.

Power isn't limited to legal power, the link in particular talks about the influence it has had. If you seriously think that shit you made up earlier has the same kind of power...

If you think the UN is influential then I've a bridge in the Mojave to sell you.

[Gormwood]

Power isn't limited to legal power, the link in particular talks about the influence it has had. If you seriously think that shit you made up earlier has the same kind of power...

If you think the UN is influential then I've a bridge in the Mojave to sell you.

So why does anyone bother to listen to the Security Council?

[The Emerald Legion]

If you think the UN is influential then I've a bridge in the Mojave to sell you.

So why does anyone bother to listen to the Security Council?

They don't. They listen to the important people who sit on the Security Council.

[Unstoppable Empire of Doom]

Evicting people with children is a pain in the ass. The lesson here is if they are single and have multiple children it's just too risky so dont. Many squatters are former renters who refuse to leave btw.

Completely agree that unused property should have a much higher tax burden placed upon it. Its absurd that much of the country is facing a housing crisis and banks/corporations sit on a stockpile of them. Some regions even offer tax breaks for doing so.

Why is it a pain in the ass? Call the police, or institute a lawsuit and get a possession order, if they don't leave they are guilty of contempt of court and go to jail. Not to mention trespassing is still illegal. Where's the 'risk' exactly?

30 days to evict adults

It can take years to evict a single parent with children. Their water, gas, and electricity cannot be cut off either as it endangers the kids. They have to have somewhere safe to go. Since shelters are always at capacity and relatives might not take them in you end up with

30 days for eviction to kick in + initial court case (several months) + child protective services checking up on them and possibility of placement + more court to finally get them out + more court to attempt to recover damages (unlikely). When all is said and done this can take years and if something falls through such as a foster home kicking them out guess what? Go back to the top of this paragraph and start again. It can be a real shit show, not that I have a solution.

[UniversalCommons]

The question here is how long has this property remained empty. It becomes a drain on the neighborhood if property is functionally abandoned. Nobody pays taxes, buys things, has jobs. There is a cost to the community when property is left empty. Was it a zombie property-- a property that was not properly maintained and held empty.

A developer buys a property and leaves it empty. They don't maintain it. It is not in forclosure, but it is not maintained. It reduces the values of the property around it. Are the developers liable. It falls into such disrepair that squatters move in because no one is paying attention. Kick out the squatters and fine the developers for improperly maintaining their property.

The landlords are liable as well as squatters in this mess.

Even if you have an empty property, you must maintain it to standards or it devalues the neighborhood.

[The Black Forrest]

The question here is how long has this property remained empty. It becomes a drain on the neighborhood if property is functionally abandoned. Nobody pays taxes, buys things, has jobs. There is a cost to the community when property is left empty. Was it a zombie property-- a property that was not properly maintained and held empty.

A developer buys a property and leaves it empty. They don't maintain it. It is not in forclosure, but it is not maintained. It reduces the values of the property around it. Are the developers liable. It falls into such disrepair that squatters move in because no one is paying attention. Kick out the squatters and fine the developers for improperly maintaining their property.

The landlords are liable as well as squatters in this mess.

Even if you have an empty property, you must maintain it to standards or it devalues the neighborhood.

Definitely audit the property owner for all that he has not paid. fine him and give the money to the 4 familes for new digs......

[The New California Republic]

Power isn't limited to legal power, the link in particular talks about the influence it has had. If you seriously think that shit you made up earlier has the same kind of power...

If you think the UN is influential then I've a bridge in the Mojave to sell you.

UDHR =/= the UN itself. Come on, this isn't difficult.

[Ethel mermania]

If you think the UN is influential then I've a bridge in the Mojave to sell you.

UDHR =/= the UN itself. Come on, this isn't difficult.

whether its binding or not has nothing to do with this case. Its says there is a genersl right to housing and food, and is understood to apply to governments. It does not say or imply a person gets to pick where they stay without paying for it.

[-The Watcher]

The easiest solution is to give the family the house and the government pays (or the family could start a fun-raiser or something) the company for the house because after all, it is still their property.

[Satuga]

The easiest solution is to give the family the house and the government pays (or the family could start a fun-raiser or something) the company for the house because after all, it is still their property.

That would be stupid, and basically say to all homeless that "Hey if you invade an empty house that you don't own, we'll pay for it!" This could also be used as a fraud tactic, take the home, then rent it out to others/druggies, turn a profit on something you never owned in the first place.

[Liriena]

The easiest solution is to give the family the house and the government pays (or the family could start a fun-raiser or something) the company for the house because after all, it is still their property.

That would be stupid, and basically say to all homeless that "Hey if you invade an empty house that you don't own, we'll pay for it!" This could also be used as a fraud tactic, take the home, then rent it out to others/druggies, turn a profit on something you never owned in the first place.

Assuming that poor people are malicious. Cool.

[The Emerald Legion]

That would be stupid, and basically say to all homeless that "Hey if you invade an empty house that you don't own, we'll pay for it!" This could also be used as a fraud tactic, take the home, then rent it out to others/druggies, turn a profit on something you never owned in the first place.

Assuming that poor people are malicious. Cool.

Most people are malicious. It's not exclusive to the poor. But the poor are not magically benevolent.

[The Emerald Legion]

If you think the UN is influential then I've a bridge in the Mojave to sell you.

UDHR =/= the UN itself. Come on, this isn't difficult.

UDHR is a symbolic declaration by the UN intended to be something akin to the Declaration of Independence. The difference being that people actually fought for and defended the Declaration of Independence.

The UDHR is basically unknown outside of leftists who use it to justify their ridiculous beliefs and people like myself who spend far too much time repeatedly telling them that the UDHR isn't worth the paper it's printed on.

Also, The Outer Space treaty sucks as well and is singlehandedly responsible for the lack of interest in space.

[The New California Republic]

UDHR =/= the UN itself. Come on, this isn't difficult.

UDHR is a symbolic declaration by the UN intended to be something akin to the Declaration of Independence. The difference being that people actually fought for and defended the Declaration of Independence.

The UDHR is basically unknown outside of leftists who use it to justify their ridiculous beliefs and people like myself who spend far too much time repeatedly telling them that the UDHR isn't worth the paper it's printed on.

Also, The Outer Space treaty sucks as well and is singlehandedly responsible for the lack of interest in space.

And yet the UDHR has had influence, again more than can be said for that shit you made up the other day as allegedly being equivalent.

[The Emerald Legion]

UDHR is a symbolic declaration by the UN intended to be something akin to the Declaration of Independence. The difference being that people actually fought for and defended the Declaration of Independence.

The UDHR is basically unknown outside of leftists who use it to justify their ridiculous beliefs and people like myself who spend far too much time repeatedly telling them that the UDHR isn't worth the paper it's printed on.

Also, The Outer Space treaty sucks as well and is singlehandedly responsible for the lack of interest in space.

And yet the UDHR has had influence, again more than can be said for that shit you made up the other day as allegedly being equivalent.

Influence isn't authority. The UDHR is a declaration. Yes some people believe in it's tenants, but pretending it is at all some manner of binding or significant document when most nations of significance do not follow it...

Ask an American what Human rights means. They'll refer you to the Constitution 9/10.

[The New California Republic]

And yet the UDHR has had influence, again more than can be said for that shit you made up the other day as allegedly being equivalent.

Influence isn't authority.

Don't try to move the goalposts. We were talking about influence.

[The Emerald Legion]

Influence isn't authority.

Don't try to move the goalposts. We were talking about influence.

You're the one moving goalposts. Influence was never the topic of discussion.

I said housing was not a right, that the very idea it was was ridiculous. You and Liriena quoted the UDHR, pretending it was THE authoritative definition of what are and are not human rights when it was/is a non-binding declaration solely meant to inspire people *that has since fallen into disuse and disdain by everyone except young liberals using it to justify their entitlement.*

[The JELLEAIN Republic]

Kick out squatters (but help them find a shelter)
Fine landlord for messing up (if it was a hazard)

But hey, it’s a free county, as long as it’s not a hazard or part of a HOA, they don’t have to maintain their property (maybe unless it’s in a city...).

[Ifreann]

Squatters are modern heroes, defying a corrupt legal system to achieve true justice.

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Power isn't limited to legal power, the link in particular talks about the influence it has had. If you seriously think that shit you made up earlier has the same kind of power...

If you think the UN is influential then I've a bridge in the Mojave to sell you.

Which one?

[The New California Republic]

Don't try to move the goalposts. We were talking about influence.

You're the one moving goalposts. Influence was never the topic of discussion.

Um, yes it was, if you look back on the back and forth between us over the last several posts.

I said housing was not a right, that the very idea it was was ridiculous. You and Liriena quoted the UDHR, pretending it was THE authoritative definition of what are and are not human rights when it was/is a non-binding declaration solely meant to inspire people *that has since fallen into disuse and disdain by everyone except young liberals using it to justify their entitlement.*

It was used as an example of where it has been cited as a right, to nullify your assertion that the "very idea is ridiculous". It isn't exactly ridiculous if it has been mentioned as a right in a document that has had influence on human rights policy. And I never made out that it was THE authoritative definition of what are and are not human rights, that's just you making up stories.

[Ifreann]

Don't try to move the goalposts. We were talking about influence.

You're the one moving goalposts. Influence was never the topic of discussion.

If you think the UN is influential then I've a bridge in the Mojave to sell you.

[The New California Republic]

You're the one moving goalposts. Influence was never the topic of discussion.

If you think the UN is influential then I've a bridge in the Mojave to sell you.

Yeah, dunno what the fuck that weird lie was about, when the evidence that it was the discussion currently at hand is sitting right there...

[Satuga]

That would be stupid, and basically say to all homeless that "Hey if you invade an empty house that you don't own, we'll pay for it!" This could also be used as a fraud tactic, take the home, then rent it out to others/druggies, turn a profit on something you never owned in the first place.

Assuming that poor people are malicious. Cool.

Umm please point out where Im blanketing all poor people as malicious? I said could not will.

[The Emerald Legion]

You're the one moving goalposts. Influence was never the topic of discussion.

If you think the UN is influential then I've a bridge in the Mojave to sell you.

Two separate conversations. But context free sniping is about all you do so carry on.