Higher minimum wages linked to reduced suicide rate

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

Bullshit. I was when I was. Both fed and state. Lost out on a chunk of my 2014 return because I owed money due to my previous (at that time. I've had others since) employer having fucked up my tax form and taken nothing out for state taxes. Fed got overpaid, but I still would have owed if nothing had been taken out. State minimum wage when I worked for said employer i 2012 was 7.50, then 8.25.

Being bad at filing taxes doesn't mean you're being charged income tax.

"Being wrongfully taxed doesn't mean you're being taxed"

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Mental illness is illness.

Mental illness is far overstated. A consequence of pathologizing decisions.

I allready responded to this post but I think I have another idea why it's bullshit.

We have gotten better and better at diagnosing mental illness, so of course we are seeing a rise in it right now.

It's not being overstated, if anything it has been a brewing shitstorm that is now trying to be swept under the rug in cases like this beacuse now the billionares will have to take a pay cut inorder to make things profetable.

[Servilis]

Look, the sky is blue.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

"B-but guys think of the poor executives who will now have to down grade from 3 private jets to one!"


Not what the CDC says but ok

Why is the CDC's opinion valuable?

Why isn't it?

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

>complains about logical fallcys
>attacks the person, not the arugment later on in his post

You know what cuts could be done? Cut executive funding, not the ground workers.

>Attacks the person
Yes i'm attacking the individuals who utilized "morality" as a valid argument for increasing the minimum wage. It was noted in this thread that an increase in minimum wage eventually falls on the consumer. But such an opportunity cost is valid because it is "moral & just". So again, my question to such morally righteous crusaders, will they be there to pay for the lives of workers who get laid off? Or will they be here, on this website. Crying about the "unfairness" of the world.

In addition, I don't understand how you couldn't see the aspect of my post where I refuted the statement the original individual I responded too made wherein he claims that the opposing claim has been clearly debunked simply because he can post an array of links.

But again, to understand my statement. You would've needed to have read & understood what I said instead of simply focusing on the attack. Although, this would require I speak to someone who could understand why such an attack was made in the first place. Which you clearly could not by your own admission.

He just destroyed all of his credibility with his patent nonsense. Not even his lazy attempt to smear "the left" argued anything concrete.

>All of my credibility
No, only to a troglodyte such as yourself who is unwilling to respond to the inherent argument within the post. My lazy attempt to smear "the left"? Lmao I just copied what you said, almost word for word. So by your own admission, you made a lazy attempt to smear "the right" which did not argue anything concrete.

Now, if you refer to the moral aspect. Fine, why don't you answer it then? Please, post the link to a media outlet of yours: youtube, instagram, snapchat, facebook, etc. where you document how you go around paying for the lives of minimum wage workers who get laid off.

Since morality is considered a valid argument. Why don't you put your money where your mouth is & show us all how you are a righteous crusader for minimum wage workers. But i'll make a prediction right now. You won't do any of that. Instead, you will still be here attempting to promulgate claims based on an erroneous foundation. Instead, you will still be here telling all of US how WE should be moral & pay for the minimum wage increase.

Instead of focusing on promoting that minimum wage workers go to school or pursue some sort of outlet in which they may advance & contribute something of greater value to society. Your solution is instead to simply pay them more. Which then falls on the consumers.

So please, at least make an attempt to respond to the argument within. Instead of just posting "links" which in reality do nothing. Anyone can post "links".

I have Investopedia, a leading authority on financial topics, stating that minimum wage increase DOES in fact, lead to a decrease in jobs. You, doubtless, have your own authorities from those links. This alone illustrates that there are two divergent schools of thought on the topic. But to you & your narrow-minded view, apparently just having 10+ links mean that any topic has been utterly "debunked" & "solved".

So you admit your statement is an ad hominem and is non logical.

[The Emerald Legion]

Being bad at filing taxes doesn't mean you're being charged income tax.

And being charged income taxes does not mean being bad at filing taxes. What's your point?

Given I never got taxed even at $9 an hour I'm inclined to say your employer was over-reporting your wages.

And sure, you get your tax return once a year, but you just space it's use out over the year.

[Aclion]

Being bad at filing taxes doesn't mean you're being charged income tax.

And being charged income taxes does not mean being bad at filing taxes.

Yes it does

[Saiwania]

Raising the minimum wage does not increase unemployment.

It does when the minimum wage is set too high relative to productivity. The alternative is that businesses will charge higher prices and that causes more inflation.

The US has this retarded system where the minimum wage isn't adjusted for inflation and isn't raised for a decade or more, depending on how the US Congress is currently. So of course the minimum wage isn't going to cause job losses, if its below where the natural minimum wage is at anyways for the US market.

Having the entire labor force unionized is a vastly superior system in my mind. It makes collective bargaining just part of the normal business process and not confined to only those who're skilled enough to have the leverage for that. If every business has trade unions or associations to contend with, no rival business is at a competitive advantage on a national level. Which ideally, takes away the incentive for businesses to bust unions.

Under the status quo, businesses that're unionized, have a competitive disadvantage compared to businesses that are non-union. So it is a race to the bottom in some respects.

[Telconi]

Why is the CDC's opinion valuable?

Why isn't it?

Because the CDC is untrustworthy, and advocates bad things.

[The Emerald Legion]

Raising the minimum wage does not increase unemployment.

It does when the minimum wage is set too high relative to productivity. The alternative is that businesses will charge higher prices and that causes more inflation.

The US has this retarded system where the minimum wage isn't adjusted for inflation and isn't raised for a decade or more, depending on how the US Congress is currently. So of course the minimum wage isn't going to cause job losses, if its below where the natural minimum wage is at anyways for the US market.

Having the entire labor force unionized is a vastly superior system in my mind. It makes collective bargaining just part of the normal business process and not confined to only those who're skilled enough to have the leverage for that. If every business has trade unions or associations to contend with, no rival business is at a competitive advantage on a national level. Which ideally, takes away the incentive for businesses to bust unions.

Under the status quo, businesses that're unionized, have a competitive disadvantage compared to businesses that are non-union. So it is a race to the bottom in some respects.

Unions are far too easily corrupted.

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

Why isn't it?

Because the CDC is untrustworthy, and advocates bad things.

As everyone knows, bias is when people disagree with you, and the more they disagree, the more biased they are.

[Grenartia]

Why isn't it?

Because the CDC is untrustworthy, and advocates bad things.

:thonk:

[Saiwania]

Unions are far too easily corrupted.

The same is true for private businesses, so the cons don't outweigh the pros of this just yet from my perspective. As I said, Sweden and Denmark are able to make this work well enough.

[Jebslund]

Given I never got taxed even at $9 an hour I'm inclined to say your employer was over-reporting your wages.

It wouldn't surprise me. That employer was, shall we say, not exactly competent in plenty of areas.

And sure, you get your tax return once a year, but you just space it's use out over the year.

No, you don't. At $8-9/hour, you use your tax return to take care of things/debts you've been putting off all year due to not having the money to take care of them. You don't have the money to be spacing it out unless you're luckier than shit and had nothing break or get close to breaking that needs replaced, no medical emergencies, and no unexpected expenses crop up.

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

Why isn't it?

Because the CDC is untrustworthy, and advocates bad things.

...such as?

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Why isn't it?

Because the CDC is untrustworthy, and advocates bad things.

Or maybe its beacuse the CDC is publishing facts that you don't like.

[Kubra]

Sure but there's kind of a difference between like a Hume-like sort of guy waxing-existential about the implications of suicide before doing it and a guy who can't make rent lobbing himself off a bridge on the way home, no?

Not really no. Both consider the alternatives, and then choose death. Their reasons are irrelevant.

the thing is you ask the surviving jumpers and most say that they weren't really into the whole suicide thing, it's an act of passion in the particular instance. It ain't exactly "informed choice".

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Not really no. Both consider the alternatives, and then choose death. Their reasons are irrelevant.

the thing is you ask the surviving jumpers and most say that they weren't really into the whole suicide thing, it's an act of passion in the particular instance. It ain't exactly "informed choice".

Those are the survivors, they're not suicides by definition.

TEL might be right in some cases, you might be right in others. Hard to say what proportion of (completed) suicides made an informed choice, against how many were mentally ill. Some might have had a religious reason, which would be controversial to call mental illness.

We can probably agree that suicide is devastating for friends and family of the dead person.