EPA science board to EPA management: Try using some science

[Juristonia]

So Trump is doing what he was elected to do?
Good for him.

If a guy is elected on a pro fucking children platform, I'm not gonna give him a pat on the back when he starts fucking children.

[Unstoppable Empire of Doom]

We still have an EPA?

Fuck, why?

To yell at my former employer when he dumps bleach, sulphur, cerium oxide, ammonia, stannous chloride, silver nitrate, muriatic acid, etcetera into the nearby creek...

[Greater vakolicci haven]

So Trump is doing what he was elected to do?
Good for him.

If a guy is elected on a pro fucking children platform, I'm not gonna give him a pat on the back when he starts fucking children.

If he was elected on a pro fucking children platform, I think it's probably time to leave the country. We don't want to live in a pedo's paradise.

[Gormwood]

If a guy is elected on a pro fucking children platform, I'm not gonna give him a pat on the back when he starts fucking children.

If he was elected on a pro fucking children platform, I think it's probably time to leave the country. We don't want to live in a pedo's paradise.

A toxic wasteland is fine for you, but it takes child molestation for you to object.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

If he was elected on a pro fucking children platform, I think it's probably time to leave the country. We don't want to live in a pedo's paradise.

A toxic wasteland is fine for you, but it takes child molestation for you to object.

I have standards.

[Gormwood]

A toxic wasteland is fine for you, but it takes child molestation for you to object.

I have standards.

[The JELLEAIN Republic]

Trump drained the swamp, put it in a bottle, threw in some swamp monsters and alligators,buried it in Florida for 20 years, struck it with lightning, then opened it and selected his government officials from the pool.

[Outer Sparta]

We still have an EPA?

Fuck, why?

I know you miss the days when the Thames was so polluted people who fell in it died before they had a chance to drown but still...

Ahh yes 1952, the glory days of London! Smell that clean air coming from factories and the attractive smell of Thames sewer water!

[Rojava Free State]

Trump drained the swamp, put it in a bottle, threw in some swamp monsters and alligators,buried it in Florida for 20 years, struck it with lightning, then opened it and selected his government officials from the pool.

Trump dug a channel and connected the swamp with the everglades

[Vetalia]

I know you miss the days when the Thames was so polluted people who fell in it died before they had a chance to drown but still...

Rather appropriately, the Cuyahoga River catching on fire in 1969 was one of the key events that led to the passage of the Clean Water Act and formation of the EPA. I can see the tangible evidence of the impact the EPA has had on our natural environment every time I go downtown or up to the lake.

[Antityranicals]

We still have an EPA?

Fuck, why?

To yell at my former employer when he dumps bleach, sulphur, cerium oxide, ammonia, stannous chloride, silver nitrate, muriatic acid, etcetera into the nearby creek...

If this harms someone, then lawsuits can do the yelling. If it doesn't, there's nothing wrong with it. I don't get what's so hard about that...

[Vetalia]

If this harms someone, then lawsuits can do the yelling. If it doesn't, there's nothing wrong with it. I don't get what's so hard about that...

In a lot of cases, by the time evidence of harm was determined the companies or individuals responsible were either out of business or deceased making it difficult if not impossible to successfully pursue legal action. That's why the Superfund program was established. If lawsuits were an effective way of protecting the environment there would have been no need for the EPA or other environmental protection laws to begin with.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

To yell at my former employer when he dumps bleach, sulphur, cerium oxide, ammonia, stannous chloride, silver nitrate, muriatic acid, etcetera into the nearby creek...

If this harms someone, then lawsuits can do the yelling. If it doesn't, there's nothing wrong with it. I don't get what's so hard about that...

No, the force of law does the yelling since the wanton and unrestrained dumping of toxic chemicals into water sources invariably leads to the contamination and pollution of drinking water and ends up harming many someone’s. Not only that but wanton and unrestrained pollution would also lead to the irreparable damage or destruction of ecosystems, that if gone, removes a balance which we as humans require to adequately survive on this planet.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

To yell at my former employer when he dumps bleach, sulphur, cerium oxide, ammonia, stannous chloride, silver nitrate, muriatic acid, etcetera into the nearby creek...

If this harms someone, then lawsuits can do the yelling. If it doesn't, there's nothing wrong with it. I don't get what's so hard about that...

A lawsuit has to prove material harm. Unless the creek itself is represented (what the EPA does) then you have to prove your health suffered by consuming/touching some of the pollution, and the polluter is going to have a sound defence "it's not your creek".

[Nobel Hobos 2]

That's very helpful, I'm sure we will benefit from having no environmental protections.

I don't think you understand what the EPA does. It's more a tool for polluters to bypass the restrictiveness of common law then it is to protect the environment. The EPA is essentially an org companies go to buy a permit that says the pollution they're creating is permissible, and protect them from liability related to it.

With the practical consideration that some pollution is unavoidable* then the ideal limitation is to make it cost money. In a predictable and market way, not a way catastrophic to businesses (eg law suits). What the EPA does is sell licenses to pollute, putting a price on what would otherwise be a business externality, and if it's not working to keep pollution to a minimum then the answer isn't to stop. It's to charge more.

*For instance CO2 pollution. If every polluter was driven out of business in the space of a few years, by lawsuits, the economy would be a hollowed out shell.

[The Grims]

So Trump is doing what he was elected to do?
Good for him.

If a guy is elected on a pro fucking children platform, I'm not gonna give him a pat on the back when he starts fucking children.

Why do you hate democracy ?

[The JELLEAIN Republic]

I know you miss the days when the Thames was so polluted people who fell in it died before they had a chance to drown but still...

Ahh yes 1952, the glory days of London! Smell that clean air coming from factories and the attractive smell of Thames sewer water!

.... not to insult any good people of course, but when you got more than a football team either in jail or indicted or anything like that, especially as it pertains to Russia (Michael Flynn), you got a problem.

[Estanglia]

To yell at my former employer when he dumps bleach, sulphur, cerium oxide, ammonia, stannous chloride, silver nitrate, muriatic acid, etcetera into the nearby creek...

If this harms someone, then lawsuits can do the yelling. If it doesn't, there's nothing wrong with it. I don't get what's so hard about that...

The fact that companies that can afford to dump that shit in enough quantities to cause major harm typically have significantly more money than the victims of their dumping, so if they wanted to they could just hire the best lawyers they can and/or drag any lawsuits out long enough and/or settle before they can be properly whacked for their dumping.

Whereas, if the government is the one doing the yelling, the government has access to significantly more resources than the company does and if they really wanted to they could obliterate said dumping company.

[The JELLEAIN Republic]

How to fix the legal system.....


Most of the time it’s the formal systems and. It the arguments that is the disparity between wealth.
So have a government provoded lawyer that does the technical bits and not the arguing if requested.
Like a legalese translator..