EPA science board to EPA management: Try using some science

[Darkmoon Conclave]

The EPA is essentially an org companies go to buy a permit that says the pollution they're creating is permissible, and protect them from liability related to it.

Well, we have to fund our environmental protections somehow.

[Aclion]

The EPA is essentially an org companies go to buy a permit that says the pollution they're creating is permissible, and protect them from liability related to it.

Well, we have to fund our environmental protections somehow.

By licencing it?

[Duhon]

Abolish the EPA

:dab:

"destroy thìs world and everything and everyone in it
if we can't take care of our garden then fuck us all"

call it a strawman, idc
your insistence that it is one does not make it any less of an eventuality

[Duhon]

That's very helpful, I'm sure we will benefit from having no environmental protections.

I don't think you understand what the EPA does. It's more a tool for polluters to bypass the restrictiveness of common law then it is to protect the environment. The EPA is essentially an org companies go to buy a permit that says the pollution they're creating is permissible, and protect them from liability related to it.

as it is, yes, but regulatory capture does not obviate the need for regs or regsmen, it just means too many are lazy fucks who want your creature comforts and the rest are predatory hoarder fuckwits

[Duhon]

Vote the fuckers out.

too little, too late
at this point, if you have kids, hug them real hard, and if you're the kid, hug your parents real hard
memories are not a silver lining, but they do hurt a lot

[Sapporo Hyperspace Riftgate Laboratory]

They all know global warming is real, look at ExxonMobil's research on climate change. They will pretty much be unharmed by global warming, they can just move to the Arctic or the Antarctic.

[Alvecia]

Science? In my environmental agency? Turns out less likely than you'd think.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

We still have an EPA?

Fuck, why?

[Satuga]

Trump purged the morons in the management, but failed to remove their sycophants- either because he couldn't or because he didn't see them as part of the alarmist problem. How unfortunate.

Hi republican here, daily reminder that global warming fucking exists and should be a global effort to change it. So please stop your bull shit about alarmists.

[Rojava Free State]

Trump purged the morons in the management, but failed to remove their sycophants- either because he couldn't or because he didn't see them as part of the alarmist problem. How unfortunate.

Hi republican here, daily reminder that global warming fucking exists and should be a global effort to change it. So please stop your bull shit about alarmists.

But satuga, trump knows more about the military than the generals, and more about science than the scientists because obviously he's a genius and not a low IQ numbskull who can't even form a coherent sentence, much less a coherent plan to fight climate change.

I'm just kidding, trump is only hammering more nails in our coffin

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

We still have an EPA?

Fuck, why?

Some of us don't want to destroy the world. I know that you personally do, based on your posts in other megathreads, but you do not speak for the majority, and the majority has an interest in being able to survive even if their survival means plutocrats end up making slightly less money.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

We still have an EPA?

Fuck, why?

Because protecting the environment is cool.

[Aclion]

I don't think you understand what the EPA does. It's more a tool for polluters to bypass the restrictiveness of common law then it is to protect the environment. The EPA is essentially an org companies go to buy a permit that says the pollution they're creating is permissible, and protect them from liability related to it.

as it is, yes, but regulatory capture does not obviate the need for regs or regsmen, it just means too many are lazy fucks who want your creature comforts and the rest are predatory hoarder fuckwits

It's not regulatory capture that did this, it's inherent in replacing free markets, property rights, and tort law with a licencing and regulatory system.

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

as it is, yes, but regulatory capture does not obviate the need for regs or regsmen, it just means too many are lazy fucks who want your creature comforts and the rest are predatory hoarder fuckwits

It's not regulatory capture that did this, it's inherent in replacing free markets, property rights, and tort law with a licencing and regulatory system.

Are you saying that, because the regulations can be avoided, we should do away with them entirely?

[Aclion]

It's not regulatory capture that did this, it's inherent in replacing free markets, property rights, and tort law with a licencing and regulatory system.

Are you saying that, because the regulations can be avoided, we should do away with them entirely?

I'm saying that because the regulations are more permissive then what they replaced. and undermined what they replaced, we should do away with them. Make the EPA an investigative body.

[Rojava Free State]

Everybody relax. We're not all gonna die because the EPA kicked the climate change can down the road

Only 99% of us will die, and 1% will survive to tell the tale

[Satuga]

Hi republican here, daily reminder that global warming fucking exists and should be a global effort to change it. So please stop your bull shit about alarmists.

But satuga, trump knows more about the military than the generals, and more about science than the scientists because obviously he's a genius and not a low IQ numbskull who can't even form a coherent sentence, much less a coherent plan to fight climate change.

I'm just kidding, trump is only hammering more nails in our coffin

As Ive always said, Trump has his ups and downs, hes definitely not a military or scientific genius thats for sure, but he has done things that were beneficial and actually good. People need to stop picking a choosing what Trump has done and look at his whole picture instead.

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

But satuga, trump knows more about the military than the generals, and more about science than the scientists because obviously he's a genius and not a low IQ numbskull who can't even form a coherent sentence, much less a coherent plan to fight climate change.

I'm just kidding, trump is only hammering more nails in our coffin

As Ive always said, Trump has his ups and downs, hes definitely not a military or scientific genius thats for sure, but he has done things that were beneficial and actually good. People need to stop picking a choosing what Trump has done and look at his whole picture instead.

I'm familiar with the good that he has done, but in my opinion, the positives of his presidency do not outweigh the negatives because the positives aren't exceptionally good but the negatives are exceptionally terrible. Weighing all the factors, if Trump is considered a good president, we have literally never had a bad president in our entire history because we have never once had a president with less respect for the law or more contempt for the political opposition.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

We still have an EPA?

Fuck, why?

Some of us don't want to destroy the world. I know that you personally do, based on your posts in other megathreads, but you do not speak for the majority, and the majority has an interest in being able to survive even if their survival means plutocrats end up making slightly less money.

We''re all guaranteed to die anyway, at some point.

[Satuga]

I'm familiar with the good that he has done, but in my opinion, the positives of his presidency do not outweigh the negatives because the positives aren't exceptionally good but the negatives are exceptionally terrible. Weighing all the factors, if Trump is considered a good president, we have literally never had a bad president in our entire history because we have never once had a president with less respect for the law or more contempt for the political opposition.

Presidentially hes not that bad, what hes done in his personal life is worse. Weve had plenty of bad presidents, worse than trump even, but Trump is just a loud mouth, thats his biggest problem.

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

Some of us don't want to destroy the world. I know that you personally do, based on your posts in other megathreads, but you do not speak for the majority, and the majority has an interest in being able to survive even if their survival means plutocrats end up making slightly less money.

We''re all guaranteed to die anyway, at some point.

That doesn't make life worthless, even to you. Otherwise, you would've killed yourself the moment you decided to base your entire philosophy on caricatures of nihilism. You didn't, therefore life has value to you despite being limited. Other people who do not subscribe to your overly edgy quasi-values system value their lives far more than you seem to, and they definitely value their lives more than you value theirs, therefore it is logical for them to value their life more than the profits of someone else, because their life directly benefits them and others' profits do not.

If I might offer some advice for the future? Don't present arguments if immediately apparent evidence - such as the survival of the person making them - contradict the conclusions the arguments reach. Not only are these arguments easy to dismantle, they aren't going to convince anyone.

[Gormwood]

We still have an EPA?

Fuck, why?

I know you miss the days when the Thames was so polluted people who fell in it died before they had a chance to drown but still...

[Greater vakolicci haven]

We still have an EPA?

Fuck, why?

I know you missed the days when the Thames was so polluted people who fell in it died before they had a chance to drown but still...

When it was properly classified as a sewer?

[Greater vakolicci haven]

We''re all guaranteed to die anyway, at some point.

That doesn't make life worthless, even to you. Otherwise, you would've killed yourself the moment you decided to base your entire philosophy on caricatures of nihilism. You didn't, therefore life has value to you despite being limited. Other people who do not subscribe to your overly edgy quasi-values system value their lives far more than you seem to, and they definitely value their lives more than you value theirs, therefore it is logical for them to value their life more than the profits of someone else, because their life directly benefits them and others' profits do not.

If I might offer some advice for the future? Don't present arguments if immediately apparent evidence - such as the survival of the person making them - contradict the conclusions the arguments reach. Not only are these arguments easy to dismantle, they aren't going to convince anyone.

It's not through lack of trying, don't worry. The thing is, third time lucky didn't work for me.

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

That doesn't make life worthless, even to you. Otherwise, you would've killed yourself the moment you decided to base your entire philosophy on caricatures of nihilism. You didn't, therefore life has value to you despite being limited. Other people who do not subscribe to your overly edgy quasi-values system value their lives far more than you seem to, and they definitely value their lives more than you value theirs, therefore it is logical for them to value their life more than the profits of someone else, because their life directly benefits them and others' profits do not.

If I might offer some advice for the future? Don't present arguments if immediately apparent evidence - such as the survival of the person making them - contradict the conclusions the arguments reach. Not only are these arguments easy to dismantle, they aren't going to convince anyone.

It's not through lack of trying, don't worry. The thing is, third time lucky didn't work for me.

I honestly don't know how to properly reply to this without sounding callous, so I'll just leave it at 'your experiences are not universal'.