Iran vs the US Megathread

[Totally Not OEP]

The reaction in this thread really says a lot about many of you and society at large.

Reaction? Singular? There seems to have been a variety of reactions in the thread, so not quite sure what you are on about.

The serious divisions within American society.

[Nantoraka]

Can't wait for this to maybe turn into a full-on WW3 scenario and we finally get that nuclear winter that everyone's been waiting for.

That's...quite the overreaction.

[Thermodolia]

Exactly why we should park a ballistic missile sub right off the coast and first strike them tbh.

That is first of all based on the false assumption the “Sampson Option” exists the way critics of Israel claim.

Secondly it makes no sense, because Ohio class are designed to be fired at extremely long range, putting them near the target is a bad idea.

WRA is a posadist. He wants the end of the world

[Thermodolia]

I don’t see people outright sympathizing with Soleimani the way people on Twitter or Reddit are doing, so at least NSG is slightly sane

Although most of the people who are sympathizing with him probably don’t know anything about him and are just doing it because Trump indirectly killed him

Soleimani was a fucked up guy and lived as he died. I'm just against a war with iran because our soldiers and innocent people will suffer as a result, but we didn't lose anything when this guy kicked the bucket

There isn’t going to be a war. Trump himself doesn’t want one

[Aureumterra]

That sounds like a mainstream media tactic, wouldn’t be surprised if the video was from a mainstream source, but this is some random Syrian guy on twitter

Bashar Al-Assad is a popular leader.

In Damascus and on the coast yes, definitely not in Aleppo though

[Israeli Defense Force]

Well

What a stupid move.

Proportional response. Remember the last time they stormed an embassy, Carter deployed the Spec Ops for direct action inside Iran? The Russians, the one time Hezbollah fucked with them, cut up the family members and sent the body parts to the responsible parties.

Remember that time the CIA overthrew the democratically elected government of Iran and put a dictator in power?

And that time the United States equipped Iraq with chemical weapons to use on Iranians?

And then that time the United States invaded Iraq and destabilized the entire region on false pretenses, killing hundreds of thousands and creating the same power vacuum Iran is trying to stabilize?

I'm no fan of the Islamic Republic but it's no wonder they hate Americans. Americans murder Iranians and then act like the USA is the victim when Iranians do anything in response.

[Northern Dependencies]

Can't wait for this to maybe turn into a full-on WW3 scenario and we finally get that nuclear winter that everyone's been waiting for.

That's...quite the overreaction.

Wasn't the Syrian withdrawal supposed to start WW3?

[Totally Not OEP]

Proportional response. Remember the last time they stormed an embassy, Carter deployed the Spec Ops for direct action inside Iran? The Russians, the one time Hezbollah fucked with them, cut up the family members and sent the body parts to the responsible parties.

Remember that time the CIA overthrew the democratically elected government of Iran and put a dictator in power?

And that time the United States equipped Iraq with chemical weapons to use on Iranians?

And then that time the United States invaded Iraq and destabilized the entire region on false pretenses, killing hundreds of thousands and creating the same power vacuum Iran is trying to stabilize?

I'm no fan of the Islamic Republic but it's no wonder they hate Americans. Americans murder Iranians and then act like the USA is the victim when Iranians do anything in response.

Remember the time all of this was bullshit? Yes, that's right now.

[Insaanistan]

Going to agree with Therm on this one, and side with common sense. Nobody is going to fire a nuke off over this or anything else President Trump is going to do in the next 4+ years.

People who say Trump will cause WW3 are overestimating his capabilities

Hello Brother,
Not really.

[Aureumterra]

That's...quite the overreaction.

Wasn't the Syrian withdrawal supposed to start WW3?

I thought it was the “fire and fury” comment

[Insaanistan]

Soleimani was a fucked up guy and lived as he died. I'm just against a war with iran because our soldiers and innocent people will suffer as a result, but we didn't lose anything when this guy kicked the bucket

There isn’t going to be a war. Trump himself doesn’t want one

Hello Brother,
Heheheh. Trump. Anti-War. Funny.

[Aureumterra]

There isn’t going to be a war. Trump himself doesn’t want one

Hello Brother,
Heheheh. Trump. Anti-War. Funny.

You’ve gotten Bush and Trump confused, Trump is from the ideological subgroup of the GOP known as paleocons, who are anti-war and focus more on domestic social issues like abortion and border security

[Insaanistan]

Hello Brother,
Heheheh. Trump. Anti-War. Funny.

You’ve gotten Bush and Trump confused, Trump is from the ideological subgroup of the GOP known as paleocons, who are anti-war and focus more on domestic social issues like abortion and border security

Hello Brother,
I don’t think you understand: Trump is not anti-war. The thought of going to war with a Muslim nation that the US has hated for a long time right before election is too much to pass up. As I’ve seen by some responses on this thread and answers on the poll in my thread, many GOP members love this move.

[Northern Dependencies]

There isn’t going to be a war. Trump himself doesn’t want one

Hello Brother,
Heheheh. Trump. Anti-War. Funny.

He is, actually. Who's gotten us involved in all of these wars? Bush got us into Iraq and Afghanistan. Obama got us involved in Libya for pretty much no reason.

What wars has Trump actually started?

[Northern Dependencies]

You’ve gotten Bush and Trump confused, Trump is from the ideological subgroup of the GOP known as paleocons, who are anti-war and focus more on domestic social issues like abortion and border security

Hello Brother,
I don’t think you understand: Trump is not anti-war. The thought of going to war with a Muslim nation that the US has hated for a long time right before election is too much to pass up. As I’ve seen by some responses on this thread and answers on the poll in my thread, many GOP members love this move.

This website is not reflective of the rest of the country. Most Americans don't want another Middle East war. They just want Iran to start behaving like a normal fucking country.

[Valrifell]

Reaction? Singular? There seems to have been a variety of reactions in the thread, so not quite sure what you are on about.

The serious divisions within American society.

This says a lot about our society, nevermind that NSG isn't a representative sample of the layman shh.

[Thermodolia]

There isn’t going to be a war. Trump himself doesn’t want one

Hello Brother,
Heheheh. Trump. Anti-War. Funny.

I’m not your fucking brother

[The South Falls]

Hello Brother,
Heheheh. Trump. Anti-War. Funny.

You’ve gotten Bush and Trump confused, Trump is from the ideological subgroup of the GOP known as paleocons, who are anti-war and focus more on domestic social issues like abortion and border security

Bush was ridin' in trying to remove broccoli WMD's that didn't exist, and it doesn't look like Trump's going to go down the same path. I think that's because whatever Iran does, unless they pull a nuke out of their asses, will not be enough to start a war.

[Northern Dependencies]

You’ve gotten Bush and Trump confused, Trump is from the ideological subgroup of the GOP known as paleocons, who are anti-war and focus more on domestic social issues like abortion and border security

Bush was ridin' in trying to remove broccoli WMD's that didn't exist, and it doesn't look like Trump's going to go down the same path. I think that's because whatever Iran does, unless they pull a nuke out of their asses, will not be enough to start a war.

Because no one does. The White House has been pretty adamant that it doesn't want a war. They wanted to kill a terrorist who killed hundreds of US soldiers and was plotting to kill more. I'm sure Trump also wants to appear tough on terrorism.

Iran doesn't really want a war either. They just want to change the status quo so they can get back the grotesque nuclear deal that saved their economy from the Bush sanctions.

Nobody here actually wants a war. People need to stop being so hysterical.

[Greed and Death]

Yeah the Iranians are decades away from being able to hit the US with a nuke. Now hey do have a policy of Nuking Europe to retaliate for a US invasion.

They will nuke Israel before europe.

Why not both ?

[The Black Forrest]

They will nuke Israel before europe.

Why not both ?

I like Single Malts, Tuscany and Bordeux.

[The South Falls]

Bush was ridin' in trying to remove broccoli WMD's that didn't exist, and it doesn't look like Trump's going to go down the same path. I think that's because whatever Iran does, unless they pull a nuke out of their asses, will not be enough to start a war.

Because no one does. The White House has been pretty adamant that it doesn't want a war. They wanted to kill a terrorist who killed hundreds of US soldiers and was plotting to kill more. I'm sure Trump also wants to appear tough on terrorism.

Iran doesn't really want a war either. They just want to change the status quo so they can get back the grotesque nuclear deal that saved their economy from the Bush sanctions.

Nobody here actually wants a war. People need to stop being so hysterical.

That's exactly what I said. Also, for the purposes of preventing Iran from producing nuclear weapons, the Iran deal succeeded.

[Bear Stearns]

Yeah the Iranians are decades away from being able to hit the US with a nuke. Now hey do have a policy of Nuking Europe to retaliate for a US invasion.

They will nuke Israel before europe.

They'll nuke Saudi Arabia before either of those.

[Aureumterra]

Yeah, keep telling yourself that.

Yeah the Iranians are decades away from being able to hit the US with a nuke. Now hey do have a policy of Nuking Europe to retaliate for a US invasion.

Iran's nuclear weapons program circa 2020

[Genivaria]

The US is democratic... at home. Since I'm not American, though, I find it difficult to care about this. What concerns me is how much the US cares about freedom in other countries, and it is blatantly apparent to me that they care exactly as much as the Chinese care; that is to say, not at all.

Countries don't have friends, they have interests, and it's time to stop pretending that the US is any friend of ours just because they happen to share our form of government.

In terms of the situation in the Middle East, which is the subject of this thread, the US isn't democracy and the US isn't freedom. The United States represents war, pure and simple.

Are you just going to conveniently forget about Japan, South Korea, or Israel? All countries the US had influence over which began to thrive? This isn't a fucking cookie cutter, what do you think would happen if the US had full control of Iran or Iraq's government? I'll tell you right now it certainly wont be worse than what the Chinese government will do.

No you see the US is the Great Satan, a cartoonishly evil mustache twirling villain and nuance is fascism.