Iran vs the US Megathread

[Greed and Death]

I just put your entire retirement fund in the arms dealing business. Are you sure.

I'm no Dick Cheney.

Yeah but I work in finance and I control 90% of the worlds 401ks and IRAs. So your money is in weapons.

[Tarsonis]

I'm no Dick Cheney.

Yeah but I work in finance and I control 90% of the worlds 401ks and IRAs. So your money is in weapons.

It's a growth industry.

[Nakena]

https://www.newsweek.com/iran-responds-donald-trumps-navy-threat-warns-it-will-defend-its-territory-1499593


How cute, Iran thinks its floatilla of toys can go head to head with the 5th fleet.

Land and airbased missilespam can get nasty though.

[Questarian New Yorkshire]

https://www.newsweek.com/iran-responds-donald-trumps-navy-threat-warns-it-will-defend-its-territory-1499593


How cute, Iran thinks its floatilla of toys can go head to head with the 5th fleet.

Land and airbased missilespam can get nasty though.

Iran doesn't really have anything that can scare the US Navy.

[The Alma Mater]

Land and airbased missilespam can get nasty though.

Iran doesn't really have anything that can scare the US Navy.

They can cough at them.

[Nakena]

Land and airbased missilespam can get nasty though.

Iran doesn't really have anything that can scare the US Navy.

It cannot win. It can cause some damage. But the retiliation will wreck whatever they have. Supposedly they didn aimed their Scuds too closely on the base back in January.

[Tarsonis]

https://www.newsweek.com/iran-responds-donald-trumps-navy-threat-warns-it-will-defend-its-territory-1499593


How cute, Iran thinks its floatilla of toys can go head to head with the 5th fleet.

Land and airbased missilespam can get nasty though.

That's what the duck is for.

[Tarsonis]

Iran doesn't really have anything that can scare the US Navy.

It cannot win. It can cause some damage. But the retiliation will wreck whatever they have. Supposedly they didn aimed their Scuds too closely on the base back in January.

Thats because their missiles have an accuracy window of 300-500 meters. Theyre basically sophisticated mortars. Compare that to the US Tomahawk, which is accurate within 1-3 meters.

[Nakena]

Land and airbased missilespam can get nasty though.

That's what the duck is for.

The Duck comes into play when everything else has already previously failed.

[Questarian New Yorkshire]

Iran doesn't really have anything that can scare the US Navy.

It cannot win. It can cause some damage. But the retiliation will wreck whatever they have. Supposedly they didn aimed their Scuds too closely on the base back in January.

That's right. For Iran the measure of resistance will be whether they look more like Argentines in 1982, or Iranians in 1988.

For instance, of the 23 escort ships British brought to Falklands, Argentines were able to attack and successfully hit 16. Of the 16 attacked, four were sunk.

The Falklands was fought with roughly equivalent systems on both sides. Argentines had some poor luck because their bombs were old and didn't fuse properly, and British had some luck that Argentines had only acquired six Exocets in buildup to war.

Of course Iran has more ships and more missiles, but the US equipment and force strength is simply too much. The main thing will be whether Iran can even attack US ships or not. Unlike the Falklands they will have no requirements to stay in the same place and Iran doesn't have any sophisticated targeting acquisition systems. At all. That's a huge problem for them. An anti-shipping missile is only as good as the quality of the target acquisition data, which in almost all cases is the most difficult component.

[Bromagia]

Don't be ridiculous. Of course you don't treat the two the same. Shoot down a Russian jet and there's going to be a lot of headaches going around, moreso than if you'd done nothing.

Sink an Iranian boat and Iranian militants stop harassing you with boats and their gov just has to eat it.

Is that like "assassinate an Iranian general and militants stop setting off bombs and mortars and rockets?" How'd that work out again?

And one last word on the subject of the 2016 election. Russia's interference, like Republican gerrymandering, needless ID requirements, etc., was aimed at suppressing the vote for Clinton. Fewer then 78,000 votes in three states out of over 136 million cast gave the worst president in American history his margin of "victory" (btw he lost the popular vote by 3 million). That's enough evidence for me, even without Trump's abject submission to Putin and all things Russia.

Worked out fine.

I'm not sure how your failure to understand the electoral college is relevant.

[Greed and Death]

Yeah but I work in finance and I control 90% of the worlds 401ks and IRAs. So your money is in weapons.

It's a growth industry.

Exactly just doing my fiduciary duty

[Insaanistan]

For us. Not for the Middle Easterners who died because of the proxy wars. Don’t get me wrong: Iran and Saudi Arabia are also to blame, but we can’t ignore what consequences our actions have simply because they don’t affect us specifically.

Those proxy wars were already happening. Killing Soleimani didn't cause those.

They may already have been happening, but they sure escalated. Have you noticed the Houthis seem to be more and more agressive towards Saudi Arabia ever since Soleimani’s successful assassination and that Iranian general in Yemen’s failed one?

[Tarsonis]

Those proxy wars were already happening. Killing Soleimani didn't cause those.

They may already have been happening, but they sure escalated. Have you noticed the Houthis seem to be more and more agressive towards Saudi Arabia ever since Soleimani’s successful assassination and that Iranian general in Yemen’s failed one?

That's like blaming Russia for the Battle of the Bulge dude

[The Two Jerseys]

More Than 100 Troops Have Brain Injuries From Iran Missile Strike, Pentagon Says


So the Pentagon apparently blew simple concussion way out of proportion. Sure. Way to support the troops. Are you the Black Knight and amputations are just a scratch to you?

Concussions are classified as TBI's dude. Sounds more like NY Times is using the more dire sounding term for effect.

This whole "Trump lied about the injuries" thing pisses me off. Everyone I know who's ever had a concussion didn't start feeling the effects until a few hours later, I'd bet good money that all those concussed soldiers felt fine at first and didn't actually seek medical attention until after the initial casualty assessment had been taken.

[North German Realm]

Those proxy wars were already happening. Killing Soleimani didn't cause those.

They may already have been happening, but they sure escalated. Have you noticed the Houthis seem to be more and more agressive towards Saudi Arabia ever since Soleimani’s successful assassination and that Iranian general in Yemen’s failed one?

Actually by all accounts, the situation has gotten better after Soleimani was put down like the dog he was. Qa'ani isn't as charismatic as Soleimani was, which means Iranian-aligned terrorist organizations in Iraq and Yemen aren't "united" like they were back in his time. This can be viewed easier in Iraq, because unlike Yemen it doesn't have a multinational coalition making a mess of things too.