Iran vs the US Megathread

[Satuga]

Well all the WW3 fearmongering didn’t age well

People got way too jumpy way too fast, this kind of skittishness is what caused the stock market crash of 1929.

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

*whew" I can safely believe things went well then. Thank you for insightful commentary as ever.

How nice it must be to live in a world where facts don't get in the way of blinkered ignorance.

Huh, you conveniently ignore my post. Anyways, Hamas will also have critical consequences from the loss of Soleimani, so expect Israel to do something in the near future

[Satuga]

Huh, you conveniently ignore my post. Anyways, Hamas will also have critical consequences from the loss of Soleimani, so expect Israel to do something in the near future

If it's against the terrorist group Hamas then id say let Israel do what they need to as long as they don't kill citizens needlessly.

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

Well all the WW3 fearmongering didn’t age well

I'm not sure anyone thought that it would be WW3 even if a war did happen, and if they did, they seriously overestimated how much the other great powers care about Iran. What it probably will be, though, is Afghanistan 2.0.
The US has been trying and failing to kill every Middle Easterner who hates America for almost twenty years, and Iran would be by far the largest, strongest, and most difficult target we could possibly go for. Not exactly something I'm looking forward to.

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

Huh, you conveniently ignore my post. Anyways, Hamas will also have critical consequences from the loss of Soleimani, so expect Israel to do something in the near future

If it's against the terrorist group Hamas then id say let Israel do what they need to as long as they don't kill citizens needlessly.

Much like with the Houthis, Soleimani is believed to have orchestrated Hamas operations and is partly the reason they still exist. Although they won’t be obliterated, they are significantly at loss now without one of their primary masterminds.

[Satuga]

Well all the WW3 fearmongering didn’t age well

I'm not sure anyone thought that it would be WW3 even if a war did happen, and if they did, they seriously overestimated how much the other great powers care about Iran. What it probably will be, though, is Afghanistan 2.0.
The US has been trying and failing to kill every Middle Easterner who hates America for almost twenty years, and Iran would be by far the largest, strongest, and most difficult target we could possibly go for. Not exactly something I'm looking forward to.

The US has been trying to kill mostly terrorists who hate America, and a lot of the time other Muslims. US soldiers aren't just going around interrogating every Muslim on whether they like the US or not, in fact a lot of soldiers try to be friendly toward the public they're stationed at.

[North German Realm]

Huh, you conveniently ignore my post. Anyways, Hamas will also have critical consequences from the loss of Soleimani, so expect Israel to do something in the near future

If it's against the terrorist group Hamas then id say let Israel do what they need to as long as they don't kill citizens needlessly.

Depending on who you trust, this would be impossible, given Hamas (just like their masters in the IRGC) has a tendency of putting its military stuff in residential zones.

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

Well all the WW3 fearmongering didn’t age well

I'm not sure anyone thought that it would be WW3

Pretty sure someone (New Haven America?) posted a scenario where a war with Iran turns into WW3 somehow, and China and Russia randomly jump in or something like that, as if it was a Natiosntates Roleplay. Just leads me to believe that people blindly listen to Twitter and Reddit enough to believe that WW3 was going to happen

[North German Realm]

I'm not sure anyone thought that it would be WW3

Pretty sure someone (New Haven America?) posted a scenario where a war with Iran turns into WW3 somehow, and China and Russia randomly jump in or something like that, as if it was a Natiosntates Roleplay. Just leads me to believe that people blindly listen to Twitter and Reddit enough to believe that WW3 was going to happen

Then there was IM who wished for Russia and/or the "Glorious People's Republic of" China to interfere in a possible war with Iran.

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

I'm not sure anyone thought that it would be WW3 even if a war did happen, and if they did, they seriously overestimated how much the other great powers care about Iran. What it probably will be, though, is Afghanistan 2.0.
The US has been trying and failing to kill every Middle Easterner who hates America for almost twenty years, and Iran would be by far the largest, strongest, and most difficult target we could possibly go for. Not exactly something I'm looking forward to.

The US has been trying to kill mostly terrorists who hate America, and a lot of the time other Muslims. US soldiers aren't just going around interrogating every Muslim on whether they like the US or not, in fact a lot of soldiers try to be friendly toward the public they're stationed at.

Thank you for focusing on the obvious hyperbole as if it were the only thing I said.

[Satuga]

Depending on who you trust, this would be impossible, given Hamas (just like their masters in the IRGC) has a tendency of putting its military stuff in residential zones.

needlessly

Hamas is a terrorist group that often puts the public in harms way to achieve their goals, civilian casualties are unfortunate but hard to avoid when dealing with terrorist like Hamas.

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

I'm not sure anyone thought that it would be WW3 even if a war did happen, and if they did, they seriously overestimated how much the other great powers care about Iran. What it probably will be, though, is Afghanistan 2.0.
The US has been trying and failing to kill every Middle Easterner who hates America for almost twenty years, and Iran would be by far the largest, strongest, and most difficult target we could possibly go for. Not exactly something I'm looking forward to.

The US has been trying to kill mostly terrorists who hate America, and a lot of the time other Muslims. US soldiers aren't just going around interrogating every Muslim on whether they like the US or not, in fact a lot of soldiers try to be friendly toward the public they're stationed at.

We didn’t have much interaction with the locals when I was stationed in Iraq. Most of them had evacuated to other cities outside of conflict zones

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

I'm not sure anyone thought that it would be WW3

Pretty sure someone (New Haven America?) posted a scenario where a war with Iran turns into WW3 somehow, and China and Russia randomly jump in or something like that, as if it was a Natiosntates Roleplay. Just leads me to believe that people blindly listen to Twitter and Reddit enough to believe that WW3 was going to happen

To rephrase: I'm not sure anyone worth listening to on the matter thought that it would be WW3. NSG is a breeding ground for boiling hot takes whether or not those takes make any sense at all, and given enough effort, you can spin just about anything into WW3.

[Satuga]

The US has been trying to kill mostly terrorists who hate America, and a lot of the time other Muslims. US soldiers aren't just going around interrogating every Muslim on whether they like the US or not, in fact a lot of soldiers try to be friendly toward the public they're stationed at.

Thank you for focusing on the obvious hyperbole as if it were the only thing I said.

It was the only thing I had a remark on, the other stuff you said either I agreed with or didn't have a problem with. So yes I focused on the part that I wanted to discuss about.

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

Pretty sure someone (New Haven America?) posted a scenario where a war with Iran turns into WW3 somehow, and China and Russia randomly jump in or something like that, as if it was a Natiosntates Roleplay. Just leads me to believe that people blindly listen to Twitter and Reddit enough to believe that WW3 was going to happen

To rephrase: I'm not sure anyone worth listening to on the matter thought that it would be WW3. NSG is a breeding ground for boiling hot takes whether or not those takes make any sense at all, and given enough effort, you can spin just about anything into WW3.

Not just NSG, but Twitter and Reddit as well, r/politics was spewing more bullshit about Iran than Mike Pompeo over the last few days. And even though it’s just random people on the internet, other random people (thousands, if not millions) read these posts, a dangerous thing in the modern world

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

Thank you for focusing on the obvious hyperbole as if it were the only thing I said.

It was the only thing I had a remark on, the other stuff you said either I agreed with or didn't have a problem with. So yes I focused on the part that I wanted to discuss about.

Now that I think about it, I probably should've made it clear that I wasn't being literal. Sarcasm doesn't mesh well with the Internet.

[Satuga]

It was the only thing I had a remark on, the other stuff you said either I agreed with or didn't have a problem with. So yes I focused on the part that I wanted to discuss about.

Now that I think about it, I probably should've made it clear that I wasn't being literal. Sarcasm doesn't mesh well with the Internet.

Yeah thats a common problem on the internet.

[North German Realm]

Hmm
Ignore the Persian and Hajizadeh's commenting on what the IRGC was "prepared to do in a limited engagement", etc (basically he's saying they were planning to shoot up to a few hundred missiles for a duration of 3-7 days in case of a limited engagement, and were prepared to go up to a few thousand if necessary). but what needs to be said is that the IR is pretty openly admitting that the terrorist organizations behind the guy giving the statement are part of the Iranian Regime's authority. If the US and its allies are intelligent, they'll stop accepting plausible deniability when (and it is inevitable) one of these cunts starts throwing missiles around again.

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

Hmm
Ignore the Persian and Hajizadeh's commenting on what the IRGC was "prepared to do in a limited engagement", etc (basically he's saying they were planning to shoot up to a few hundred missiles for a duration of 3-7 days in case of a limited engagement, and were prepared to go up to a few thousand if necessary). but what needs to be said is that the IR is pretty openly admitting that the terrorist organizations behind the guy giving the statement are part of the Iranian Regime's authority. If the US and its allies are intelligent, they'll stop accepting plausible deniability when (and it is inevitable) one of these cunts starts throwing missiles around again.

Didn't we justify Soleimani's assassination based on the fact that we suspected he controlled Hamas, or is that not what the administration is saying and it's just how every right-winger justifies it?

[North German Realm]

Hmm
Ignore the Persian and Hajizadeh's commenting on what the IRGC was "prepared to do in a limited engagement", etc (basically he's saying they were planning to shoot up to a few hundred missiles for a duration of 3-7 days in case of a limited engagement, and were prepared to go up to a few thousand if necessary). but what needs to be said is that the IR is pretty openly admitting that the terrorist organizations behind the guy giving the statement are part of the Iranian Regime's authority. If the US and its allies are intelligent, they'll stop accepting plausible deniability when (and it is inevitable) one of these cunts starts throwing missiles around again.

Didn't we justify Soleimani's assassination based on the fact that we suspected he controlled Hamas, or is that not what the administration is saying and it's just how every right-winger justifies it?

You're not looking at the larger picture. The IR has basically used plausible deniability to dodge the consequences of every bit and piece of terrorism done to Israel, the KSA, UAE, etc. etc. by doing it through their satellites and proxies. If another Aramco happens, they can't dodge the consequences.

[Tarsonis]

Hmm
Ignore the Persian and Hajizadeh's commenting on what the IRGC was "prepared to do in a limited engagement", etc (basically he's saying they were planning to shoot up to a few hundred missiles for a duration of 3-7 days in case of a limited engagement, and were prepared to go up to a few thousand if necessary). but what needs to be said is that the IR is pretty openly admitting that the terrorist organizations behind the guy giving the statement are part of the Iranian Regime's authority. If the US and its allies are intelligent, they'll stop accepting plausible deniability when (and it is inevitable) one of these cunts starts throwing missiles around again.

“Thousands of missiles”


Last figure I saw, Iran only had about 200 total

[North German Realm]

Hmm
Ignore the Persian and Hajizadeh's commenting on what the IRGC was "prepared to do in a limited engagement", etc (basically he's saying they were planning to shoot up to a few hundred missiles for a duration of 3-7 days in case of a limited engagement, and were prepared to go up to a few thousand if necessary). but what needs to be said is that the IR is pretty openly admitting that the terrorist organizations behind the guy giving the statement are part of the Iranian Regime's authority. If the US and its allies are intelligent, they'll stop accepting plausible deniability when (and it is inevitable) one of these cunts starts throwing missiles around again.

“Thousands of missiles”


Last figure I saw, Iran only had about 200 total

I'm only roughly summarizing what he said, I can't confirm nor deny it.

[Ifreann]

And Congress is clutching its pearls

Congress needs to do more than clutch its pearls. Congress needs to reassert its Article I authority to decide when and if we go to war, and with whom. Presidents have usurped far too much of Congress' power over the years, and we really need to put that power back where it belongs.

I expect that this could only happen under a president that actually wanted to get the US out of all its wars, not a president who just said that to get elected.

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The point I was making was entirely germane to the conversation I was having before you showed up and started telling me that doing war forever is good, actually.


Haha, are you actually arguing in favour of America being at war literally forever? Well shit, that sure is a take and a half. I guess there's no need for an exit strategy if you plan to never exit.

I mean I am just being realistic. You just keep beating these groups down, you can only keep them down by beating them down.

Kind of like HIV, you will be on the suppression drugs forever.

Except you're talking about killing people. Lots of people, constantly, forever. And for what, because you're afraid that if you let Iraqis and Afghans run their own countries that they'll be mad at you? The fuck do you expect?

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

I mean I am just being realistic. You just keep beating these groups down, you can only keep them down by beating them down.

Kind of like HIV, you will be on the suppression drugs forever.

Except you're talking about killing people. Lots of people, constantly, forever. And for what, because you're afraid that if you let Iraqis and Afghans run their own countries that they'll be mad at you? The fuck do you expect?

I never understood this argument. Many of the terrorists we're fighting have probably been facing a US invasion for as long as they can remember, in some cases longer than they've been alive, the US (or at least the current US president) openly hates them, and we seem to have no objective other than killing people for the sake of killing people in the vain hope that if we kill enough people, maybe they'll stop hating us, as if killing people's friends and family somehow gets them to like us better. Iraqis and Afghans have every right to hate us after the hell we've put them through, it's no wonder that terrorist organizations are finding so many willing recruits.

[Vistulange]

Hmm
Ignore the Persian and Hajizadeh's commenting on what the IRGC was "prepared to do in a limited engagement", etc (basically he's saying they were planning to shoot up to a few hundred missiles for a duration of 3-7 days in case of a limited engagement, and were prepared to go up to a few thousand if necessary). but what needs to be said is that the IR is pretty openly admitting that the terrorist organizations behind the guy giving the statement are part of the Iranian Regime's authority. If the US and its allies are intelligent, they'll stop accepting plausible deniability when (and it is inevitable) one of these cunts starts throwing missiles around again.

Didn't we justify Soleimani's assassination based on the fact that we suspected he controlled Hamas, or is that not what the administration is saying and it's just how every right-winger justifies it?

Ssshhh, don't burst the bubble.