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Nuroblav
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Postby Nuroblav » Fri Jan 03, 2020 2:51 am

I'd use the term 'RIP' for anyone really. I don't see how anyone would be offended.
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Fri Jan 03, 2020 4:23 am

Surely the sentiment is more important than the words used to express it?
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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Jan 03, 2020 4:35 am

Jews not saying rest in peace is news to me.
I would like to see a source for that.
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Postby Big Jim P » Fri Jan 03, 2020 4:37 am

I have no belief in an afterlife, but I use rest in peace.
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Postby The Free Joy State » Fri Jan 03, 2020 4:39 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Surely the sentiment is more important than the words used to express it?

^This.

Of course, if I ever came across someone who was offended by it -- hasn't been an issue yet -- I'd find another way to express sympathy. But "rest in peace" has been absorbed as a common way to express condolences, completely removed from any religious connotations at all.
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Postby Valentine Z » Fri Jan 03, 2020 4:40 am

Rest in Peace, my condolences, may they be in a better afterlife, I'm so sorry to hear that, I'm sorry for your loss...

I use quite a variety and none of them minded. At least, in my circle of friends and families. People shouldn't mind that too much when they know that you mean it well and you are sorry for their loss.
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Postby Chan Island » Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:11 am

The Two Jerseys wrote:The professionally offended strike again...


Looks like one of these again tbh.

Personally I use RIP even as an atheist. Always interpreted it as wishing the grave isn’t disturbed and that people don’t desecrate their memory.

And it’s fine unless you have a solid alternative.
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Postby Estanglia » Fri Jan 03, 2020 6:35 am

Firstly, who the fuck gets offended over people expressing their sympathies because you don't like the origins of the way they did it? Not even the way they did it, but the fact that it came from/was popularised by a particular group? Sounds like you're just trying to get offended over anything tbh.

Secondly, what alternative do you suggest to RIP? If you're gonna tell us we can't use a particular term at least offer us an alternative.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Fri Jan 03, 2020 6:40 am

Never immediately assume that people on the internet who take offence at something are in any way representative of the community they're from (or claim to be from).

There's a lot of shit-stirrers and attention-seekers. You need to ask real people before coming to conclusions.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Jan 03, 2020 6:51 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Surely the sentiment is more important than the words used to express it?


Well in jewish tradition you dont wish peace to a mourner, or even greet them first, as it is the mourners prerogative of when to come out of contemplation of the deceased to talk to you.

That said you do wish the dead to rest in peace. The phrasing translates to something like may the [dead person]'s soul find its peace, but it's essentially RIP.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Fri Jan 03, 2020 6:53 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Never immediately assume that people on the internet who take offence at something are in any way representative of the community they're from (or claim to be from).

There's a lot of shit-stirrers and attention-seekers. You need to ask real people before coming to conclusions.


I agree. The outrage crowd online aren't real people
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Postby Drongonia » Fri Jan 03, 2020 6:54 am

I'm pretty sure Rest In Peace has transcended religion at this point and is the standard respectful remark for westerners to pay their dead.

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Postby Nuroblav » Fri Jan 03, 2020 7:34 am

I guess it's just the usual crowd trying to poke offense out of absolutely. We've had clapping, cowboy hats, now this. What next? Christmas trees? Rubix cubes? Breathing?
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Postby Totenborg » Fri Jan 03, 2020 7:38 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Never immediately assume that people on the internet who take offence at something are in any way representative of the community they're from (or claim to be from).

There's a lot of shit-stirrers and attention-seekers. You need to ask real people before coming to conclusions.

Bingo. If it sounds too absurd to be common, it probably is.
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Postby Marxist Germany » Fri Jan 03, 2020 7:39 am

Another strike by the woke culture.
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Postby The Grims » Fri Jan 03, 2020 8:07 am

Rojava Free State wrote:
US-SSR wrote:Here we have what we call a "teachable moment" in which the lesson is that no, not everyone belongs to the (currently) majority religious tradition and different traditions use different expressions. It's the same deal with "happy holidays;" corporations that want to sell more stuff in the N. Hemisphere winter aren't anti-Christian, they just don't want to turn away shoppers who worship differently...or not at all.

Personally I plan to have an open bar set up on my coffin with a sign reading "Have a Drink on Me"...


Why would other shoppers be turned away by the phrase merry christmas?


Would you feel welcome in a place filled with "black pride!" celebration banners everywhere if not black yourself ?
Some people would not

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Postby Geneviev » Fri Jan 03, 2020 9:45 am

I don't see anything offensive about RIP. And I never heard about people being offended by it.
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Postby Diopolis » Fri Jan 03, 2020 9:58 am

Antityranicals wrote:RIP doesn't actually stand for "Rest In Peace," but for the latin "Requiescat In Pace." Of course, they mean the same thing, but RIP predates English.

Technically, it stands for requiescant in pace, which means ‘may they rest in peace’, not simply Rest In Peace.
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Postby Asle Leopolka » Fri Jan 03, 2020 10:00 am

Why do people seem to go out of their way to incite outrage? I imagine you'd be hard pressed to find any bereaved person who is upset by the fact that "Rest in Peace" has Christian origins, let alone cares.

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Postby Aclion » Fri Jan 03, 2020 10:15 am

So not only are the people supposedly upset not the ones making a fuss, but the reason for the offense isn't even true...
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Postby Salus Maior » Fri Jan 03, 2020 10:17 am

Nobody's forcing their religion on someone by saying RIP. The synagogue just needs to get over themselves and stop policing what other people say when they're clearly just being well-wishers.
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Postby Salus Maior » Fri Jan 03, 2020 10:20 am

The Grims wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
Why would other shoppers be turned away by the phrase merry christmas?


Would you feel welcome in a place filled with "black pride!" celebration banners everywhere if not black yourself ?
Some people would not


"Black pride" and "Merry Christmas" aren't equivalent.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Jan 03, 2020 10:23 am

Asle Leopolka wrote:Why do people seem to go out of their way to incite outrage? I imagine you'd be hard pressed to find any bereaved person who is upset by the fact that "Rest in Peace" has Christian origins, let alone cares.

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Well it has Hebrew origination, so if you said it was a christian thing I would be annoyed.
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Postby Kowani » Fri Jan 03, 2020 10:27 am

This is profoundly ridiculous.
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Postby Panslav » Fri Jan 03, 2020 10:29 am

Let people use whatever they wanna use. In fact, it's about time religion goes away from politics, or even better, from everywhere. It's an old, rotten tradition that has no place in modern society. People get offended over faith too much, almost like it's relevant. It is really not. Let religion rest in peace and give way to progress.
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