2020 Taiwanese Election

[Catburg]

Same thing.

Free Guangdong next.

Free Hong Kong first. We cannot bear CCP's oppression anymore. Not sure if majority of mainlanders in Guangdong want freedom and democracy as much as we do.

Of course. It is a step by step phenomenon.

[Pasong Tirad]

The greens have won.

Most unfortunately.

It's still being counted live right now but the gap is too large.

One of my friends while we were watching the votes still being counted here, said "it's time to change the result with military force to save the Republic of China."

I was like: "Unfortunately, we don't have the numbers here. If you changed the votes to soldiers as an estimate."

Christ, your views are despicable. Absolutely fucking despicable. It's good at least to see that your mask is completely off.

[Catburg]

The greens have won.

Most unfortunately.

It's still being counted live right now but the gap is too large.

One of my friends while we were watching the votes still being counted here, said "it's time to change the result with military force to save the Republic of China."

I was like: "Unfortunately, we don't have the numbers here. If you changed the votes to soldiers as an estimate."

Christ, your views are despicable. Absolutely fucking despicable. It's good at least to see that your mask is completely off.

This dude said that some of his relatives can vote in the election (for KMT) so it is clear that he is yet another victim of Sinostatist brainwashing.

[Bombadil]

It's telling that the only people able to freely vote, as indicative of HK and Taiwan elections, freely vote against CCP rule.. both by near 60%.

Although it's perhaps disturbing that 35-40% vote for.

I also note how quickly celebrities, companies and other vocally express their concern for Australia fires, which is absolutely fine, but what isn't fine is their silence on China atrocities.

[Infected Mushroom]

It's telling that the only people able to freely vote, as indicative of HK and Taiwan elections, freely vote against CCP rule.. both by near 60%.

Although it's perhaps disturbing that 35-40% vote for.

I also note how quickly celebrities, companies and other vocally express their concern for Australia fires, which is absolutely fine, but what isn't fine is their silence on China atrocities.

It demonstrates that democracy doesn’t always lead to good governance or reasonable decisions

In fact, it’s likely to act as a force of division and Balkanization

[Catburg]

It's telling that the only people able to freely vote, as indicative of HK and Taiwan elections, freely vote against CCP rule.. both by near 60%.

Although it's perhaps disturbing that 35-40% vote for.

I also note how quickly celebrities, companies and other vocally express their concern for Australia fires, which is absolutely fine, but what isn't fine is their silence on China atrocities.

It demonstrates that democracy doesn’t always lead to good governance or reasonable decisions

In fact, it’s likely to act as a force of division and Balkanization

We need Balkanization of the world for domestic tribalism destroys democracies.

[Infected Mushroom]

Oh my god...

They’re playing Frozen’s Let It Go at this election dinner/gathering. (I play this a thousand times in school to calm the kids down).

In the ROC too?

Elsa really is all powerful.

What... does Elsa... have to do with the KMT again?

Sigh

[Bombadil]

It's telling that the only people able to freely vote, as indicative of HK and Taiwan elections, freely vote against CCP rule.. both by near 60%.

Although it's perhaps disturbing that 35-40% vote for.

I also note how quickly celebrities, companies and other vocally express their concern for Australia fires, which is absolutely fine, but what isn't fine is their silence on China atrocities.

It demonstrates that democracy doesn’t always lead to good governance or reasonable decisions

In fact, it’s likely to act as a force of division and Balkanization

You have always, and consistently, been contrary to both facts and opinion - you'd think you'd question your beliefs but, and entirely predictably for a scared person, you double down instead.

You're thoroughly explainable and predictable by basic psychology.

You should feel sad.

[Infected Mushroom]

The election results were expected but I am still somewhat disappointed.

However, I will not give up hope

[Pilipinas and Malaya]

I am so happy that Taiwan chooses Freedom and Democracy over fake economic interests provided by CCP.

Same thing.

Free Guangdong next.

If this were to happen, Shanghai could be a good place to solidify support for a free China. Fudan is one of the most liberal institutions in China and the city is a key place. Tickle just the right spots and China should have more protests than it should have on its hands.

I’m happy for Taiwan.

[Novus America]

It's telling that the only people able to freely vote, as indicative of HK and Taiwan elections, freely vote against CCP rule.. both by near 60%.

Although it's perhaps disturbing that 35-40% vote for.

I also note how quickly celebrities, companies and other vocally express their concern for Australia fires, which is absolutely fine, but what isn't fine is their silence on China atrocities.

It demonstrates that democracy doesn’t always lead to good governance or reasonable decisions

In fact, it’s likely to act as a force of division and Balkanization

Given that Taiwan is far better than then the CCP occupied territories this is clearly wrong. Taiwan is better governed than the mainland.

[Novus America]

Same thing.

Free Guangdong next.

Free Hong Kong first. We cannot bear CCP's oppression anymore. Not sure if the majority of mainlanders in Guangdong want freedom and democracy as much as we do.

Free all China. CCP delenda est.

[Infected Mushroom]

It demonstrates that democracy doesn’t always lead to good governance or reasonable decisions

In fact, it’s likely to act as a force of division and Balkanization

Given that Taiwan is far better than then the CCP occupied territories this is clearly wrong. Taiwan is better governed than the mainland.

I disagree with that. The PRC remains a world power.

[Novus America]

Given that Taiwan is far better than then the CCP occupied territories this is clearly wrong. Taiwan is better governed than the mainland.

I disagree with that. The PRC remains a world power.

Being a world power does not always benefit the people. And it is only one because of the sheer size of its population, unlike Taiwan the PRC it is not wealthy on a per capita basis.

[Infected Mushroom]

I disagree with that. The PRC remains a world power.

Being a world power does not always benefit the people. And it is only one because of the sheer size of its population, unlike Taiwan the PRC it is not wealthy on a per capita basis.

The KMT wouldn't have re-unified with the PRC yet. That's not the party platform. They just favour better economic ties with China (for eventual reunification).

It's the policy that makes the most sense (in my view). The green party is going to raise defense spending, further militarise the region, and promote more identity politics. Furthermore, in moving further away from their identity as Han Chinese/Republic of China and embracing a more locally defined identity, they give up all claims and chances of being part of a great power.

I honestly think the KMT would be better.

[Catburg]

I disagree with that. The PRC remains a world power.

Being a world power does not always benefit the people. And it is only one because of the sheer size of its population, unlike Taiwan the PRC it is not wealthy on a per capita basis.

Exactly. Fuck Sinostatism and liberate the Chinese.

[Catburg]

Being a world power does not always benefit the people. And it is only one because of the sheer size of its population, unlike Taiwan the PRC it is not wealthy on a per capita basis.

The KMT wouldn't have re-unified with the PRC yet. That's not the party platform. They just favour better economic ties with China (for eventual reunification).

It's the policy that makes the most sense (in my view). The green party is going to raise defense spending, further militarise the region, and promote more identity politics. Furthermore, in moving further away from their identity as Han Chinese/Republic of China and embracing a more locally defined identity, they give up all claims and chances of being part of a great power.

I honestly think the KMT would be better.

Fuck statism. Yeah, great power. The Sinostate is rich. Does that make the Chinese aka subjects of the Sinostate rich? Nope. The Sinostate is corrupt, robs the Chinese people and gives the money to Sub-Saharan Africa. Ms. Xi kissed a random Rwandan girl but won’t ever touch a random Chinese girl. Is that fucking awesome?

I think we should deport all communist leaders to Africa. If they care about Africans so much to the point of robbing the Chinese to aid Africa I think they should remain leaders but need to find their right countries.

[Novus America]

Being a world power does not always benefit the people. And it is only one because of the sheer size of its population, unlike Taiwan the PRC it is not wealthy on a per capita basis.

The KMT wouldn't have re-unified with the PRC yet. That's not the party platform. They just favour better economic ties with China (for eventual reunification).

It's the policy that makes the most sense (in my view). The green party is going to raise defense spending, further militarise the region, and promote more identity politics. Furthermore, in moving further away from their identity as Han Chinese/Republic of China and embracing a more locally defined identity, they give up all claims and chances of being part of a great power.

I honestly think the KMT would be better.

Economic ties are a PRC Trojan Horse. The world knows the PRC uses them to impose censorship and interfere in domestic politics.

What is wrong with raising defense spending? You contradict yourself. You are obsessed with have power, but a stronger military means more power.

Yes Taiwan is losing its Chinese identity, but this is the fault of the PRC. If mainland China had a federal or confederal government that respected the rights of people, Taiwan would still be part of it. They are only moving away because the PRC is so toxic.

Anyways if it is all about being a world power why not support the (admittedly small) movement for Taiwan to join the US?
That way they can be part of a world power, but one that is very wealthy per capita, where people have rights, and they would still retain the ability to elect their own government freely.

[Infected Mushroom]

The KMT wouldn't have re-unified with the PRC yet. That's not the party platform. They just favour better economic ties with China (for eventual reunification).

It's the policy that makes the most sense (in my view). The green party is going to raise defense spending, further militarise the region, and promote more identity politics. Furthermore, in moving further away from their identity as Han Chinese/Republic of China and embracing a more locally defined identity, they give up all claims and chances of being part of a great power.

I honestly think the KMT would be better.

Economic ties are a PRC Trojan Horse. The world knows the PRC uses them to impose censorship and interfere in domestic politics.

What is wrong with raising defense spending? You contradict yourself. You are obsessed with have power, but a stronger military means more power.

Yes Taiwan is losing its Chinese identity, but this is the fault of the PRC. If mainland China had a federal or confederal government that respected the rights of people, Taiwan would still be part of it. They are only moving away because the PRC is so toxic.

Anyways if it is all about being a world power why not support the (admittedly small) movement for Taiwan to join the US?
That way they can be part of a world power, but one that is very wealthy per capita, where people have rights, and they would still retain the ability to elect their own government freely.

the people on the island are ethnic Han Chinese (mostly)

The ROC government reports that 95 to 97 percent of Taiwan's population is of Han Chinese ethnicity, which includes Hoklo, Hakka, and other ethnic groups originating from mainland China.[25][26] Over 2% of the population consists of indigenous Taiwanese.[4]

it makes no sense to discard the Republic of China identity when that is a beneficial part of the island's historical roots

No one is saying, "join the PRC now," you can do it in a few decades when things are more to your liking but the economy of the island is already bad enough as it is without further needless confrontationalism and identity politics

[Catburg]

Economic ties are a PRC Trojan Horse. The world knows the PRC uses them to impose censorship and interfere in domestic politics.

What is wrong with raising defense spending? You contradict yourself. You are obsessed with have power, but a stronger military means more power.

Yes Taiwan is losing its Chinese identity, but this is the fault of the PRC. If mainland China had a federal or confederal government that respected the rights of people, Taiwan would still be part of it. They are only moving away because the PRC is so toxic.

Anyways if it is all about being a world power why not support the (admittedly small) movement for Taiwan to join the US?
That way they can be part of a world power, but one that is very wealthy per capita, where people have rights, and they would still retain the ability to elect their own government freely.

the people on the island are ethnic Han Chinese (mostly)

The ROC government reports that 95 to 97 percent of Taiwan's population is of Han Chinese ethnicity, which includes Hoklo, Hakka, and other ethnic groups originating from mainland China.[25][26] Over 2% of the population consists of indigenous Taiwanese.[4]

it makes no sense to discard the Republic of China identity when that is a beneficial part of the island's historical roots

No one is saying, "join the PRC now," you can do it in a few decades when things are more to your liking but the economy of the island is already bad enough as it is without further needless confrontationalism and identity politics

PRC should not exist. Fuck the regime and free the people.

[Infected Mushroom]

The KMT wouldn't have re-unified with the PRC yet. That's not the party platform. They just favour better economic ties with China (for eventual reunification).

It's the policy that makes the most sense (in my view). The green party is going to raise defense spending, further militarise the region, and promote more identity politics. Furthermore, in moving further away from their identity as Han Chinese/Republic of China and embracing a more locally defined identity, they give up all claims and chances of being part of a great power.

I honestly think the KMT would be better.

Fuck statism. Yeah, great power. The Sinostate is rich. Does that make the Chinese aka subjects of the Sinostate rich? Nope. The Sinostate is corrupt, robs the Chinese people and gives the money to Sub-Saharan Africa. Ms. Xi kissed a random Rwandan girl but won’t ever touch a random Chinese girl. Is that fucking awesome?

I think we should deport all communist leaders to Africa. If they care about Africans so much to the point of robbing the Chinese to aid Africa I think they should remain leaders but need to find their right countries.

what's Africa got to do with anything?

[Catburg]

Fuck statism. Yeah, great power. The Sinostate is rich. Does that make the Chinese aka subjects of the Sinostate rich? Nope. The Sinostate is corrupt, robs the Chinese people and gives the money to Sub-Saharan Africa. Ms. Xi kissed a random Rwandan girl but won’t ever touch a random Chinese girl. Is that fucking awesome?

I think we should deport all communist leaders to Africa. If they care about Africans so much to the point of robbing the Chinese to aid Africa I think they should remain leaders but need to find their right countries.

what's Africa got to do with anything?

Because the so called leaders of China love Africa but hate the Chinese.

[Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia]

Wait, why would the KMT be pro-Beijing? What do you mean by that?

If it means what I think it means, then it seems the situation is either "suck up to Red China" or push degeneracy and moral while flipping the bird to Red China (this in itself is a moral act).

Degeneracy?

Don't mind him, he is just repeating Nazi-era propaganda that has been recycled for the 21st century. The very concept of "degeneracy " was featured prominently in Goebbels' screeds.

[Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia]

I'm rooting for a landslide victory for Tsai Ing-wen and the DPP. Let's show these Commies we will NOT be intimidated.

We all are rooting for Tsai, left and right. This goes to show just how the people rightfully despise the totalitarian oligarchy that is the CCP. We shouldn't get too complacent though, as the Beijing regime will do everything in its power to try to rig the election for Han and his cronies.

[Novus America]

Economic ties are a PRC Trojan Horse. The world knows the PRC uses them to impose censorship and interfere in domestic politics.

What is wrong with raising defense spending? You contradict yourself. You are obsessed with have power, but a stronger military means more power.

Yes Taiwan is losing its Chinese identity, but this is the fault of the PRC. If mainland China had a federal or confederal government that respected the rights of people, Taiwan would still be part of it. They are only moving away because the PRC is so toxic.

Anyways if it is all about being a world power why not support the (admittedly small) movement for Taiwan to join the US?
That way they can be part of a world power, but one that is very wealthy per capita, where people have rights, and they would still retain the ability to elect their own government freely.

the people on the island are ethnic Han Chinese (mostly)

The ROC government reports that 95 to 97 percent of Taiwan's population is of Han Chinese ethnicity, which includes Hoklo, Hakka, and other ethnic groups originating from mainland China.[25][26] Over 2% of the population consists of indigenous Taiwanese.[4]

it makes no sense to discard the Republic of China identity when that is a beneficial part of the island's historical roots

No one is saying, "join the PRC now," you can do it in a few decades when things are more to your liking but the economy of the island is already bad enough as it is without further needless confrontationalism and identity politics

Ethnicity is not everything. Ethnicity does not mean you want to be a part of another state that shares the same ethnicity. Historically Taiwan has never been part of the PRC.
The people care more about their freedom than ethnic nationalism.

And again if the PRC fell and was replaced by a halfway decent confederal or federal China, I am sure support for independence in Taiwan would dramatically drop.

The PRC is the problem, not the people of Taiwan who are just trying to protect themselves and their identity. And they have never been part of the PRC.
Han Chinese is not really meaningful anyways as it is something like being Slavic. It is a very over-broad ethnic grouping, with many different languages and cultures within it.

And the PRC will never be to their liking, under Xi it is getting worse, not better.
The only way to get a Chinese government too their liking (a free, at least somewhat representative and democratic, federal or confederal government) is for the PRC to end.

As long as the PRC exists they will not want to be part of it.

And their economy is actually doing well enough as is:
https://focustaiwan.tw/business/201912190019