2020 Taiwanese Election

[Catburg]

Wait, the Kuomintang is pro-Beijing? The same Kuomintang that fought against the Maoists? The same Kuomintang led by Chiang Kai-Shek himself? The same Kuomintang that is indisputably responsible for the continued survival of the Republic of China in Taiwan? That Kuomintang?

What a fucking disgrace. They saved the republic and now want to turn their backs on it. Absolutely repugnant.

DPP is clearly the only choice for the continuation of a free China.

Supposedly, according to what various people said here on NSG, they have gotten somewhat cozy with the CCP. I lack proper sauce though.

Lien Chan visited Beijing even back when Chen was President of Taiwan.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

Wait, the Kuomintang is pro-Beijing? The same Kuomintang that fought against the Maoists? The same Kuomintang led by Chiang Kai-Shek himself? The same Kuomintang that is indisputably responsible for the continued survival of the Republic of China in Taiwan? That Kuomintang?

What a fucking disgrace. They saved the republic and now want to turn their backs on it. Absolutely repugnant.

DPP is clearly the only choice for the continuation of a free China.

Supposedly, according to what various people said here on NSG, they have gotten somewhat cozy with the CCP. I lack proper sauce though.

Well I'd like to believe it's not true but it seems the further away we move from historical events the less people seem to care about their significance. That, and money seems to be more powerful than ethics and morals to my dismay.

[Novus America]

Supposedly, according to what various people said here on NSG, they have gotten somewhat cozy with the CCP. I lack proper sauce though.

Well I'd like to believe it's not true but it seems the further away we move from historical events the less people seem to care about their significance. That, and money seems to be more powerful than ethics and morals to my dismay.

Here are some sources: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatl ... le/587146/
https://asia.nikkei.com/Editor-s-Picks/ ... ese-voters

I hate to believe it is true but it appears to be, as the KMT supported a very pro PRC candidate this time, an has been increasingly subservient to the PRC.

But things can change. This is why the KMT needs to lose this election badly.

Hopefully if they lose badly enough they will see the error and will return to opposing the PRC.

The people of Taiwan are split on an independent Taiwan, but most of those still viewing Taiwan as China, do not want it to be part of the PRC.

The KMT needs to once again realize being pro China means opposing the CCP regime.

Then it can be a worthy party again, rebuild its aging, elderly base amongst younger people, who have no love of the CCP or PRC.

[Laeral]

Do the elections even matter ?

Are the people voted in given any power, or is it all symbolic ?

In a word, yes. Taiwan is a democratic nation (according to the 2019 Democracy Index, they're roughly as democratic as Italy and Belgium) and all leaders are elected in fair multi-party elections.

Well I'd like to believe it's not true but it seems the further away we move from historical events the less people seem to care about their significance. That, and money seems to be more powerful than ethics and morals to my dismay.

Here are some sources: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatl ... le/587146/
https://asia.nikkei.com/Editor-s-Picks/ ... ese-voters

I hate to believe it is true but it appears to be, as the KMT supported a very pro PRC candidate this time, an has been increasingly subservient to the PRC.

But things can change. This is why the KMT needs to lose this election badly.

Hopefully if they lose badly enough they will see the error and will return to opposing the PRC.

The people of Taiwan are split on an independent Taiwan, but most of those still viewing Taiwan as China, do not want it to be part of the PRC.

The KMT needs to once again realize being pro China means opposing the CCP regime.

Then it can be a worthy party again, rebuild its aging, elderly base amongst younger people, who have no love of the CCP or PRC.

The KMT really shot themselves in the foot this time with their candidates. A poll recently showed that support in Taiwan for reunification with China is at 10% (an all-time low), and the DPP's been pointing to Hong Kong as an example as what could happen to Taiwan is Beijing got more sway over the country.

And then the KMT puts Wu Sz-huai at #4 on their party list. He's best known for visiting China to hear a speech by Xi Jinping, standing for the Chinese national anthem, and appearing on Chinese state-run TV to give advice on how the Chinese People's Liberation Army could defeat the US in a war.

He's a manchurian candidate, and the DPP is calling out the KMT on it.

[Greater Persian State]

Wait, the Kuomintang is pro-Beijing? The same Kuomintang that fought against the Maoists? The same Kuomintang led by Chiang Kai-Shek himself? The same Kuomintang that is indisputably responsible for the continued survival of the Republic of China in Taiwan? That Kuomintang?

What a fucking disgrace. They saved the republic and now want to turn their backs on it. Absolutely repugnant.

DPP is clearly the only choice for the continuation of a free China.

Yeah, it's a disgrace and Dr. Sun would be ashamed.

[Bienenhalde]

Contrary to liberal propaganda, KMT is Chinese nationalist, not pro-communist by any means.

They are a party of power, not principles. Who has gotten to friendly with the powers in Beijing.
This does not make the pro Communist, because Beijing is no longer Communist in reality.

Well, since the 1990s, the Kuomintang has pursued a more conciliatory policy with Beijing, partly because of the shared belief in Chinese nationalism, but also because of the changing geopolitical landscape after the end of the Cold War and the assumption the PRC would peacefully transition to democracy sort of like the Soviet Union and communist regimes in Eastern Europe. Of course, recent events in international politics like the rise of Trump and the return of communist hardliners under Xi Jinping indicates that such a strategy based on such optimistic assumptions is no longer realistic, assuming it even was realistic in the first place. So I think maybe the KMT should adopt a more confrontational stance towards the mainland, but it is hard to say because given the recent trend towards isolationism, I am not sure how much help the ROC can expect from the US.

[Pilipinas and Malaya]

Well I'd like to believe it's not true but it seems the further away we move from historical events the less people seem to care about their significance. That, and money seems to be more powerful than ethics and morals to my dismay.

Here are some sources: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatl ... le/587146/
https://asia.nikkei.com/Editor-s-Picks/ ... ese-voters

I hate to believe it is true but it appears to be, as the KMT supported a very pro PRC candidate this time, an has been increasingly subservient to the PRC.

But things can change. This is why the KMT needs to lose this election badly.

Hopefully if they lose badly enough they will see the error and will return to opposing the PRC.

The people of Taiwan are split on an independent Taiwan, but most of those still viewing Taiwan as China, do not want it to be part of the PRC.

The KMT needs to once again realize being pro China means opposing the CCP regime.

Then it can be a worthy party again, rebuild its aging, elderly base amongst younger people, who have no love of the CCP or PRC.

They most likely will lose, given how recent polls showed dissatisfaction towards the Chinese and their actions in Hong Kong. Not a lot of people in Taiwan would vote for them given their slow change towards Beijing.

[The JELLEAIN Republic]

Do the elections even matter ?

Are the people voted in given any power, or is it all symbolic ?

I would like to apologize as at the time of this writing I was on thread and the HK thread.

I in no way had intended aspersions or doubt on the beacon of freedom and democracy that is Twain in the shadow of dystopian and autocratic communist China.


Basically I did an oopsie and should have posted on HK.

[The JELLEAIN Republic]

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[Novus America]

Here are some sources: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatl ... le/587146/
https://asia.nikkei.com/Editor-s-Picks/ ... ese-voters

I hate to believe it is true but it appears to be, as the KMT supported a very pro PRC candidate this time, an has been increasingly subservient to the PRC.

But things can change. This is why the KMT needs to lose this election badly.

Hopefully if they lose badly enough they will see the error and will return to opposing the PRC.

The people of Taiwan are split on an independent Taiwan, but most of those still viewing Taiwan as China, do not want it to be part of the PRC.

The KMT needs to once again realize being pro China means opposing the CCP regime.

Then it can be a worthy party again, rebuild its aging, elderly base amongst younger people, who have no love of the CCP or PRC.

They most likely will lose, given how recent polls showed dissatisfaction towards the Chinese and their actions in Hong Kong. Not a lot of people in Taiwan would vote for them given their slow change towards Beijing.

True, the question is will they change, sack their current leadership and adopt new stance? Or will they continue to run relics from the 90s on a 90s platform and thus continue to hemorrhage support amongst younger people?

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Let's hope Taiwan doesn't fall to pro-CCP bootlickers.

[Shrillland]

Let's hope Taiwan doesn't fall to pro-CCP bootlickers.

It won't, Tsai's basically got the election in the bag at this point.

[Greater Persian State]

Let's hope Taiwan doesn't fall to pro-CCP bootlickers.

It won't, Tsai's basically got the election in the bag at this point.

Looking forward to glorious green victory.

[TURTLESHROOM II]

Wait, why would the KMT be pro-Beijing? What do you mean by that?

If it means what I think it means, then it seems the situation is either "suck up to Red China" or push degeneracy and moral decay while flipping the bird to Red China (this in itself is a moral act). They've already gotten their foot in the door with same-sex marriage (IIRC) forced by the courts.

[Greater Persian State]

Wait, why would the KMT be pro-Beijing? What do you mean by that?

If it means what I think it means, then it seems the situation is either "suck up to Red China" or push degeneracy and moral while flipping the bird to Red China (this in itself is a moral act).

Degeneracy?

[TURTLESHROOM II]

Degeneracy?

Societal and moral decay, sexual anarchy, the breakdown of sex and marriage, etc. etc. . Think of the typical social conservative metrics.

[Greater Persian State]

Degeneracy?

Societal and moral decay, sexual anarchy, the breakdown of sex and marriage, etc. etc. . Typical social conservative metrics.

Ah, I see.


Very cool.

[TURTLESHROOM II]

With all other parties betraying Taiwan, only the socially libertine party is acceptable.

Screw Red China. That is the number one Taiwanese issue.

[Bombadil]

With its usual impeccable timing, China brings Kiribati into the fold as part of its ongoing effort to isolate Taiwan.

China’s president Xi Jinping has praised Kiribati for being “on the right side of history” after the two countries signed a memorandum of understanding in China on Monday.

The agreement, which signs the Pacific nation up to China’s belt and road initiative, comes after Kiribati severed diplomatic relations with Taiwan and established them with China in September last year.

Xi met Kiribati’s president, Taneti Maamau, in the Great Hall of the People in Beijing and thanked him for visiting China.

“Last September, China and Kiribati restored diplomatic relations based on the one-China principle and have ushered in a new chapter of bilateral cooperation,” said Xi, according to video of the meeting released by the Chinese state broadcaster CGTN. “We welcome Kiribati back to the big family of China-Pacific island cooperation.”

“Mr President and the Kiribati government stand on the right side of history,” Xi told Maamau, according to CGTN.

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I'm sure in their mindset they're thinking 'this will show the people of Taiwan how popular we are!' whereas in fact it will underscore their determination to end Taiwan's independence.

[Genivaria]

With all other parties betraying Taiwan, only the socially libertine party is acceptable.

Screw Red China. That is the number one Taiwanese issue.

When there's an existential threat on the table all other issues are removed from the table.

[Pilipinas and Malaya]

Let's hope Taiwan doesn't fall to pro-CCP bootlickers.

It won't, Tsai's basically got the election in the bag at this point.

Exactly, with disapproval of Beijing on the rise in Taiwan (90%), pretty much any pro-CCP candidate would see voting trends heading to their opponent.

[Infected Mushroom]

I'm quite excited about this.

Mainly because I will happen to be (on holiday in a few days) in the Republic of China JUST IN TIME for the elections. I will be going there with a bunch of my friends and relatives (some of which have the ROC vote, sadly, I do not). They will all be voting blue (although I don't think it will make a decisive difference).

I myself, will be part of the hype, probably turning on the TV right as the votes are being counted. I can't wait for the atmosphere.

Unfortunately, I don't think the KMT can win this time.

However, I look forward to seeing the voting booths IN PERSON and watching all the hyped up commentaries on the television.

[TURTLESHROOM II]

With all other parties betraying Taiwan, only the socially libertine party is acceptable.

Screw Red China. That is the number one Taiwanese issue.

When there's an existential threat on the table all other issues are removed from the table.

Exactly! White China's primary objective in any election should be to fiercely depend her independence and take as many possible (nonviolent) actions as neccesary to screw over China in every feasible front. Even if it means a flood of sexual deviancy and moral rot, only the socially liberal party is defying Beijing, and that is all that matters.

I hope the socially liberal party recognizes the pro-Beijing factions for what they are: traitors.

What bothers me, though, is that the KMT itself has been infiltrated by traitors! I actually refer to Taiwan as "the KMT" in everyday conversation because I first heard of it in the time period when it was Taiwan itself. I didn't even know the KMT was a political party until last year. I thought it was the faction that fled mainland China and is therefore synonymous with Taiwan itself.

That makes it more profound: people that know a little about it know about the KMT. It's that synonymous. What the heck happened? If it's gotten this bad, I feel that the KMT and the other party that split from it need to be purged. The socially liberal party, if it takes power,

For White China, a politician expressing submission to Red China, to cooperation with Beijing, to (God forbid) unification, in any front, should be considered an act of treason. The only pro-Beijing stance that should be lawful is favoring coexistence.


One last thing: are you familiar with the Taiwanese Civil Government Movement? It argues that White China was ceded to the USA in the same way places like Vanatu and Micronesia were, and unlike those nations (which should have been annexed as one state), they were never released. That, they say, makes Taiwan an American territory.

I think the Taiwanese Civil Government Movement should become a political party. Taiwan would make a great and strategic holding to American interests.

[Catburg]

We are at most two days from the election now. No matter what other stance you support if you oppose CCP you are my ally. Go Ms. Tsai!

[New Bremerton]

I'm rooting for a landslide victory for Tsai Ing-wen and the DPP. Let's show these Commies we will NOT be intimidated.