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What is your denomination?

Roman Catholic
263
38%
Eastern Orthodox
47
7%
Non-Chalcedonian (Oriental Orthodox, Church of the East, etc.)
6
1%
Anglican/Episcopalian
35
5%
Lutheran or Reformed (including Calvinist, Presbyterian, etc.)
71
10%
Methodist
16
2%
Baptist
66
9%
Other Evangelical Protestant (Pentecostal, Charismatic, etc.)
62
9%
Restorationist (LDS Movement, Jehovah's Witness, etc.)
32
5%
Other Christian
97
14%
 
Total votes : 695
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Postby Imperial Joseon » Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:11 am

Tarsonis wrote:
:eyebrow: what now?


I doubt you're reading the correct bible. :lol:
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Postby Dogmeat » Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:49 am

Imperial Joseon wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
:eyebrow: what now?


I doubt you're reading the correct bible. :lol:

Much as I disagree with Tarsonis, I'd take his Biblical expertise over yours any day, and twice on Sunday.
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:52 am

Imperial Joseon wrote:
Tarsonis wrote: :eyebrow: what now?


I doubt you're reading the correct bible. :lol:

Define "correct Bible" please.
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Postby Dogmeat » Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:54 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Imperial Joseon wrote:
I doubt you're reading the correct bible. :lol:

Define "correct Bible" please.

Probably some extremely questionable Evangelical Hangul translation.
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Postby Argotera » Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:55 am

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Postby Dylar » Tue Mar 17, 2020 10:11 am

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Postby Lost Memories » Tue Mar 17, 2020 10:17 am

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So i guess, helping your neighbor should be all those actions which directly help someone in need.
While avoiding to cause harm to others, is more along the lines of "don't cause evil".

I don't see how that is a meaningful distinction. We refrain from evil, for the good of our neighbor.

Sure. I'm not questioning the goodwill of it.

But not doing evil, isn't the same as, doing good.

Not stealing from others, isn't the same as donating to others.
Not being a serial killer doesn't make one a saint.
Not infecting others (willingly or for lack of preparedness) is the bare minimum to don't be a jackass or a dumbass, it isn't the same as treating the sick or helping them in their hardships.

Doing good, is doing something more for others.
Not causing harm to others is the bare minimum of the civil living. Doing good goes past the bare minimum.
(in the christian understanding of good, buddhists seems to stop at the don't cause harm part)
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Postby Argotera » Tue Mar 17, 2020 10:23 am

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Postby Kowani » Tue Mar 17, 2020 10:24 am

Argotera wrote:
Imperial Joseon wrote:
Well, I do think such a consideration helps, but I've never thought of that as a priority. It's not easy to love one another, especially loving your own enemies.

Certainly, it's not easy, it's literally impossible. I don't see why anyone would want to spread an illness, though.

There are some who, although not deliberately spreading it, don’t care if they do.
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Postby Argotera » Tue Mar 17, 2020 10:44 am

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Postby Tarsonis » Tue Mar 17, 2020 12:32 pm

Imperial Joseon wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
:eyebrow: what now?


I doubt you're reading the correct bible. :lol:


Perhaps explain what you mean, rather than make snide remarks
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Postby Tarsonis » Tue Mar 17, 2020 12:33 pm

Dogmeat wrote:
Imperial Joseon wrote:
I doubt you're reading the correct bible. :lol:

Much as I disagree with Tarsonis, I'd take his Biblical expertise over yours any day, and twice on Sunday.


You're just mad I used you as bait for the SuperMutants so I could snipe them.
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Ecclesiastes 1:18 "For in much wisdom is much vexation, and those who increase knowledge increase sorrow"
Thucydides: “The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools.”
1 Corinthians 5:12 "What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?"
Galatians 6:7 "Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
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Postby Imperial Joseon » Tue Mar 17, 2020 3:11 pm

Dogmeat wrote:Probably some extremely questionable Evangelical Hangul translation.


Then, homosexuality is a sin, then? Tell me, oh Oracle.
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Postby Tarsonis » Tue Mar 17, 2020 3:34 pm

Imperial Joseon wrote:
Dogmeat wrote:Probably some extremely questionable Evangelical Hangul translation.


Then, homosexuality is a sin, then? Tell me, oh Oracle.


Depends. Hence why I asked explain what you mean by saying "it's hinted at but not expressly stated."
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Ecclesiastes 1:18 "For in much wisdom is much vexation, and those who increase knowledge increase sorrow"
Thucydides: “The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools.”
1 Corinthians 5:12 "What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?"
Galatians 6:7 "Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
James I of Aragon "Have you ever considered that our position is Idolatry to the Rabbi?"
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Postby Northern Davincia » Tue Mar 17, 2020 3:52 pm

Imperial Joseon wrote:
Dogmeat wrote:Probably some extremely questionable Evangelical Hangul translation.


Then, homosexuality is a sin, then? Tell me, oh Oracle.

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Postby Tarsonis » Tue Mar 17, 2020 4:18 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Imperial Joseon wrote:
Then, homosexuality is a sin, then? Tell me, oh Oracle.

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Depends what we're talking about
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Ecclesiastes 1:18 "For in much wisdom is much vexation, and those who increase knowledge increase sorrow"
Thucydides: “The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools.”
1 Corinthians 5:12 "What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?"
Galatians 6:7 "Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
James I of Aragon "Have you ever considered that our position is Idolatry to the Rabbi?"
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Mar 17, 2020 5:56 pm

Imperial Joseon wrote:
Dogmeat wrote:Probably some extremely questionable Evangelical Hangul translation.


Then, homosexuality is a sin, then? Tell me, oh Oracle.

You made out as if you have a translation of the Bible that differs from the ones that others may be referring to; and that being the source of the discrepancy in your interpretation. Based on that, it'd help greatly if you clarified what translation you are using, and also why specifically the meaning of the parts you are alluding to are not clear.
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Postby Neanderthaland » Tue Mar 17, 2020 6:44 pm

Imperial Joseon wrote:
Dogmeat wrote:Probably some extremely questionable Evangelical Hangul translation.


Then, homosexuality is a sin, then? Tell me, oh Oracle.

Dogmeat's post was directed towards your claim that you possess a uniquely accurate Bible that Tarsonis does not. And nothing else.

You are dodging the question.
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Postby Tarsonis » Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:05 pm

Neanderthaland wrote:
Imperial Joseon wrote:
Then, homosexuality is a sin, then? Tell me, oh Oracle.

Dogmeat's post was directed towards your claim that you possess a uniquely accurate Bible that Tarsonis does not. And nothing else.

You are dodging the question.


I'm willing to bet no matter what version he's using, I have a copy somewhere. Seriously I have too many. It's a problem.
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Ecclesiastes 1:18 "For in much wisdom is much vexation, and those who increase knowledge increase sorrow"
Thucydides: “The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools.”
1 Corinthians 5:12 "What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?"
Galatians 6:7 "Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
James I of Aragon "Have you ever considered that our position is Idolatry to the Rabbi?"
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Postby Albrenia » Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:15 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Neanderthaland wrote:Dogmeat's post was directed towards your claim that you possess a uniquely accurate Bible that Tarsonis does not. And nothing else.

You are dodging the question.


I'm willing to bet no matter what version he's using, I have a copy somewhere. Seriously I have too many. It's a problem.


Are we talking a "My Strange Addiction" level here? :p

Now I'm imagining a house stacked with literally thousands of Bibles in every room.
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Postby Tarsonis » Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:18 pm

Albrenia wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
I'm willing to bet no matter what version he's using, I have a copy somewhere. Seriously I have too many. It's a problem.


Are we talking a "My Strange Addiction" level here? :p

Now I'm imagining a house stacked with literally thousands of Bibles in every room.


Not quite, that level but if I see a bible I like I can't help myself. I probably have at least 30
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Ecclesiastes 1:18 "For in much wisdom is much vexation, and those who increase knowledge increase sorrow"
Thucydides: “The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools.”
1 Corinthians 5:12 "What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?"
Galatians 6:7 "Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
James I of Aragon "Have you ever considered that our position is Idolatry to the Rabbi?"
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Postby Europa Undivided » Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:19 pm

Albrenia wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
I'm willing to bet no matter what version he's using, I have a copy somewhere. Seriously I have too many. It's a problem.


Are we talking a "My Strange Addiction" level here? :p

Now I'm imagining a house stacked with literally thousands of Bibles in every room.

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Postby Tarsonis » Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:19 pm

Europa Undivided wrote:
Albrenia wrote:
Are we talking a "My Strange Addiction" level here? :p

Now I'm imagining a house stacked with literally thousands of Bibles in every room.

Local man arrested after hoarding Bibles to sell for a profit during Bible buying panic


If only such a thing would occur
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Ecclesiastes 1:18 "For in much wisdom is much vexation, and those who increase knowledge increase sorrow"
Thucydides: “The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools.”
1 Corinthians 5:12 "What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?"
Galatians 6:7 "Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
James I of Aragon "Have you ever considered that our position is Idolatry to the Rabbi?"
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Postby Albrenia » Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:23 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Albrenia wrote:
Are we talking a "My Strange Addiction" level here? :p

Now I'm imagining a house stacked with literally thousands of Bibles in every room.


Not quite, that level but if I see a bible I like I can't help myself. I probably have at least 30


Aww shucks, that's just a nice collection then.

My personal favourite is the Gutenberg Bible.
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Postby Neanderthaland » Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:25 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Neanderthaland wrote:Dogmeat's post was directed towards your claim that you possess a uniquely accurate Bible that Tarsonis does not. And nothing else.

You are dodging the question.


I'm willing to bet no matter what version he's using, I have a copy somewhere. Seriously I have too many. It's a problem.

I mean, there is a toilet paper shortage. And "The Message" Bible is objectively terrible.
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