Christian Discussion Thread XI: Anicetus’ Revenge

[Tarsonis]

Girls girls girls, you're both pretty. Can we move on now?

I'm a guy, and, apparently, we have moved on. You're too late to the party, Tarsonis.

It's not meant to be taken literally Drax. I'm quoting "Megamind."

[Imperial Joseon]

It's not meant to be taken literally Drax. I'm quoting "Megamind."

May the Holy Spirit be with us all.

[The New California Republic]

I'm a guy, and, apparently, we have moved on. You're too late to the party, Tarsonis.

It's not meant to be taken literally Drax. I'm quoting "Megamind."

Don't worry I got the reference at least.

[Europa Undivided]

It's not meant to be taken literally Drax. I'm quoting "Megamind."

Don't worry I got the reference at least.

I didn’t see you.

[The New California Republic]

Don't worry I got the reference at least.

I didn’t see you.

Strange that, seeming as though I was one of the people that Tarsonis was addressing.

[Tarsonis]

I didn’t see you.

Strange that, seeming as though I was one of the people that Tarsonis was addressing.

Copper clearly drains his powers

[Europa Undivided]

I didn’t see you.

Strange that, seeming as though I was one of the people that Tarsonis was addressing.

Drax joke*

[New Visayan Islands]

It's not meant to be taken literally Drax. I'm quoting "Megamind."

May the Holy Spirit be with us all.

Et cum spiritu tuo.

[Tarsonis]

Strange that, seeming as though I was one of the people that Tarsonis was addressing.

Drax joke*

Awwwww, you got both of us

[Tarsonis]

In reference to the whole science vs faith issue, I find myself giving the same sermon a lot. The most overlooked aspect of the two houses parable, is that the house on the rock is not spared the storm. The storm comes fully to both houses, but the house on the rock is able to withstand the storm, while the house on sand is not. Faith will not shield us from calamity. The power of prayer will not (necessarily) protect you from sickness. Rather, our faith gives us the constitution to withstand such calamity. Christians thus should not reject treatment, and rely solely on prayer. Rather, take both in tandem. Take your meds, and pray the rosary.

[Imperial Joseon]

In reference to the whole science vs faith issue, I find myself giving the same sermon a lot. The most overlooked aspect of the two houses parable, is that the house on the rock is not spared the storm. The storm comes fully to both houses, but the house on the rock is able to withstand the storm, while the house on sand is not. Faith will not shield us from calamity. The power of prayer will not (necessarily) protect you from sickness. Rather, our faith gives us the constitution to withstand such calamity. Christians thus should not reject treatment, and rely solely on prayer. Rather, take both in tandem. Take your meds, and pray the rosary.

I agree with that somewhat. I'm not sure about some other people.

[Mirial Magna]

In reference to the whole science vs faith issue, I find myself giving the same sermon a lot. The most overlooked aspect of the two houses parable, is that the house on the rock is not spared the storm. The storm comes fully to both houses, but the house on the rock is able to withstand the storm, while the house on sand is not. Faith will not shield us from calamity. The power of prayer will not (necessarily) protect you from sickness. Rather, our faith gives us the constitution to withstand such calamity. Christians thus should not reject treatment, and rely solely on prayer. Rather, take both in tandem. Take your meds, and pray the rosary.

To my knowledge, there is no commandment for us to abstain from taking medicine.
Doing everything you can to prevent yourself from getting sick/spreading diseases that you may be safe from, but can greatly harm others is actually pretty relevant to the topic of loving your neighbor as yourself.

[Imperial Joseon]

To my knowledge, there is no commandment for us to abstain from taking medicine.
Doing everything you can to prevent yourself from getting sick/spreading diseases that you may be safe from, but can greatly harm others is actually pretty relevant to the topic of loving your neighbor as yourself.

Well, it's not the most conventional way to love your neighbors, but still.

[The New California Republic]

To my knowledge, there is no commandment for us to abstain from taking medicine.
Doing everything you can to prevent yourself from getting sick/spreading diseases that you may be safe from, but can greatly harm others is actually pretty relevant to the topic of loving your neighbor as yourself.

Well, it's not the most conventional way to love your neighbors, but still.

Tbh the Bible doesn't specifically spell out what the commandment involves, so arguably there is no "conventional" way of doing it in the first place.

[Tarsonis]

In reference to the whole science vs faith issue, I find myself giving the same sermon a lot. The most overlooked aspect of the two houses parable, is that the house on the rock is not spared the storm. The storm comes fully to both houses, but the house on the rock is able to withstand the storm, while the house on sand is not. Faith will not shield us from calamity. The power of prayer will not (necessarily) protect you from sickness. Rather, our faith gives us the constitution to withstand such calamity. Christians thus should not reject treatment, and rely solely on prayer. Rather, take both in tandem. Take your meds, and pray the rosary.

To my knowledge, there is no commandment for us to abstain from taking medicine.
Doing everything you can to prevent yourself from getting sick/spreading diseases that you may be safe from, but can greatly harm others is actually pretty relevant to the topic of loving your neighbor as yourself.

Sure. This is more meant to be in general. I've seen a lot of "snake walker" type posts coming from the Rad Trads and Catholic fundies, saying this is judgment form God foe the Amazon synod/novus ordo/ etc etc.

[Salus Maior]

To my knowledge, there is no commandment for us to abstain from taking medicine.
Doing everything you can to prevent yourself from getting sick/spreading diseases that you may be safe from, but can greatly harm others is actually pretty relevant to the topic of loving your neighbor as yourself.

Sure. This is more meant to be in general. I've seen a lot of "snake walker" type posts coming from the Rad Trads and Catholic fundies, saying this is judgment form God foe the Amazon synod/novus ordo/ etc etc.

Tbh I think cringy modernist services are the punishment in and of themselves.

[Tarsonis]

Sure. This is more meant to be in general. I've seen a lot of "snake walker" type posts coming from the Rad Trads and Catholic fundies, saying this is judgment form God foe the Amazon synod/novus ordo/ etc etc.

Tbh I think cringy modernist services are the punishment in and of themselves.

I know you guys hate them, but I honestly dont mind them. I dont find them any less reverent than Gregorian chant. Now I dont particularly like them, but 8n terms of worship I dont find them any less valid.

[Argotera]

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[Lost Memories]

Well, it's not the most conventional way to love your neighbors, but still.

Er…it might keep any number of people from an untimely death…

Or keep any number of people from experiencing sickness and pain for more or less 3 weeks, which could have been avoided.

I mean, i don't think the main or most important metric should be life or death, in this epidemic situation or elsewhere, that's an extremized view which goes to obfuscate any other worthful side of human life, to its detriment.


Though i sort of can see what Imperial Joseon could have meant.
Help you neighbor is usually seen as an active and direct action.
When dealing with sickness, helping your neighbor usually means to visit and help the sick. (which should take different forms than the usual, since this time we're dealing with an highly infective disease) Things like keeping company to the sick, or doing some chores the sick can't attend to.
While, keeping people from getting sick, could be more of an indirect action, you keep others from getting sick by "not doing" something. Contrasted with the common help you neighbor where you help by "doing" something, for them.

So i guess, helping your neighbor should be all those actions which directly help someone in need.
While avoiding to cause harm to others, is more along the lines of "don't cause evil".

[New Visayan Islands]

In reference to the whole science vs faith issue, I find myself giving the same sermon a lot. The most overlooked aspect of the two houses parable, is that the house on the rock is not spared the storm. The storm comes fully to both houses, but the house on the rock is able to withstand the storm, while the house on sand is not. Faith will not shield us from calamity. The power of prayer will not (necessarily) protect you from sickness. Rather, our faith gives us the constitution to withstand such calamity. Christians thus should not reject treatment, and rely solely on prayer. Rather, take both in tandem. Take your meds, and pray the rosary.

What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister has nothing to wear and has no food for the day, and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, keep warm, and eat well,” but you do not give them the necessities of the body, what good is it? So also faith of itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

Indeed someone may say, “You have faith and I have works.” Demonstrate your faith to me without works, and I will demonstrate my faith to you from my works. You believe that God is one. You do well. Even the demons believe that and tremble. Do you want proof, you ignoramus, that faith without works is useless? Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered his son Isaac upon the altar? You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by the works. Thus the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,” and he was called “the friend of God.” See how a person is justified by works and not by faith alone. And in the same way, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she welcomed the messengers and sent them out by a different route? For just as a body without a spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead.

Figures the passage from St. James was morbidly fitting in light of the COVID-19 pandemic.

[Imperial Joseon]

Well, it's not the most conventional way to love your neighbors, but still.

Er…it might keep any number of people from an untimely death…

Well, I do think such a consideration helps, but I've never thought of that as a priority. It's not easy to love one another, especially loving your own enemies.

[The New California Republic]

Er…it might keep any number of people from an untimely death…

Well, I do think such a consideration helps, but I've never thought of that as a priority. It's not easy to love one another, especially loving your own enemies.

But again the Bible doesn't specifically spell out what the love thy neighbour commandment involves, so its remit is near limitless as long as acts motivated by it reasonably fall under it.

[Nakena]

Hot take:

Many people who go (seemingly) against christianity really have a beef over sexuality or gay stuff and want it merely to go conform to their beliefs and desires so its suits to their lifestyles or at least does not inferfere with them. I have nothing but disdain for that kind of attitude. Save for dedicated heresies and the likes, the religion and it's tenets is what it is and people should face it.

It isnt limited to just that, but generally the appropriation of various cultural tropes. Which is the reason for much drama really.

You can't have your cake and eat it.

[Imperial Joseon]

Hot take:

Many people who go (seemingly) against christianity really have a beef over sexuality or gay stuff and want it merely to go conform to their beliefs and desires so its suits to their lifestyles or at least does not inferfere with them. I have nothing but disdain for that kind of attitude. Save for dedicated heresies and the likes, the religion and it's tenets is what it is and people should face it.

It isnt limited to just that, but generally the appropriation of various cultural tropes. Which is the reason for much drama really.

You can't have your cake and eat it.

I don't really care about that. The Bible hints at it, but it doesn't outright specifically say it's a sin.

[Tarsonis]

Hot take:

Many people who go (seemingly) against christianity really have a beef over sexuality or gay stuff and want it merely to go conform to their beliefs and desires so its suits to their lifestyles or at least does not inferfere with them. I have nothing but disdain for that kind of attitude. Save for dedicated heresies and the likes, the religion and it's tenets is what it is and people should face it.

It isnt limited to just that, but generally the appropriation of various cultural tropes. Which is the reason for much drama really.

You can't have your cake and eat it.

I don't really care about that. The Bible hints at it, but it doesn't outright specifically say it's a sin.

what now?