Christian Discussion Thread XI: Anicetus’ Revenge

[Sundiata]

The Lord is testing my patience. I am really getting to know someone more than I ever have, for better or worse. This person was of great help to me before and I appreciate her and I have been praying for her well-being a lot. I just ask that you join me in praying for her, thank you.

Do they have a first name?

I won't say it out of concern for her privacy, thank you.

[Imperial Joseon]

The Lord is testing my patience. I am really getting to know someone more than I ever have, for better or worse. This person was of great help to me before and I appreciate her and I have been praying for her well-being a lot. I just ask that you join me in praying for her, thank you.

Definitely, as a fellow Christian, I'd pray for the safety of the person of your acquaintance. May the Lord save her from any harm or disease. Earnesty is of utmost priority.

[New Visayan Islands]

The Lord is testing my patience. I am really getting to know someone more than I ever have, for better or worse. This person was of great help to me before and I appreciate her and I have been praying for her well-being a lot. I just ask that you join me in praying for her, thank you.

Definitely, as a fellow Christian, I'd pray for the safety of the person of your acquaintance. May the Lord save her from any harm or disease. Earnesty is of utmost priority.

And in the time of Corona, she'll need the the Help of the Lord more than ever; as a matter of fact, we all will.

[Imperial Joseon]

Definitely, as a fellow Christian, I'd pray for the safety of the person of your acquaintance. May the Lord save her from any harm or disease. Earnesty is of utmost priority.

And in the time of Corona, she'll need the the Help of the Lord more than ever; as a matter of fact, we all will.

Let's pray for the safety of all of us, until the coronavirus subsides. I'm sure God will protect all of us, if we are earnest and sincere in our desire to overcome this virus.

[Aeritai]

It was weird not getting to shake hands and hug the members of my Church today, we had to wave to each other instead due to the virus. But despite that I'm glad we were able to attend Church this morning.

[Thraysia]

Because there has to be an acceptable alternative to evangelization in muslim countries, otherwise you're giving up on spreading the word.
It's important to don't forget, that as much as orthodox christians aren't fond of evangelization, they owe the existence of their communities to evangelization.

The Orthodox aren't fond of evangelization? No. Literally where are you getting this from?

[Lost Memories]

Because there has to be an acceptable alternative to evangelization in muslim countries, otherwise you're giving up on spreading the word.
It's important to don't forget, that as much as orthodox christians aren't fond of evangelization, they owe the existence of their communities to evangelization.

The Orthodox aren't fond of evangelization? No. Literally where are you getting this from?

The orthodox christians are too stuck into a nationalistic inward setting to have any meaningful evangelizing effort and outcome.

What would a Greek orthodox evangelizing outside Greece create? More greek orthodox in, brasil? Wouldn't they just become brasilian orthodox christians?
Why would a russian orthodox go evangelize outside russia? (aside going in ukraine for obvious recent reasons)

When was the last time any orthodox branch put some effort in evangelization (meant as converting to christianity who isn't christian yet), which went past just keeping connections with migrated members, or with foreigners getting interested in their ancestry?

[Diopolis]

The Orthodox aren't fond of evangelization? No. Literally where are you getting this from?

The orthodox christians are too stuck into a nationalistic inward setting to have any meaningful evangelizing effort and outcome.

What would a Greek orthodox evangelizing outside Greece create? More greek orthodox in, brasil? Wouldn't they just become brasilian orthodox christians?
Why would a russian orthodox go evangelize outside russia? (aside going in ukraine for obvious recent reasons)

When was the last time any orthodox branch put some effort in evangelization (meant as converting to christianity who isn't christian yet), which went past just keeping connections with migrated members, or with foreigners getting interested in their ancestry?

The Orthodox do some evangelization, at least in the US. The perception among traditional Catholics is usually that Orthodox compete with us for converts, from largely the same pool of people, but that in comparison they're simply not as good at winning over converts. Usually this is blamed on Orthodox doctrine being "inconsistent" or "compromised with the world", except among those who've spent time attending an Orthodox parish, who blame widespread ethnocentrism and cliquishness.

[The New California Republic]

I'm sure God will protect all of us, if we are earnest and sincere in our desire to overcome this virus.

The fact that Churches are taking action to prevent infection other than just praying seems to suggest that they know faith isn't enough.

[Lost Memories]

The orthodox christians are too stuck into a nationalistic inward setting to have any meaningful evangelizing effort and outcome.

What would a Greek orthodox evangelizing outside Greece create? More greek orthodox in, brasil? Wouldn't they just become brasilian orthodox christians?
Why would a russian orthodox go evangelize outside russia? (aside going in ukraine for obvious recent reasons)

When was the last time any orthodox branch put some effort in evangelization (meant as converting to christianity who isn't christian yet), which went past just keeping connections with migrated members, or with foreigners getting interested in their ancestry?

The Orthodox do some evangelization, at least in the US. The perception among traditional Catholics is usually that Orthodox compete with us for converts, from largely the same pool of people, but that in comparison they're simply not as good at winning over converts. Usually this is blamed on Orthodox doctrine being "inconsistent" or "compromised with the world", except among those who've spent time attending an Orthodox parish, who blame widespread ethnocentrism and cliquishness.

I feel what you described to be the very american understanding of the word evangelizing, understood as: to steal believers from other churches.
What i'm meaning with evangelization is the original meaning, to convert to christianity who isn't christian.

By the meaning of converting who isn't christian, i'm not aware of much effort done by orthodox christians on that front. I rather see them advocating for allowing others to keep their beliefs. (muslim, hindu, and so on) Which is the negation of evangelization.
Or to be even more clear, evangelization as i understand it can't happen without a missionary effort. Which is what i see lacking in orthodox christians. If they don't have missionaries sent to non-christian territories, what they do can't really be called evangelizing.

I'm sure God will protect all of us, if we are earnest and sincere in our desire to overcome this virus.

The fact that Churches are taking action to prevent infection other than just praying seems to suggest that they know faith isn't enough.

Faith is the guidance to make the correct decisions. It isn't some white mage mana mp.

[Aeritai]

I'm sure God will protect all of us, if we are earnest and sincere in our desire to overcome this virus.

The fact that Churches are taking action to prevent infection other than just praying seems to suggest that they know faith isn't enough.

As LM said Faith is a guidance to help us make the right choices and God wants us to be responsible for our own lives. Including trying to avoid Covid-19 at all cost.

[The New California Republic]

The fact that Churches are taking action to prevent infection other than just praying seems to suggest that they know faith isn't enough.

Faith is the guidance to make the correct decisions. It isn't some white mage mana mp.

As LM said Faith is a guidance to help us make the right choices and God wants us to be responsible for our own lives. Including trying to avoid Covid-19 at all cost.

Except the guidance in this case is coming from health organisations vis-à-vis mass gatherings etc.

[Diopolis]

The Orthodox do some evangelization, at least in the US. The perception among traditional Catholics is usually that Orthodox compete with us for converts, from largely the same pool of people, but that in comparison they're simply not as good at winning over converts. Usually this is blamed on Orthodox doctrine being "inconsistent" or "compromised with the world", except among those who've spent time attending an Orthodox parish, who blame widespread ethnocentrism and cliquishness.

I feel what you described to be the very american understanding of the word evangelizing, understood as: to steal believers from other churches.
What i'm meaning with evangelization is the original meaning, to convert to christianity who isn't christian.

By the meaning of converting who isn't christian, i'm not aware of much effort done by orthodox christians on that front. I rather see them advocating for allowing others to keep their beliefs. (muslim, hindu, and so on) Which is the negation of evangelization.
Or to be even more clear, evangelization as i understand it can't happen without a missionary effort. Which is what i see lacking in orthodox christians. If they don't have missionaries sent to non-christian territories, what they do can't really be called evangelizing.

Most converts in this case identify as Christians but have never been baptized and do not attend church services on even a semi-regular basis. By the definitions of both groups they are considered irreligious. There is little difference between evangelizing these people and evangelizing moors or pagans in terms of converting non-Christians.

[Lost Memories]

I feel what you described to be the very american understanding of the word evangelizing, understood as: to steal believers from other churches.
What i'm meaning with evangelization is the original meaning, to convert to christianity who isn't christian.

By the meaning of converting who isn't christian, i'm not aware of much effort done by orthodox christians on that front. I rather see them advocating for allowing others to keep their beliefs. (muslim, hindu, and so on) Which is the negation of evangelization.
Or to be even more clear, evangelization as i understand it can't happen without a missionary effort. Which is what i see lacking in orthodox christians. If they don't have missionaries sent to non-christian territories, what they do can't really be called evangelizing.

Most converts in this case identify as Christians but have never been baptized and do not attend church services on even a semi-regular basis. By the definitions of both groups they are considered irreligious. There is little difference between evangelizing these people and evangelizing moors or pagans in terms of converting non-Christians.

That's a fair comparison.

[Lost Memories]

Faith is the guidance to make the correct decisions. It isn't some white mage mana mp.

As LM said Faith is a guidance to help us make the right choices and God wants us to be responsible for our own lives. Including trying to avoid Covid-19 at all cost.

Except the guidance in this case is coming from health organisations vis-à-vis mass gatherings etc.

What point are you trying to make?

[The New California Republic]

Except the guidance in this case is coming from health organisations vis-à-vis mass gatherings etc.

What point are you trying to make?

I've already said it.

[Camelone]

What point are you trying to make?

I've already said it.

That you have a poor elementary understanding of the Christian concept of faith and it’s effect?

[Diopolis]

Most converts in this case identify as Christians but have never been baptized and do not attend church services on even a semi-regular basis. By the definitions of both groups they are considered irreligious. There is little difference between evangelizing these people and evangelizing moors or pagans in terms of converting non-Christians.

That's a fair comparison.

Now a couple of years ago, when there was a massive exodus from certain mainline protestant churches who shall remain nameless, it would indeed have been true that most of these people are already practicing Christians. But the main wave of that seems to have subsided- anyone who's still in those churches is either happy with the changes, holding out to join the more conservative faction in the inevitable schism, or more frequently than either of the two, too old to care. Most people seriously considering joining a conservative high church denomination nowadays are either not Christians(although some self-identify as Christians), or non-practicing Christians.

[The New California Republic]

I've already said it.

That you have a poor elementary understanding of the Christian concept of faith and it’s effect?

Did I say that? No, I don't think I did...

[Europa Undivided]

That you have a poor elementary understanding of the Christian concept of faith and it’s effect?

Did I say that? No, I don't think I did...

It shows.

[The New California Republic]

Did I say that? No, I don't think I did...

It shows.

Except it really doesn't, as the question was one of where the guidance regarding tackling Corona comes from.

[Lost Memories]

It shows.

Except it really doesn't, as the question was one of where the guidance regarding tackling Corona comes from.

No, when i asked you what point you were trying to make, i wasn't asking about your last sentence, but the previous one.

What point were you trying to make when you said this ?

I'm sure God will protect all of us, if we are earnest and sincere in our desire to overcome this virus.

The fact that Churches are taking action to prevent infection other than just praying seems to suggest that they know faith isn't enough.

?
Were you by chance putting forward the idea that diseases can be prayed away, and that being the common christian understanding of faith?
If so, that would have been arguing against a strawman, as that isn't the common christian understanding of faith, aside uninformed christians and irreligious alike (even if in my experience that notion seems to be more widespread among irreligious, than among christians)

[The New California Republic]

Were you by chance putting forward the idea that diseases can be prayed away, and that being the common christian understanding of faith?
If so, that would have been arguing against a strawman, as that isn't the common christian understanding of faith, aside uninformed christians and irreligious alike (even if in my experience that notion seems to be more widespread among irreligious, than among christians)

I wasn't at all saying it was a common thing, as I know it isn't; it was directed at what appears to be IJ's understanding of it.

[Lost Memories]

Were you by chance putting forward the idea that diseases can be prayed away, and that being the common christian understanding of faith?
If so, that would have been arguing against a strawman, as that isn't the common christian understanding of faith, aside uninformed christians and irreligious alike (even if in my experience that notion seems to be more widespread among irreligious, than among christians)

I wasn't at all saying it was a common thing, as I know it isn't; it was directed at what appears to be IJ's understanding of it.

I see, then we were all assuming someone is believing christians can cast esuna.

Who's that one?
(i mean, maybe Imperial Joseon wasn't meaning that? It's up to him anyway to clarify)

[Tarsonis]

Strangely enough, i was wondering, has anyone heard from the Christian Scientists lately?