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Eastern Orthodox
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6
1%
Anglican/Episcopalian
32
5%
Lutheran or Reformed (including Calvinist, Presbyterian, etc.)
71
11%
Methodist
15
2%
Baptist
61
9%
Other Evangelical Protestant (Pentecostal, Charismatic, etc.)
54
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Restorationist (LDS Movement, Jehovah's Witness, etc.)
29
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Other Christian
90
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Postby Minachia » Thu Jan 02, 2020 1:21 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Great Kauthar wrote:Some Anglicans are still close to Catholicism. Anglo-Catholics for example still say the Tridentine Mass just in the vernacular and afaik don't ordain women. Mainstream Anglicans got infected with the disease of low church Protestantism a long time ago.

What's wrong with ordaining women?

1 Timothy 2: "11 A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet."
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Postby Sundiata » Thu Jan 02, 2020 2:58 pm

Minachia wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:What's wrong with ordaining women?

1 Timothy 2: "11 A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet."

Peace and quiet. :p
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Postby Lower Nubia » Thu Jan 02, 2020 3:05 pm

Lost Memories wrote:
Lower Nubia wrote:
It would dissolve into the Anglican Ordinariate, a supranational diocese of unique, but Catholic approved, liturgical structures, with Anglican clergy either being ordained (with their consent) into the ordinariate, and prior bishops being given an honourary title.

Is the most likely outcome - of this unlikely outcome.

Are you talking about this ordinariate?
A personal ordinariate, sometimes called a "personal ordinariate for former Anglicans"[1][2] or more informally an "Anglican ordinariate",[3] is a canonical structure within the Catholic Church established in accordance with the apostolic constitution Anglicanorum coetibus of 4 November 2009[4][5][6][7] and its complementary norms.[8] The ordinariates were established in order to enable "groups of Anglicans"[9] to join the Catholic Church while preserving elements of their liturgical and spiritual patrimony. They are juridically equivalent to a diocese, "a particular church in which and from which exists the one and unique Catholic Church",[10] but may be erected in the same territory as other dioceses "by reason of the rite of the faithful or some similar reason".[10]

Three primarily Anglophone ordinariates were established between 2011 and 2012:
Personal Ordinariate of Our Lady of Walsingham (England and Wales, Scotland)
Personal Ordinariate of the Chair of Saint Peter (United States, Canada)
Personal Ordinariate of Our Lady of the Southern Cross (Australia, Japan)

Seems pretty recent, at first i thought you were talking about an older structure, from before the reformation. Or that is was more of an original idea.


Yes, I'm talking about that structure.
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Postby Lower Nubia » Thu Jan 02, 2020 3:17 pm

Minachia wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:What's wrong with ordaining women?

1 Timothy 2: "11 A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet."


I mean, verse 11 is applicable to men too, a male student of the time would be in full submission to a teacher and learn in silence.

Which of course, begs the question, what are they learning to do, which demands a tutor-student (Luke 10:39) relationship?

Verse 12 is surely more specific, as we have plenty of examples of women teaching men the Gospel.
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Postby Hanafuridake » Thu Jan 02, 2020 7:51 pm

Evangelicals are an...

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Postby Diopolis » Thu Jan 02, 2020 7:58 pm

Hanafuridake wrote:Evangelicals are an...


I remember reading an account of a Catholic apologist who met Jack Chic at complete random and had an hour long conversation with him. It was... interesting.
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Postby Hanafuridake » Thu Jan 02, 2020 8:02 pm

Diopolis wrote:
Hanafuridake wrote:Evangelicals are an...


I remember reading an account of a Catholic apologist who met Jack Chic at complete random and had an hour long conversation with him. It was... interesting.


I remember that as well. Chick was polite but the apologist could still tell he was a bit unhinged. For instance, Chick hinting that the Vatican had his name in some registry.
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Postby Europa Undivided » Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:22 pm

Hanafuridake wrote:Evangelicals are an...


I am technically Evangelical but I never heard of that lol.
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Postby Celritannia » Fri Jan 03, 2020 3:26 am

Minachia wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:What's wrong with ordaining women?

1 Timothy 2: "11 A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet."


Good job society has adapted and looks passed that.
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Postby The Archregimancy » Fri Jan 03, 2020 6:25 am

The JELLEAIN Republic wrote:Merry post Christmas

What’s the difference between catholic and Eastern Orthodox?


Eastern Orthodox Christians are witty, intelligent, debonair, urbane, and naturally smell of incense.

Roman Catholic Christians, in contrast, are; they're.... Well let's just say it's alright to pray for them; we understand their jealousy. They're only human, after all.
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Postby Diopolis » Fri Jan 03, 2020 7:05 am

Hanafuridake wrote:
Diopolis wrote:I remember reading an account of a Catholic apologist who met Jack Chic at complete random and had an hour long conversation with him. It was... interesting.


I remember that as well. Chick was polite but the apologist could still tell he was a bit unhinged. For instance, Chick hinting that the Vatican had his name in some registry.

Any conversation that begins with ‘are you a Jesuit assassin from the Vatican’ is like that.
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Postby Salus Maior » Fri Jan 03, 2020 9:08 am

Hanafuridake wrote:Evangelicals are an...



Jack Chick and his kind of fundamentalist are a pretty unique kind of malicious dumbness.
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Postby Dogmeat » Fri Jan 03, 2020 9:14 am

Salus Maior wrote:
Hanafuridake wrote:Evangelicals are an...



Jack Chick and his kind of fundamentalist are a pretty unique kind of malicious dumbness.

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Postby Kowani » Fri Jan 03, 2020 9:16 am

Europa Undivided wrote:
Hanafuridake wrote:Evangelicals are an...


I am technically Evangelical but I never heard of that lol.

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Postby Hanafuridake » Fri Jan 03, 2020 9:23 am

Salus Maior wrote:
Hanafuridake wrote:Evangelicals are an...



Jack Chick and his kind of fundamentalist are a pretty unique kind of malicious dumbness.


I'm surprised that these tracts never convinced anyone to commit an anti-Catholic hate crime.
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Postby Salus Maior » Fri Jan 03, 2020 9:42 am

Hanafuridake wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
Jack Chick and his kind of fundamentalist are a pretty unique kind of malicious dumbness.


I'm surprised that these tracts never convinced anyone to commit an anti-Catholic hate crime.


Probably has. That being said, there is more to Evangelicalism than the likes of Chick and other fundamentalists. I know there typically aren't many advocates for Evangelicals here, but there are decent and upright parts of their movement. Even though they're theologically flawed.
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Fri Jan 03, 2020 10:41 am

Methodist Church plans to split over gay marriage

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-usa-r ... Z21SI?il=0

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An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Methodist Church plans to split over gay marriage

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-usa-r ... Z21SI?il=0

Who doesn't love a schism?


Protestants schisming from each other isn't news.
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“No one in the world can change Truth. What we can do and should do is to seek truth and to serve it when we have found it. The real conflict is the inner conflict. Beyond armies of occupation and the hecatombs of extermination camps, there are two irreconcilable enemies in the depth of every soul: good and evil, sin and love. And what use are the victories on the battlefield if we ourselves are defeated in our innermost personal selves?”
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Postby The New California Republic » Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:08 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:United Methodist Church plans to split over gay marriage

Fixed. I thought that including the "united" part is both relevant and ironic.
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:09 am

The New California Republic wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:United Methodist Church plans to split over gay marriage

Fixed. I thought that including the "united" part is both relevant and ironic.


Indeed. I missed a trick there.
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Postby Minachia » Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:14 am

Hanafuridake wrote:Evangelicals are an...


tell me about it
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Postby Lower Nubia » Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:15 am

Salus Maior wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Methodist Church plans to split over gay marriage

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-usa-r ... Z21SI?il=0

Who doesn't love a schism?


Protestants schisming from each other isn't news.


It’s in the name really.
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Postby Minachia » Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:16 am

Lower Nubia wrote:
Minachia wrote:1 Timothy 2: "11 A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet."


I mean, verse 11 is applicable to men too, a male student of the time would be in full submission to a teacher and learn in silence.

Which of course, begs the question, what are they learning to do, which demands a tutor-student (Luke 10:39) relationship?

Verse 12 is surely more specific, as we have plenty of examples of women teaching men the Gospel.

Such as...?
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Postby Third ZSeparatists » Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:17 am

Protestants did have a point in leaving the Roman Catholic Church, and I’m saying this even though I’m Catholic.
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Postby Diopolis » Fri Jan 03, 2020 12:23 pm

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Methodist Church plans to split over gay marriage

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-usa-r ... Z21SI?il=0

Who doesn't love a schism?

Well who didn’t see that coming?
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