Christian Discussion Thread XI: Anicetus’ Revenge

[Tarsonis]

Weird random question based on a movie I saw recently.

Is there any rule or custom preventing a priest from selling Holy Water? It seems rather capitalistic to do, but I can imagine there'd be a market for it.

Holy water Is a sacramental item. Thus selling it would be considered simony.

[Diopolis]

Weird random question based on a movie I saw recently.

Is there any rule or custom preventing a priest from selling Holy Water? It seems rather capitalistic to do, but I can imagine there'd be a market for it.

It’s generally understood that selling holy items is both sacrilegious and undoes the holiness of the item. Holy water would count here.

[Salus Maior]

You know, Eastern Orthodox can be a real pain to discuss with sometimes.

I was just arguing with one that was dead set on believing that the Catholic view of the Eucharist goes "too far".

So basically we've been describing the exact same process for consecrating the Eucharist to each other, but he still thinks its wrong because I guess we have a word for when the bread and wine become the Body and Blood which is Latin and that's bad.

[Tarsonis]

You know, Eastern Orthodox can be a real pain to discuss with sometimes.

I was just arguing with one that was dead set on believing that the Catholic view of the Eucharist goes "too far".

So basically we've been describing the exact same process for consecrating the Eucharist to each other, but he still thinks its wrong because I guess we have a word for when the bread and wine become the Body and Blood which is Latin and that's bad.

The fourth crusade did nothing wrong

[Salus Maior]

You know, Eastern Orthodox can be a real pain to discuss with sometimes.

I was just arguing with one that was dead set on believing that the Catholic view of the Eucharist goes "too far".

So basically we've been describing the exact same process for consecrating the Eucharist to each other, but he still thinks its wrong because I guess we have a word for when the bread and wine become the Body and Blood which is Latin and that's bad.

The fourth crusade did nothing wrong

Well, the Pope thought so.

[Tarsonis]

The fourth crusade did nothing wrong

Well, the Pope thought so.

Pfft that guys a hack. What does he know?

[Albrenia]

Thanks to those who answered my question on selling Holy Water.

[Lower Nubia]

You know, Eastern Orthodox can be a real pain to discuss with sometimes.

I was just arguing with one that was dead set on believing that the Catholic view of the Eucharist goes "too far".

So basically we've been describing the exact same process for consecrating the Eucharist to each other, but he still thinks its wrong because I guess we have a word for when the bread and wine become the Body and Blood which is Latin and that's bad.

It’s more that Catholic’s add a philosophical rubric to describe the inward quality of the sacrament. Which to some is too far.

[Salus Maior]

You know, Eastern Orthodox can be a real pain to discuss with sometimes.

I was just arguing with one that was dead set on believing that the Catholic view of the Eucharist goes "too far".

So basically we've been describing the exact same process for consecrating the Eucharist to each other, but he still thinks its wrong because I guess we have a word for when the bread and wine become the Body and Blood which is Latin and that's bad.

It’s more that Catholic’s add a philosophical rubric to describe the inward quality of the sacrament. Which to some is too far.

That quality being: 1: the sacrament is the literal body and blood of Christ, and 2: It still appears to the senses as bread and wine.

Which is exactly what they believe, only in less fancy words.

[Lower Nubia]

It’s more that Catholic’s add a philosophical rubric to describe the inward quality of the sacrament. Which to some is too far.

That quality being: 1: the sacrament is the literal body and blood of Christ, and 2: It still appears to the senses as bread and wine.

Which is exactly what they believe, only in less fancy words.

Using those minimal descriptors would include: Anglicans, Methodists, Lutherans and even some reformed.

[Diopolis]

It’s more that Catholic’s add a philosophical rubric to describe the inward quality of the sacrament. Which to some is too far.

That quality being: 1: the sacrament is the literal body and blood of Christ, and 2: It still appears to the senses as bread and wine.

Which is exactly what they believe, only in less fancy words.

The Orthodox don't rule out that it's somehow also bread and wine while being the literal body and blood of Christ, though.

[Tarsonis]

That quality being: 1: the sacrament is the literal body and blood of Christ, and 2: It still appears to the senses as bread and wine.

Which is exactly what they believe, only in less fancy words.

The Orthodox don't rule out that it's somehow also bread and wine while being the literal body and blood of Christ, though.

Well it still has the accidents of bread and wine

[Diopolis]

The Orthodox don't rule out that it's somehow also bread and wine while being the literal body and blood of Christ, though.

Well it still has the accidents of bread and wine

Literally by very nature or whatever. You know what I meant.

[Salus Maior]

That quality being: 1: the sacrament is the literal body and blood of Christ, and 2: It still appears to the senses as bread and wine.

Which is exactly what they believe, only in less fancy words.

The Orthodox don't rule out that it's somehow also bread and wine while being the literal body and blood of Christ, though.

Isn't that consubstantiation?

[Salus Maior]

That quality being: 1: the sacrament is the literal body and blood of Christ, and 2: It still appears to the senses as bread and wine.

Which is exactly what they believe, only in less fancy words.

Using those minimal descriptors would include: Anglicans, Methodists, Lutherans and even some reformed.

Reformed don't believe that the sacrament is the literal body and blood.

[Lower Nubia]

Using those minimal descriptors would include: Anglicans, Methodists, Lutherans and even some reformed.

Reformed don't believe that the sacrament is the literal body and blood.

Depends on the Reformed. Especially in break away Anglican groups. Either way, your definition of the quality is so broad as to allow a divergent series of theologies to accept that “Catholic” definition, while also maintaining a strict non-Catholic approach to the matter. Are you sure your Catholic definition isn’t too broad?

[Salus Maior]

Reformed don't believe that the sacrament is the literal body and blood.

Depends on the Reformed. Especially in break away Anglican groups. Either way, your definition of the quality is so broad as to allow a divergent series of theologies to accept that “Catholic” definition, while also maintaining a strict non-Catholic approach to the matter. Are you sure your Catholic definition isn’t too broad?

No, it isn't. That's what transubstantiation is.

If people take up issue with it, that's their problem.

[Tarsonis]

Reformed don't believe that the sacrament is the literal body and blood.

Depends on the Reformed. Especially in break away Anglican groups. Either way, your definition of the quality is so broad as to allow a divergent series of theologies to accept that “Catholic” definition, while also maintaining a strict non-Catholic approach to the matter. Are you sure your Catholic definition isn’t too broad?

The Catholic definition is actually quite specific, but it's hard to go into it without diving down the rabit hole of Propnyrian Classification and Aristotilian Ontology.

Transubstantiation is similar to the Hypostatic Union, in that both doctrines use borrowed greek philosophies, to explain an already head theological doctrine.

[Lower Nubia]

Depends on the Reformed. Especially in break away Anglican groups. Either way, your definition of the quality is so broad as to allow a divergent series of theologies to accept that “Catholic” definition, while also maintaining a strict non-Catholic approach to the matter. Are you sure your Catholic definition isn’t too broad?

No, it isn't. That's what transubstantiation is.

If people take up issue with it, that's their problem.

the sacrament is the literal body and blood of Christ, and 2: It still appears to the senses as bread and wine.

That is not all Transubstantiation is.

[Lower Nubia]

Depends on the Reformed. Especially in break away Anglican groups. Either way, your definition of the quality is so broad as to allow a divergent series of theologies to accept that “Catholic” definition, while also maintaining a strict non-Catholic approach to the matter. Are you sure your Catholic definition isn’t too broad?

The Catholic definition is actually quite specific, but it's hard to go into it without diving down the rabit hole of Propnyrian Classification and Aristotilian Ontology.

Transubstantiation is similar to the Hypostatic Union, in that both doctrines use borrowed greek philosophies, to explain an already head theological doctrine.

I’m aware that it is very specific, that philosophical rubric I mentioned is the issue for other denominations. That Salus’ definition would be an oversimplification that would be acceptable to other literal-body/blood affirming denominations, while they would in the same acceptance still reject Transubstantiation.

[Salus Maior]

That is not all Transubstantiation is.

That's what I know it as. What do you think it is?

[Imperial Joseon]

Thanks to those who answered my question on selling Holy Water.

Most likely a scam, so be careful and check carefully.

[Argotera]

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[Sundiata]

I love Opus Dei with all of my heart, it's such a fantastic vessel towards God.

[Salus Maior]

That quality being: 1: the sacrament is the literal body and blood of Christ, and 2: It still appears to the senses as bread and wine.

Which is exactly what they believe, only in less fancy words.

It's still claiming they understand it.

What's not to understand?