Christian Discussion Thread XI: Anicetus’ Revenge

[Sundiata]

Can we go back to talking about Jesus instead of just sex for a moment?

It's not that I'm uncomfortable with the subject, I just think that we need to backtrack and make certain things clear before approaching the subject of sex so directly. We don't want to trivialize this matter of sacramental importance.

Before we even discuss the Wedding at Cana we might just have to go back to the start, to Adam and Eve.

Well, it seems I found something I can agree upon, aand I actually wonder something:

Who invented the host?, as in, the bread type used in mass.

That's easy! Jesus did, when he said, "Take, eat. This is my body, which is broken for you. Do this in memory of me."

[Rosmana]

Well, it seems I found something I can agree upon, aand I actually wonder something:

Who invented the host?, as in, the bread type used in mass.

That's easy! Jesus did, when he said, "Take, eat. This is my body, which is broken for you. Do this in memory of me."

No, I mean the host we use these days.

The recipe for the Sacramental bread.

[Sundiata]

Can we go back to talking about Jesus instead of just sex for a moment?

This is the Christian Discussion Thread, not the Jesus Discussion Thread. Any topic pertaining to Christianity is open for debate. Sex--or rather, how Christians and Christianity approach sex--happens to be a topic that pertains to Christianity.

Ok, if you insist.

[Sundiata]

That's easy! Jesus did, when he said, "Take, eat. This is my body, which is broken for you. Do this in memory of me."

No, I mean the host we use these days.

The recipe for the Sacramental bread.

I'm not sure, I believe my parish just orders the wafers from the local monastery. It also keeps money within the community. They're low gluten.

[Salus Maior]

No, no, no.

Sex specifically is a secondary feature of marriage. Marriage encompasses so many other features than sex: a covenant, an openness to life, being indissoluble, and many more.

Sex and marriage go together, you can't have one without the other.

Why?

...Why would one need marriage if sexual intimacy isn't on the table?

[Rosmana]

No, I mean the host we use these days.

The recipe for the Sacramental bread.

I'm not sure, I believe my parish just orders the wafers from the local monastery. It also keeps money within the community. They're low gluten.

Same thing here, I plan to publish my book in the local monastery.

[Salus Maior]

Can we go back to talking about Jesus instead of just sex for a moment?

This is the Christian Discussion Thread, not the Jesus Discussion Thread. Any topic pertaining to Christianity is open for debate. Sex--or rather, how Christians and Christianity approach sex--happens to be a topic that pertains to Christianity.

If someone's uncomfortable discussing a subject, there's no need to force them to continue.

[Suriyanakhon]

Why?

...Why would one need marriage if sexual intimacy isn't on the table?

Because one's in a strong intense relationship that dating doesn't represent fully?

[Punished UMN]

Why?

...Why would one need marriage if sexual intimacy isn't on the table?

For a lot of reasons actually. Cohabitation, engaging in a romantic relationship without causing scandal, etc.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

This is the Christian Discussion Thread, not the Jesus Discussion Thread. Any topic pertaining to Christianity is open for debate. Sex--or rather, how Christians and Christianity approach sex--happens to be a topic that pertains to Christianity.

If someone's uncomfortable discussing a subject, there's no need to force them to continue.

*ahem*

Can we go back to talking about Jesus instead of just sex for a moment?

It's not that I'm uncomfortable with the subject, I just think that we need to backtrack and make certain things clear before approaching the subject of sex so directly. We don't want to trivialize this matter of sacramental importance.

Before we even discuss the Wedding at Cana we might just have to go back to the start, to Adam and Eve.

[Suriyanakhon]

If marriage is not solely for sex, then why is it necessary to be able to have sex in order to get married? It's a completely non-sequitur.

No, no, no.

Sex specifically is a secondary feature of marriage. Marriage encompasses so many other features than sex: a covenant, an openness to life, being indissoluble, and many more.

Sex and marriage go together, you can't have one without the other.

This is actually kind of confusing because weren't the Virgin Mary and St. Joseph in a chaste marriage?

[Sundiata]

No, no, no.

Sex specifically is a secondary feature of marriage. Marriage encompasses so many other features than sex: a covenant, an openness to life, being indissoluble, and many more.

Sex and marriage go together, you can't have one without the other.

Why?

Well, my friend, that's a pretty big question. We talked about natural law and divine law awhile back. There is God's love, the underlying mechanism that moves all things. God loves you, God loves me, he loves all. And because he loves us, he wanted our love for him to be a choice: free-will. Because of this free-will, sin is possible.

It's the cost of being able to love God so greatly. In our capacity for choice came sexual immortality, sexual acts that are not rightly ordered. We have marriage as a sacramental mechanism to reduce the misdirection of the sexual instinct. It's the essence of being fruitful. After all, if we didn't have free-will, there would be no purpose for the sacrament of marriage, let alone any of the sacraments.

[Punished UMN]

Why?

Well, my friend, that's a pretty big question. We talked about natural law and divine law awhile back. There is God's love, the underlying mechanism that moves all things. God loves you, God loves me, he loves all. And because he loves us, he wanted our love for him to be a choice: free-will. Because of this free-will, sin is possible.

It's the cost of being able to love God so greatly. In our capacity for choice came sexual immortality, sexual acts that are not rightly ordered. We have marriage as a sacramental mechanism to reduce the misdirection of the sexual instinct. It's the essence of being fruitful. After all, if we didn't have free-will, there would be no purpose for the sacrament of marriage, let alone any of the sacraments.

That really doesn't explain why sex is an absolute requirement for marriage.

[Salus Maior]

...Why would one need marriage if sexual intimacy isn't on the table?

For a lot of reasons actually. Cohabitation, engaging in a romantic relationship without causing scandal, etc.

Why would there be scandal in cohabitation if sex is off the table?

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

For a lot of reasons actually. Cohabitation, engaging in a romantic relationship without causing scandal, etc.

Why would there be scandal in cohabitation if sex is off the table?

Gossipers who can't mind their own damn business are a dime a dozen.

[Punished UMN]

For a lot of reasons actually. Cohabitation, engaging in a romantic relationship without causing scandal, etc.

Why would there be scandal in cohabitation if sex is off the table?

How would other people know that sex is off the table?

[Saint Yosx]

Well, my friend, that's a pretty big question. We talked about natural law and divine law awhile back. There is God's love, the underlying mechanism that moves all things. God loves you, God loves me, he loves all. And because he loves us, he wanted our love for him to be a choice: free-will. Because of this free-will, sin is possible.

It's the cost of being able to love God so greatly. In our capacity for choice came sexual immortality, sexual acts that are not rightly ordered. We have marriage as a sacramental mechanism to reduce the misdirection of the sexual instinct. It's the essence of being fruitful. After all, if we didn't have free-will, there would be no purpose for the sacrament of marriage, let alone any of the sacraments.

That really doesn't explain why sex is an absolute requirement for marriage.

I think someone can have a healthy and good marriage without sex. I don’t think it’s a requirement, although I think sex out of marriage is sinful and impractical. Impractical because the couple who had sex are not tied to each other as much as a married couple and if they break up and have a child that child would grow up in a single family home.

[Sundiata]

No, no, no.

Sex specifically is a secondary feature of marriage. Marriage encompasses so many other features than sex: a covenant, an openness to life, being indissoluble, and many more.

Sex and marriage go together, you can't have one without the other.

This is actually kind of confusing because weren't the Virgin Mary and St. Joseph in a chaste marriage?

They were considered husband and wife through Jewish custom. If Christian standards were applied, they would only be considered engaged. The law had not yet been fulfilled through the existence of Jesus yet so the New Covenant did not yet apply.

[Salus Maior]

Why would there be scandal in cohabitation if sex is off the table?

Gossipers who can't mind their own damn business are a dime a dozen.

Who cares about the gossipers?

I certainly don't care if my oldest sister thinks I worship the Virgin Mary, for instance. Which she does.

[Punished UMN]

Gossipers who can't mind their own damn business are a dime a dozen.

Who cares about the gossipers?

I certainly don't care if my oldest sister thinks I worship the Virgin Mary, for instance. Which she does.

Scandal is considered a sin. It's why having a female servant is grounds for priests to be defrocked, for example.

[Salus Maior]

Why would there be scandal in cohabitation if sex is off the table?

How would other people know that sex is off the table?

Then we're just using a sacrament for public image, then.

I don't think that's a good reason to be married.

[Sundiata]

Well, my friend, that's a pretty big question. We talked about natural law and divine law awhile back. There is God's love, the underlying mechanism that moves all things. God loves you, God loves me, he loves all. And because he loves us, he wanted our love for him to be a choice: free-will. Because of this free-will, sin is possible.

It's the cost of being able to love God so greatly. In our capacity for choice came sexual immortality, sexual acts that are not rightly ordered. We have marriage as a sacramental mechanism to reduce the misdirection of the sexual instinct. It's the essence of being fruitful. After all, if we didn't have free-will, there would be no purpose for the sacrament of marriage, let alone any of the sacraments.

That really doesn't explain why sex is an absolute requirement for marriage.

Because sex outside of marriage is disordered.

[Salus Maior]

Who cares about the gossipers?

I certainly don't care if my oldest sister thinks I worship the Virgin Mary, for instance. Which she does.

Scandal is considered a sin. It's why having a female servant is grounds for priests to be defrocked, for example.

You could just be honest and let people know that you and your partner are celibate.

[Punished UMN]

How would other people know that sex is off the table?

Then we're just using a sacrament for public image, then.

I don't think that's a good reason to be married.

Not really, it's using the sacrament to publicly express their desire to be in love for life.

That really doesn't explain why sex is an absolute requirement for marriage.

Because sex outside of marriage is disordered.

How is this answer related to the question asked?

[Sundiata]

Gossipers who can't mind their own damn business are a dime a dozen.

Who cares about the gossipers?

I certainly don't care if my oldest sister thinks I worship the Virgin Mary, for instance. Which she does.

I've heard similar gossip, especially that I consider Our Lady a girlfriend or wife because I speak so highly of her. My friends don't really seem to mind, however.