Christian Discussion Thread XI: Anicetus’ Revenge

[Rosmana]

Ok, sorry but I disagree, but I was never a John Paul II fan, sorry but he never seemed that, well, Papal in my opinion.

Why? I don't understand.

Even after being shot, he prayed with and for his assassin. He canonized Escriva. He went to parts of the world where no Pope has before. He wrote the Theology of the Body. He greatly supported St. Mother Theresa. He did so much legwork so that we don't have to today.

Sorry but I am not a fan of Escriva, he was WAY too political, I never cared for St. Mother Theresa, and Theology of the Body is just wrong, since it seems to view sexuality just as a means to reproduce, which is rather archaic in my pov, and it implies I will never experience that intimacy.

No offense but no, not a fan.

[Sundiata]

Why? I don't understand.

Even after being shot, he prayed with and for his assassin. He canonized Escriva. He went to parts of the world where no Pope has before. He wrote the Theology of the Body. He greatly supported St. Mother Theresa. He did so much legwork so that we don't have to today.

Sorry but I am not a fan of Escriva, he was WAY too political, I never cared for St. Mother Theresa, and Theology of the Body is just wrong, since it seems to view sexuality just as a means to reproduce, which is absurd, archaic, and it implies I will never experience that intimacy.

No offense but no, not a fan.

Escriva political? How? The only political statements he ever made were indictments of fascism.

Where did you ever get the sense from the Theology of the Body that sexuality is just to reproduce? That surprises me. Also, I don't necessarily blame you for misinterpreting The Theology of the Body. Our culture has a way of putting sexuality at the forefront of discourse. Our politics, sex. Our movies, sex. Our music, sex. Once you unleash the demon of lust upon a population it's really opening Pandora's Box.

When you untether sex from marriage, for example, it leads to the breakdown of the family. That destroys a culture. Our passions and instincts are not neutral actors, they combat the intellect and the application of reason. Letting them take the lead is the path to destruction: 60 million aborted children, tens of millions of fatherless children.

"Conservatives" defending pornography as free speech. Young adults playing house without having children and cohabitating. It appears to be a race to the bottom. While sex is an intimate thing, it's not the only legitimate form of intimacy.

[Rosmana]

Sorry but I am not a fan of Escriva, he was WAY too political, I never cared for St. Mother Theresa, and Theology of the Body is just wrong, since it seems to view sexuality just as a means to reproduce, which is absurd, archaic, and it implies I will never experience that intimacy.

No offense but no, not a fan.

Escriva political? How? The only political statements he ever made were indictments of fascism.

Where did you ever get the sense from the Theology of the Body that sexuality just to reproduce? That surprises me. Also, I don't necessarily blame you for misinterpreting The Theology of the Body. Our culture has a way of putting sexuality at the forefront of discourse. Our politics, sex. Our movies, sex. Our music, sex. Once you unleash the demon of lust upon a population it's really opening Pandora's Box.

When you untether sex from marriage, for example, it leads to the breakdown of the family. That destroys a culture. Our passions and instincts are not neutral actors, they combat the intellect and the application of reason. Letting them take the lead is the path to destruction: 60 million aborted children, tens of millions of fatherless children. "Conservatives" defending pornography as free speech. Young adults playing house without having children or cohabitating. It appears to be a race to the bottom. While sex is an intimate thing, it's not the only legitimate form of intimacy.

No i mean that JP II was too political.

And with all due respect ''destroys a culture'', that is clearly overreacting, sorry but that standard father/mother family model is not for all.

I will never mary and have children, does not force me to a life of celibacy?

And marriage is a holy sacrament, not a sex license, a stable relationship is better, but we should look to ourselves, rather than showing contempt for others.

Besides, the term "Conservatives" does not apply, this is not a thread about the politics in the USA.

[Tarsonis]

Why? I don't understand.

Even after being shot, he prayed with and for his assassin. He canonized Escriva. He went to parts of the world where no Pope has before. He wrote the Theology of the Body. He greatly supported St. Mother Theresa. He did so much legwork so that we don't have to today.

Sorry but I am not a fan of Escriva, he was WAY too political, I never cared for St. Mother Theresa, and Theology of the Body is just wrong, since it seems to view sexuality just as a means to reproduce, which is rather archaic in my pov, and it implies I will never experience that intimacy.

No offense but no, not a fan.

Sex at its core a procreative act, it's not archaic to say this, it's simple science. Beyond this sexuality comes into play, and makes it a much more complicated thing. The theology of the body wouldn't deny this, but would teach that the procreative element should never discarded.

[Rosmana]

Sorry but I am not a fan of Escriva, he was WAY too political, I never cared for St. Mother Theresa, and Theology of the Body is just wrong, since it seems to view sexuality just as a means to reproduce, which is rather archaic in my pov, and it implies I will never experience that intimacy.

No offense but no, not a fan.

I don't know if you're aware of this, but sex makes babies. Kidding aside, sex at its core a procreative act, it's not archaic to say this, it's simple science. Beyond this sexuality comes into play, and makes it a much more complicated thing. The theology of the body wouldn't deny this, but would teach that the procreative element should never discarded.

Sure, the procreative element should never discarded, but there are ways around that you know, but you would probably call that evil, never mind, I will leave BEFORE I am demonized.

Good day.

[Sundiata]

And with all due respect ''destroys a culture'', that is clearly overreacting, sorry but that standard father/mother family model is not for all.

I am not overreacting. Satan is that deceptive.

I will never mary and have children, does not force me to a life of celibacy?

You're not being forced to practice Christianity or be celibate. Celibacy is a choice. Marriage is a choice. Being a Christian is a choice; it's also not an easy one.

And marriage is a holy sacrament, not a sex license, a stable relationship is better, but we should look to ourselves, rather than showing contempt for others.

Marriage, the marital sacrament, is a place for sex as a secondary feature. Married couples can have sex. The first feature of marriage is seeking communion with God. Intimacy and becoming a parent are secondary features of marriage, but God is first priority. Does that make sense?

[Rosmana]

And with all due respect ''destroys a culture'', that is clearly overreacting, sorry but that standard father/mother family model is not for all.

I am not overreacting. Satan is that deceptive.

I will never mary and have children, does not force me to a life of celibacy?

You're not being forced to practice Christianity or be celibate. Celibacy is a choice. Marriage is a choice.

And marriage is a holy sacrament, not a sex license, a stable relationship is better, but we should look to ourselves, rather than showing contempt for others.

Marriage, the marital sacrament, is a place for sex as a secondary feature. Married couples can have sex. The first feature of marriage is the communion with God. Intimacy and becoming a parent are secondary features of marriage, but God is first priority. Does that make sense?

Satan, really?

But without Marriage I will never have sex?, right? -_- Sorry but that is unfair.

Sorry, no.

[Tarsonis]

I don't know if you're aware of this, but sex makes babies. Kidding aside, sex at its core a procreative act, it's not archaic to say this, it's simple science. Beyond this sexuality comes into play, and makes it a much more complicated thing. The theology of the body wouldn't deny this, but would teach that the procreative element should never discarded.

Sure, the procreative element should never discarded, but there are ways around that you know, but you would probably call that evil, never mind, I will leave BEFORE I am demonized.

Good day.

Sorry, I wasn't trying to do that. I was seriously kidding, but I realize the joke didn't land hence why I deleted it.



As for ways around it, that would be the same as discarding it.

[Rosmana]

Sure, the procreative element should never discarded, but there are ways around that you know, but you would probably call that evil, never mind, I will leave BEFORE I am demonized.

Good day.

Sorry, I wasn't trying to do that. I was seriously kidding, but I realize the joke didn't land hence why I deleted it.



As for ways around it, that would be the same as discarding it.

I do not see why, but meh, I am not going to debate that anymore.

[Tarsonis]

Sorry, I wasn't trying to do that. I was seriously kidding, but I realize the joke didn't land hence why I deleted it.



As for ways around it, that would be the same as discarding it.

I do not see why, but meh, I am not going to debate that anymore.

If you prevent the procreation, you eliminated eliminated the procreative element, haven't you?

[Sundiata]

I don't know if you're aware of this, but sex makes babies. Kidding aside, sex at its core a procreative act, it's not archaic to say this, it's simple science. Beyond this sexuality comes into play, and makes it a much more complicated thing. The theology of the body wouldn't deny this, but would teach that the procreative element should never discarded.
Sure, the procreative element should never discarded, but there are ways around that you know, but you would probably call that evil, never mind, I will leave BEFORE I am demonized.

Good day.

We're not judging you because we're telling you that the proper place for sex is in marriage. You're always welcome here even if you strongly disagree with me or anyone else.

You will not be demonized. You will not be judged for your difference of opinion. You will not be spoken of behind your back, and you will not be treated poorly. We are Christians, bound not to judge others.

Again, you are always welcome here.

[Rosmana]

I don't know if you're aware of this, but sex makes babies. Kidding aside, sex at its core a procreative act, it's not archaic to say this, it's simple science. Beyond this sexuality comes into play, and makes it a much more complicated thing. The theology of the body wouldn't deny this, but would teach that the procreative element should never discarded.
Sure, the procreative element should never discarded, but there are ways around that you know, but you would probably call that evil, never mind, I will leave BEFORE I am demonized.

Good day.

We're not judging you because we're telling you that the proper place for sex is in marriage. You're always welcome here even if you strongly disagree with me or anyone else.

You will not be demonized or judged for your difference opinion, you will not be spoken of behind your back, and you will not be treated poorly.

Again, you are always welcome here.

Well that is good to hear, I just honestly believe this tradition needs to be changed, that is all.

[Rosmana]

I do not see why, but meh, I am not going to debate that anymore.

If you prevent the procreation, you eliminated eliminated the procreative element, haven't you?

I mean in a general sense, and I se no harm in that.

We are not puritans after all.

[Sundiata]

We're not judging you because we're telling you that the proper place for sex is in marriage. You're always welcome here even if you strongly disagree with me or anyone else.

You will not be demonized or judged for your difference opinion, you will not be spoken of behind your back, and you will not be treated poorly.

Again, you are always welcome here.

Well that is good to hear, I just honestly believe this tradition needs to be changed, that is all.

Do you understand why we're supposed to remain celibate outside of marriage? Jesus taught celibacy for specific reasons.

[Rosmana]

Well that is good to hear, I just honestly believe this tradition needs to be changed, that is all.

Do you understand why we're supposed to remain celibate outside of marriage?

Because that has not been changed yet?, and it should.

[Tarsonis]

We're not judging you because we're telling you that the proper place for sex is in marriage. You're always welcome here even if you strongly disagree with me or anyone else.

You will not be demonized or judged for your difference opinion, you will not be spoken of behind your back, and you will not be treated poorly.

Again, you are always welcome here.

Well that is good to hear, I just honestly believe this tradition needs to be changed, that is all.

Perhaps. The problem is we can't, absent a revelation from God himself.

[Rosmana]

Well that is good to hear, I just honestly believe this tradition needs to be changed, that is all.

Perhaps. The problem is we can't, absent a revelation from God himself.

It has happened you know, only Dogmas can not change, traditions can.

[Tarsonis]

If you prevent the procreation, you eliminated eliminated the procreative element, haven't you?

I mean in a general sense, and I se no harm in that.

We are not puritans after all.

I'm not sure what you mean by general sense.

And no were not Puritans. (Honestly, I don't get how the Puritans could even exist given some of the more risque passages of the Bible.) But holding on to moral customs isn't prudeness.

[Rosmana]

I mean in a general sense, and I se no harm in that.

We are not puritans after all.

I'm not sure what you mean by general sense.

And no were not Puritans. (Honestly, I don't get how the Puritans could even exist given some of the more risque passages of the Bible.) But holding on to moral customs isn't prudeness.

Neither is altering them if needed.

[Tarsonis]

Perhaps. The problem is we can't, absent a revelation from God himself.

It has happened you know, only Dogmas can not change, traditions can.

Except sexuality isn't an issue of tradition, it's an issue of moral doctrine which is just as immovable as dogma is.

[Punished UMN]

I'm not sure what you mean by general sense.

And no were not Puritans. (Honestly, I don't get how the Puritans could even exist given some of the more risque passages of the Bible.) But holding on to moral customs isn't prudeness.

Neither is altering them if needed.

What is needed about it, exactly?

[Tarsonis]

I'm not sure what you mean by general sense.

And no were not Puritans. (Honestly, I don't get how the Puritans could even exist given some of the more risque passages of the Bible.) But holding on to moral customs isn't prudeness.

Neither is altering them if needed.

You're not advocating altering though, you're advocating reversing them.

[Tarsonis]

Neither is altering them if needed.

What is needed about it, exactly?

I know you mean well, but let's not dogpile.

[Rosmana]

Neither is altering them if needed.

You're not advocating altering though, you're advocating reversing them.

No I am not, you are putting words and intent in my mouth, please cease.

[Tarsonis]

You're not advocating altering though, you're advocating reversing them.

No I am not, you are putting words and intent in my mouth, please cease.

Apologies. From my understanding you've said that sex outside of marriage should be permitted. Currently the teachings of the Church say it isn't. Isn't that a reversal? Or am I mistaken?