NATION

PASSWORD

Christian Discussion Thread XI: Anicetus’ Revenge

For discussion and debate about anything. (Not a roleplay related forum; out-of-character commentary only.)

Advertisement

Remove ads

What is your denomination?

Roman Catholic
188
40%
Eastern Orthodox
30
6%
Non-Chalcedonian (Oriental Orthodox, Church of the East, etc.)
1
0%
Anglican/Episcopalian
24
5%
Lutheran or Reformed (including Calvinist, Presbyterian, etc.)
50
11%
Methodist
8
2%
Baptist
45
10%
Other Evangelical Protestant (Pentecostal, Charismatic, etc.)
37
8%
Restorationist (LDS Movement, Jehovah's Witness, etc.)
21
4%
Other Christian
65
14%
 
Total votes : 469

User avatar
Great Kauthar
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1730
Founded: May 01, 2016
Conservative Democracy

Postby Great Kauthar » Wed Jan 01, 2020 10:11 am

Celritannia wrote:
Minachia wrote:...what point are you trying to make?


I was wondering how much of Anglicanism remained Catholic, especially in relations to the hierarchy to keep the new religion afloat in it's infancy, while also moving towards Protestantism.

Some Anglicans are still close to Catholicism. Anglo-Catholics for example still say the Tridentine Mass just in the vernacular and afaik don't ordain women. Mainstream Anglicans got infected with the disease of low church Protestantism a long time ago.
"The wicked shall return to Sheol, all the nations that forget God / For the needy shall not always be forgotten, and the hope of the poor shall not perish forever." - Psalms 9:17-18 (ESV)
I am: "A monument to [the RWDT's] collective sins."

User avatar
Celritannia
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 10453
Founded: Nov 10, 2010
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Celritannia » Wed Jan 01, 2020 11:07 am

Great Kauthar wrote:
Celritannia wrote:
I was wondering how much of Anglicanism remained Catholic, especially in relations to the hierarchy to keep the new religion afloat in it's infancy, while also moving towards Protestantism.

Some Anglicans are still close to Catholicism. Anglo-Catholics for example still say the Tridentine Mass just in the vernacular and afaik don't ordain women. Mainstream Anglicans got infected with the disease of low church Protestantism a long time ago.


That's a bit rude, calling low church Protestantism a disease.
They didn't get infected, they just altered.

My DeviantArt
Obey
When you annoy a Celritannian
U W0T M8?
Zirkagrad wrote:A person with a penchant for flying lions with long tongues, could possibly be a fan of Kiss. Maybe the classiest nation with a lion with its tongue hanging out. Enjoys only the finest tea.

Nakena wrote:NSG's Most Serene Salad

Crysuko wrote:My little crony: corruption is magic
Citizen of Earth, Commonwealthian, European, British, Yorkshireman.
Atheist, Environmentalist, Pansexual, Left-Libertarian.

User avatar
Dylar
Negotiator
 
Posts: 6395
Founded: Jan 07, 2016
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Dylar » Wed Jan 01, 2020 11:27 am

Happy New Year and Solemnity of Mary, Mother of God!
St. Albert the Great wrote:"Natural science does not consist in ratifying what others have said, but in seeking the causes of phenomena."
Franko Tildon wrote:Fire washes the skin off the bone and the sin off the soul. It cleans away the dirt. And my momma didn't raise herself no dirty boy.

Pro: Life, Catholic, religious freedom, guns
Against: gun control, abortion, militant atheism
Interests: Video Games, Military History, Catholic theology, Sci-Fi, and Table-Top Miniatures games
Favorite music genres: Metal, Drinking songs, Polka, Military Marches, Hardbass, and Movie/Video Game soundtracks

User avatar
Lower Nubia
Minister
 
Posts: 2430
Founded: Dec 22, 2017
New York Times Democracy

Postby Lower Nubia » Wed Jan 01, 2020 11:28 am

Celritannia wrote:
Great Kauthar wrote:Some Anglicans are still close to Catholicism. Anglo-Catholics for example still say the Tridentine Mass just in the vernacular and afaik don't ordain women. Mainstream Anglicans got infected with the disease of low church Protestantism a long time ago.


That's a bit rude, calling low church Protestantism a disease.
They didn't get infected, they just altered.


"A particular quality or disposition regarded as adversely affecting a person or group of people."

Low-church Anglicanism has that quality.
  1. Anglo-Catholic
    Anglican
  2. Socially Centre-Right
  3. Economically Centre-left
  4. Asperger
    Syndrome
  5. Graduated
    in Biochemistry
Her Region of Africa
Her Overview (WIP)
"These are they who are made like to God as far as possible, of their own free will, and by God's indwelling, and by His abiding grace. They are truly called gods, not by nature, but by participation; just as red-hot iron is called fire, not by nature, but by participation in the fire's action."
Signature Updated: 19th March, 2020

User avatar
Celritannia
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 10453
Founded: Nov 10, 2010
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Celritannia » Wed Jan 01, 2020 11:37 am

Lower Nubia wrote:
Celritannia wrote:
That's a bit rude, calling low church Protestantism a disease.
They didn't get infected, they just altered.


"A particular quality or disposition regarded as adversely affecting a person or group of people."

Low-church Anglicanism has that quality.


But they allowed the change to happen, so it's not as if it was by force.

My DeviantArt
Obey
When you annoy a Celritannian
U W0T M8?
Zirkagrad wrote:A person with a penchant for flying lions with long tongues, could possibly be a fan of Kiss. Maybe the classiest nation with a lion with its tongue hanging out. Enjoys only the finest tea.

Nakena wrote:NSG's Most Serene Salad

Crysuko wrote:My little crony: corruption is magic
Citizen of Earth, Commonwealthian, European, British, Yorkshireman.
Atheist, Environmentalist, Pansexual, Left-Libertarian.

User avatar
Lower Nubia
Minister
 
Posts: 2430
Founded: Dec 22, 2017
New York Times Democracy

Postby Lower Nubia » Wed Jan 01, 2020 11:38 am

Celritannia wrote:
Lower Nubia wrote:
"A particular quality or disposition regarded as adversely affecting a person or group of people."

Low-church Anglicanism has that quality.


But they allowed the change to happen, so it's not as if it was by force.


And?
  1. Anglo-Catholic
    Anglican
  2. Socially Centre-Right
  3. Economically Centre-left
  4. Asperger
    Syndrome
  5. Graduated
    in Biochemistry
Her Region of Africa
Her Overview (WIP)
"These are they who are made like to God as far as possible, of their own free will, and by God's indwelling, and by His abiding grace. They are truly called gods, not by nature, but by participation; just as red-hot iron is called fire, not by nature, but by participation in the fire's action."
Signature Updated: 19th March, 2020

User avatar
Nazariles
Bureaucrat
 
Posts: 52
Founded: Aug 02, 2019
Ex-Nation

Postby Nazariles » Wed Jan 01, 2020 11:56 am

What do you all think of the Hebrew Roots Movement? Personally, I am a bit divided over the movements views. I could well consider their criticism of the festivities of Christmas and Easter as a bit legitimate, and some of their views on pagan influences on Christian culture is interesting. However, I kinda view them as a bit of a fringe group, considering that the idea of practicing Hebrew traditions and upholding the Torah as the absolute law as a bit new (I know the Adventists practice Sabbath, but most of the ideas from the Hebrew Roots Movement are quite....uh..exotic).

This also makes me wonder about the function of The New Testament, whether it was meant to declare The Old Testament obsolete or just to fulfill it.
-Christian Democrat
-Distributist
-Syncretic
-Personalist
-Ecologist
-Corporatist
-
Formerly The nation of Painisia November 2017 - August 2019

User avatar
Lost Memories
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1630
Founded: Nov 29, 2012
Democratic Socialists

Postby Lost Memories » Wed Jan 01, 2020 12:17 pm

All this talk about Anglicanism and its remnants of catholicism made me think about an hypothetical.

If Anglicanism was to merge back into catholicism, would the King/Queen of the United Kingdom be crowned by the Pope?
Or would that remain a local matter, so still under the archbishop of Canterbury?
Or would the whole ceremony be revised, as the current one seems to include the fealty from the crowning archbishop and other bishops, which wouldn't work in catholicism.
http://www.politicaltest.net/test/result/222881/

ag

"The whole is something else than the sum of its parts" -Kurt Koffka

A fox tried to reach some grapes hanging high on the vine, but was unable to.
As he went away, the fox remarked 'Oh, you aren't even ripe yet!'
As such are people who speak disparagingly of things that they cannot attain.
-The Fox and the Grapes

"Dictionaries don't decide what words mean. Prescriptivism is the ultimate form of elitism." -United Muscovite Nations
or subtle illiteracy, or lazy sidetracking. Just fucking follow the context. And ask when in doubt.

Not-asimov

We're all a bit stupid and ignorant, just be humble about it.

User avatar
Sundiata
Senator
 
Posts: 3871
Founded: Sep 27, 2019
Liberal Democratic Socialists

Postby Sundiata » Wed Jan 01, 2020 12:32 pm

Oh boy. :)
Gender: Male
Religion: Catholic (Opus Dei)
Politics: Solidarity (Catholic Social Teaching)
Economics: Rerum Novarum (The Encyclical)
Alignment: Lawful Good

"Don't say, 'That person bothers me.' Think: 'That person sanctifies me.'"
-St. Josemaria Escriva (Founder of Opus Dei)

User avatar
Lower Nubia
Minister
 
Posts: 2430
Founded: Dec 22, 2017
New York Times Democracy

Postby Lower Nubia » Wed Jan 01, 2020 1:33 pm

Lost Memories wrote:All this talk about Anglicanism and its remnants of catholicism made me think about an hypothetical.

If Anglicanism was to merge back into catholicism, would the King/Queen of the United Kingdom be crowned by the Pope?
Or would that remain a local matter, so still under the archbishop of Canterbury?
Or would the whole ceremony be revised, as the current one seems to include the fealty from the crowning archbishop and other bishops, which wouldn't work in catholicism.


The Archbishop of Canterbury would still do the coronation, as was the case before the Protestant Reformation. No doubt there would be a revision of the service along the lines of the Anglican Ordinariate.
Last edited by Lower Nubia on Wed Jan 01, 2020 1:35 pm, edited 1 time in total.
  1. Anglo-Catholic
    Anglican
  2. Socially Centre-Right
  3. Economically Centre-left
  4. Asperger
    Syndrome
  5. Graduated
    in Biochemistry
Her Region of Africa
Her Overview (WIP)
"These are they who are made like to God as far as possible, of their own free will, and by God's indwelling, and by His abiding grace. They are truly called gods, not by nature, but by participation; just as red-hot iron is called fire, not by nature, but by participation in the fire's action."
Signature Updated: 19th March, 2020

User avatar
Lower Nubia
Minister
 
Posts: 2430
Founded: Dec 22, 2017
New York Times Democracy

Postby Lower Nubia » Wed Jan 01, 2020 1:36 pm

Nazariles wrote:What do you all think of the Hebrew Roots Movement? Personally, I am a bit divided over the movements views. I could well consider their criticism of the festivities of Christmas and Easter as a bit legitimate, and some of their views on pagan influences on Christian culture is interesting. However, I kinda view them as a bit of a fringe group, considering that the idea of practicing Hebrew traditions and upholding the Torah as the absolute law as a bit new (I know the Adventists practice Sabbath, but most of the ideas from the Hebrew Roots Movement are quite....uh..exotic).

This also makes me wonder about the function of The New Testament, whether it was meant to declare The Old Testament obsolete or just to fulfill it.


They're bad, bad, heretics. Paul dealt with that lot in the 1st century.

Oh, and a scriptural (Acts 10:9-16) refutation:

"On the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour: And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance, And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending upon him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth: Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air. And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat. But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean. And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common. This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven."
Last edited by Lower Nubia on Wed Jan 01, 2020 1:43 pm, edited 3 times in total.
  1. Anglo-Catholic
    Anglican
  2. Socially Centre-Right
  3. Economically Centre-left
  4. Asperger
    Syndrome
  5. Graduated
    in Biochemistry
Her Region of Africa
Her Overview (WIP)
"These are they who are made like to God as far as possible, of their own free will, and by God's indwelling, and by His abiding grace. They are truly called gods, not by nature, but by participation; just as red-hot iron is called fire, not by nature, but by participation in the fire's action."
Signature Updated: 19th March, 2020

User avatar
Isles of Metanoia
Diplomat
 
Posts: 657
Founded: Feb 28, 2015
Ex-Nation

Postby Isles of Metanoia » Thu Jan 02, 2020 3:38 am

:clap:
From the Philippines; Roman Catholic but Cosmopolitan; A member of the Alt-Lite.

User avatar
New Visayan Islands
Forum Moderator
 
Posts: 4096
Founded: Jan 31, 2017
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby New Visayan Islands » Thu Jan 02, 2020 7:26 am

Lower Nubia wrote:
Lost Memories wrote:All this talk about Anglicanism and its remnants of catholicism made me think about an hypothetical.

If Anglicanism was to merge back into catholicism, would the King/Queen of the United Kingdom be crowned by the Pope?
Or would that remain a local matter, so still under the archbishop of Canterbury?
Or would the whole ceremony be revised, as the current one seems to include the fealty from the crowning archbishop and other bishops, which wouldn't work in catholicism.


The Archbishop of Canterbury would still do the coronation, as was the case before the Protestant Reformation. No doubt there would be a revision of the service along the lines of the Anglican Ordinariate.

And what of the Anglican Communion?
Joined the ranks of Moderation in the wee hours of the morning of September 19th, AD 2020.
For details on the man behind NVI, click here.

User avatar
Diopolis
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 16830
Founded: May 15, 2012
Iron Fist Consumerists

Postby Diopolis » Thu Jan 02, 2020 8:01 am

Nazariles wrote:What do you all think of the Hebrew Roots Movement? Personally, I am a bit divided over the movements views. I could well consider their criticism of the festivities of Christmas and Easter as a bit legitimate, and some of their views on pagan influences on Christian culture is interesting. However, I kinda view them as a bit of a fringe group, considering that the idea of practicing Hebrew traditions and upholding the Torah as the absolute law as a bit new (I know the Adventists practice Sabbath, but most of the ideas from the Hebrew Roots Movement are quite....uh..exotic).

This also makes me wonder about the function of The New Testament, whether it was meant to declare The Old Testament obsolete or just to fulfill it.

Anyone else remember Ephraim?
Proudly anti-mask, moderately anti-vax. 9/11 and OKC bombing truther. Tobacco-cancer link and HIV skeptic.
Economic left -3.88, authoritarian 6.15
Thoughts
Abortion is not healthcare.

User avatar
The New California Republic
Post Czar
 
Posts: 30549
Founded: Jun 06, 2011
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby The New California Republic » Thu Jan 02, 2020 8:05 am

Lost Memories wrote:All this talk about Anglicanism and its remnants of catholicism made me think about an hypothetical.

If Anglicanism was to merge back into catholicism, would the King/Queen of the United Kingdom be crowned by the Pope?
Or would that remain a local matter, so still under the archbishop of Canterbury?
Or would the whole ceremony be revised, as the current one seems to include the fealty from the crowning archbishop and other bishops, which wouldn't work in catholicism.

Anglicanism seems to remain distant from Catholicism, and if anything is becoming more distant with the increasingly accepted ordination of women in the Anglican Communion etc.
Last edited by The New California Republic on Thu Jan 02, 2020 8:06 am, edited 1 time in total.
Last edited by Sigmund Freud on Sat Sep 23, 1939 2:23 am, edited 999 times in total.

The Irradiated Wasteland of The New California Republic: depicting the expanded NCR, several years after the total victory over Caesar's Legion, and the annexation of New Vegas and its surrounding areas.

White-collared conservatives flashing down the street
Pointing their plastic finger at me
They're hoping soon, my kind will drop and die
But I'm going to wave my freak flag high
Wave on, wave on
||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||

User avatar
The Xenopolis Confederation
Powerbroker
 
Posts: 8359
Founded: Aug 11, 2017
Anarchy

Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Thu Jan 02, 2020 8:16 am

Great Kauthar wrote:
Celritannia wrote:
I was wondering how much of Anglicanism remained Catholic, especially in relations to the hierarchy to keep the new religion afloat in it's infancy, while also moving towards Protestantism.

Some Anglicans are still close to Catholicism. Anglo-Catholics for example still say the Tridentine Mass just in the vernacular and afaik don't ordain women. Mainstream Anglicans got infected with the disease of low church Protestantism a long time ago.

What's wrong with ordaining women?
Pro: Liberty, Liberalism, Capitalism, Secularism, Equal opportunity, Direct Democracy, Windows Chauvinism, Progressive Rock, LGBT+ Rights, Live and let live tbh.
Against: Authoritarianism, Traditionalism, Non-Market-Socialism, Laissez-Faire Capitalism, Autocracy, (A)Theocracy, Macs, "The ends justify the means," Collectivism in all its forms.
Economic: 0.5
Social: -8
I'm a 19 year old Australian. Liberalism with a dash of lolbert. I don't do as much research as I should.

I'm a MTF transgender person, so I'd prefer you use she/her pronouns on me. If not, he/him'll do.

User avatar
Lower Nubia
Minister
 
Posts: 2430
Founded: Dec 22, 2017
New York Times Democracy

Postby Lower Nubia » Thu Jan 02, 2020 9:09 am

New Visayan Islands wrote:
Lower Nubia wrote:
The Archbishop of Canterbury would still do the coronation, as was the case before the Protestant Reformation. No doubt there would be a revision of the service along the lines of the Anglican Ordinariate.

And what of the Anglican Communion?


It would dissolve into the Anglican Ordinariate, a supranational diocese of unique, but Catholic approved, liturgical structures, with Anglican clergy either being ordained (with their consent) into the ordinariate, and prior bishops being given an honourary title.

Is the most likely outcome - of this unlikely outcome.
Last edited by Lower Nubia on Thu Jan 02, 2020 9:14 am, edited 2 times in total.
  1. Anglo-Catholic
    Anglican
  2. Socially Centre-Right
  3. Economically Centre-left
  4. Asperger
    Syndrome
  5. Graduated
    in Biochemistry
Her Region of Africa
Her Overview (WIP)
"These are they who are made like to God as far as possible, of their own free will, and by God's indwelling, and by His abiding grace. They are truly called gods, not by nature, but by participation; just as red-hot iron is called fire, not by nature, but by participation in the fire's action."
Signature Updated: 19th March, 2020

User avatar
Lost Memories
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1630
Founded: Nov 29, 2012
Democratic Socialists

Postby Lost Memories » Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:53 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Lost Memories wrote:All this talk about Anglicanism and its remnants of catholicism made me think about an hypothetical.

If Anglicanism was to merge back into catholicism, would the King/Queen of the United Kingdom be crowned by the Pope?
Or would that remain a local matter, so still under the archbishop of Canterbury?
Or would the whole ceremony be revised, as the current one seems to include the fealty from the crowning archbishop and other bishops, which wouldn't work in catholicism.

Anglicanism seems to remain distant from Catholicism, and if anything is becoming more distant with the increasingly accepted ordination of women in the Anglican Communion etc.

Not my point, but ok.
http://www.politicaltest.net/test/result/222881/

ag

"The whole is something else than the sum of its parts" -Kurt Koffka

A fox tried to reach some grapes hanging high on the vine, but was unable to.
As he went away, the fox remarked 'Oh, you aren't even ripe yet!'
As such are people who speak disparagingly of things that they cannot attain.
-The Fox and the Grapes

"Dictionaries don't decide what words mean. Prescriptivism is the ultimate form of elitism." -United Muscovite Nations
or subtle illiteracy, or lazy sidetracking. Just fucking follow the context. And ask when in doubt.

Not-asimov

We're all a bit stupid and ignorant, just be humble about it.

User avatar
Lost Memories
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1630
Founded: Nov 29, 2012
Democratic Socialists

Postby Lost Memories » Thu Jan 02, 2020 11:03 am

Lower Nubia wrote:
Lower Nubia wrote:
The Archbishop of Canterbury would still do the coronation, as was the case before the Protestant Reformation. No doubt there would be a revision of the service along the lines of the Anglican Ordinariate.
New Visayan Islands wrote:And what of the Anglican Communion?


It would dissolve into the Anglican Ordinariate, a supranational diocese of unique, but Catholic approved, liturgical structures, with Anglican clergy either being ordained (with their consent) into the ordinariate, and prior bishops being given an honourary title.

Is the most likely outcome - of this unlikely outcome.

Are you talking about this ordinariate?
A personal ordinariate, sometimes called a "personal ordinariate for former Anglicans"[1][2] or more informally an "Anglican ordinariate",[3] is a canonical structure within the Catholic Church established in accordance with the apostolic constitution Anglicanorum coetibus of 4 November 2009[4][5][6][7] and its complementary norms.[8] The ordinariates were established in order to enable "groups of Anglicans"[9] to join the Catholic Church while preserving elements of their liturgical and spiritual patrimony. They are juridically equivalent to a diocese, "a particular church in which and from which exists the one and unique Catholic Church",[10] but may be erected in the same territory as other dioceses "by reason of the rite of the faithful or some similar reason".[10]

Three primarily Anglophone ordinariates were established between 2011 and 2012:
Personal Ordinariate of Our Lady of Walsingham (England and Wales, Scotland)
Personal Ordinariate of the Chair of Saint Peter (United States, Canada)
Personal Ordinariate of Our Lady of the Southern Cross (Australia, Japan)

Seems pretty recent, at first i thought you were talking about an older structure, from before the reformation. Or that is was more of an original idea.
http://www.politicaltest.net/test/result/222881/

ag

"The whole is something else than the sum of its parts" -Kurt Koffka

A fox tried to reach some grapes hanging high on the vine, but was unable to.
As he went away, the fox remarked 'Oh, you aren't even ripe yet!'
As such are people who speak disparagingly of things that they cannot attain.
-The Fox and the Grapes

"Dictionaries don't decide what words mean. Prescriptivism is the ultimate form of elitism." -United Muscovite Nations
or subtle illiteracy, or lazy sidetracking. Just fucking follow the context. And ask when in doubt.

Not-asimov

We're all a bit stupid and ignorant, just be humble about it.

User avatar
The New California Republic
Post Czar
 
Posts: 30549
Founded: Jun 06, 2011
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby The New California Republic » Thu Jan 02, 2020 11:04 am

Lost Memories wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Anglicanism seems to remain distant from Catholicism, and if anything is becoming more distant with the increasingly accepted ordination of women in the Anglican Communion etc.

Not my point, but ok.

Just pointing out that the scenario indicated is highly unlikely.
Last edited by Sigmund Freud on Sat Sep 23, 1939 2:23 am, edited 999 times in total.

The Irradiated Wasteland of The New California Republic: depicting the expanded NCR, several years after the total victory over Caesar's Legion, and the annexation of New Vegas and its surrounding areas.

White-collared conservatives flashing down the street
Pointing their plastic finger at me
They're hoping soon, my kind will drop and die
But I'm going to wave my freak flag high
Wave on, wave on
||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||

User avatar
Lost Memories
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1630
Founded: Nov 29, 2012
Democratic Socialists

Postby Lost Memories » Thu Jan 02, 2020 11:10 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Lost Memories wrote:Not my point, but ok.

Just pointing out that the scenario indicated is highly unlikely.

Does an "hypothetical" question have to be likely? Or what other word would you use to describe an... "hypothetical" scenario where the focus is on figuring out the most likely outcome given the premise? And not the likeliness of the premise itself?

Maybe "hypothetical" wasn't the correct word, what should i have used to be linguistically correct? Dear sir*
Last edited by Lost Memories on Thu Jan 02, 2020 11:11 am, edited 1 time in total.
http://www.politicaltest.net/test/result/222881/

ag

"The whole is something else than the sum of its parts" -Kurt Koffka

A fox tried to reach some grapes hanging high on the vine, but was unable to.
As he went away, the fox remarked 'Oh, you aren't even ripe yet!'
As such are people who speak disparagingly of things that they cannot attain.
-The Fox and the Grapes

"Dictionaries don't decide what words mean. Prescriptivism is the ultimate form of elitism." -United Muscovite Nations
or subtle illiteracy, or lazy sidetracking. Just fucking follow the context. And ask when in doubt.

Not-asimov

We're all a bit stupid and ignorant, just be humble about it.

User avatar
The New California Republic
Post Czar
 
Posts: 30549
Founded: Jun 06, 2011
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby The New California Republic » Thu Jan 02, 2020 11:14 am

Lost Memories wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Just pointing out that the scenario indicated is highly unlikely.

Does an "hypothetical" question have to be likely?

For a hypothetical to be of any real use it should have some semblance to reality.
Last edited by Sigmund Freud on Sat Sep 23, 1939 2:23 am, edited 999 times in total.

The Irradiated Wasteland of The New California Republic: depicting the expanded NCR, several years after the total victory over Caesar's Legion, and the annexation of New Vegas and its surrounding areas.

White-collared conservatives flashing down the street
Pointing their plastic finger at me
They're hoping soon, my kind will drop and die
But I'm going to wave my freak flag high
Wave on, wave on
||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||

User avatar
Lost Memories
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1630
Founded: Nov 29, 2012
Democratic Socialists

Postby Lost Memories » Thu Jan 02, 2020 11:18 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Lost Memories wrote:Does an "hypothetical" question have to be likely?

For a hypothetical to be of any real use it should have some semblance to reality.

Reply the whole post please.
"hypothetical" is just a word, you're getting hung up on a word while missing entirely the point. If the word doesn't work, then what was the correct word for the meaning i have expressed?

Or there is no linguistic issue, but more of a case of "questioning the question instead of answering it" ?


edit. honestly, if it's the latter my reply will still be "not the point, but ok"
in the former case instead i'm actually curious, i assumed it was pretty clear what i was meaning, but one can never be sure
Last edited by Lost Memories on Thu Jan 02, 2020 11:23 am, edited 1 time in total.
http://www.politicaltest.net/test/result/222881/

ag

"The whole is something else than the sum of its parts" -Kurt Koffka

A fox tried to reach some grapes hanging high on the vine, but was unable to.
As he went away, the fox remarked 'Oh, you aren't even ripe yet!'
As such are people who speak disparagingly of things that they cannot attain.
-The Fox and the Grapes

"Dictionaries don't decide what words mean. Prescriptivism is the ultimate form of elitism." -United Muscovite Nations
or subtle illiteracy, or lazy sidetracking. Just fucking follow the context. And ask when in doubt.

Not-asimov

We're all a bit stupid and ignorant, just be humble about it.

User avatar
The New California Republic
Post Czar
 
Posts: 30549
Founded: Jun 06, 2011
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby The New California Republic » Thu Jan 02, 2020 11:32 am

Lost Memories wrote:"hypothetical" is just a word, you're getting hung up on a word while missing entirely the point. If the word doesn't work, then what was the correct word for the meaning i have expressed?

Not getting hung up on it at all. You focused on that specific word before I did.

Lost Memories wrote:Or there is no linguistic issue, but more of a case of "questioning the question instead of answering it" ?

I would have thought this were clear from what I said, I made it pretty apparent.
Last edited by Sigmund Freud on Sat Sep 23, 1939 2:23 am, edited 999 times in total.

The Irradiated Wasteland of The New California Republic: depicting the expanded NCR, several years after the total victory over Caesar's Legion, and the annexation of New Vegas and its surrounding areas.

White-collared conservatives flashing down the street
Pointing their plastic finger at me
They're hoping soon, my kind will drop and die
But I'm going to wave my freak flag high
Wave on, wave on
||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||

User avatar
Lost Memories
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1630
Founded: Nov 29, 2012
Democratic Socialists

Postby Lost Memories » Thu Jan 02, 2020 11:33 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Lost Memories wrote:"hypothetical" is just a word, you're getting hung up on a word while missing entirely the point. If the word doesn't work, then what was the correct word for the meaning i have expressed?

Not getting hung up on it at all. You focused on that specific word before I did.

Lost Memories wrote:Or there is no linguistic issue, but more of a case of "questioning the question instead of answering it" ?

I would have thought this were clear from what I said, I made it pretty apparent.

Ok then


edit. actually, i think that had i used "conditional" or "supposition" instead of the word "hypothetical" this tiny self-circlejerk would had not even a linguistic basis, but basis have no importance when the intended aim is to sidetrack, reasons can always be made up afterwards...
All in all, thanks California for making me look up more precise words to use the next time i'll propose a thought experiment.
Last edited by Lost Memories on Thu Jan 02, 2020 11:56 am, edited 1 time in total.
http://www.politicaltest.net/test/result/222881/

ag

"The whole is something else than the sum of its parts" -Kurt Koffka

A fox tried to reach some grapes hanging high on the vine, but was unable to.
As he went away, the fox remarked 'Oh, you aren't even ripe yet!'
As such are people who speak disparagingly of things that they cannot attain.
-The Fox and the Grapes

"Dictionaries don't decide what words mean. Prescriptivism is the ultimate form of elitism." -United Muscovite Nations
or subtle illiteracy, or lazy sidetracking. Just fucking follow the context. And ask when in doubt.

Not-asimov

We're all a bit stupid and ignorant, just be humble about it.

PreviousNext

Advertisement

Remove ads

Return to General

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Altmoras, An Alan Smithee Nation, Burundar, Glorious Hong Kong, Google Adsense [Bot], Nilokeras, Old Tyrannia, Omniabstracta, Radiatia, Resilient Acceleration, Shrillland, Surrealist Patagonia, The National Dominion of Hungary, The Xenopolis Confederation, Uiiop, Xanthal

Advertisement

Remove ads