Christian Discussion Thread XI: Anicetus’ Revenge

[Diopolis]

Unfortunately this does not speak of their virtues.

Honestly I think they deserve some slack. Balancing Catholic morality with American legalism is not an easy feat.

I mean, Scalia did a much better job than Ted Kennedy. This isn't much of a competition.

[Luminesa]

By November, the US might have a Catholic President, a Catholic Speaker of the House, and a Catholic Chief Justice

I wouldn't exactly be proud of Joe Biden representing Catholic presidents.

[Brunswick-upon-Raritan]

RIP RFK

[Dylar]

By November, the US might have a Catholic President, a Catholic Speaker of the House, and a Catholic Chief Justice

I wouldn't exactly be proud of Joe Biden representing Catholic presidents.

Honestly I didn't even know he was Catholic tbqh.

[Northern Davincia]

Unfortunately this does not speak of their virtues.

Honestly I think they deserve some slack. Balancing Catholic morality with American legalism is not an easy feat.

This is true, but I hold the church accountable for not excommunicating abortion-friendly Catholics.

[Bienenhalde]

Honestly I think they deserve some slack. Balancing Catholic morality with American legalism is not an easy feat.

This is true, but I hold the church accountable for not excommunicating abortion-friendly Catholics.

Supposedly Christian politicians failing to oppose abortion is a problem, but I hardly see how libertarians have any moral high ground here. If you support unregulated, unlimited access to guns and oppose a welfare state that proper provides proper support for the poor and especially for mothers and children, you cannot honestly call yourself "pro-life".

[Diopolis]

This is true, but I hold the church accountable for not excommunicating abortion-friendly Catholics.

Supposedly Christian politicians failing to oppose abortion is a problem, but I hardly see how libertarians have any moral high ground here. If you support unregulated, unlimited access to guns and oppose a welfare state that proper provides proper support for the poor and especially for mothers and children, you cannot honestly call yourself "pro-life".

Ah, seamless garment nonsense.

[Bienenhalde]

Supposedly Christian politicians failing to oppose abortion is a problem, but I hardly see how libertarians have any moral high ground here. If you support unregulated, unlimited access to guns and oppose a welfare state that proper provides proper support for the poor and especially for mothers and children, you cannot honestly call yourself "pro-life".

Ah, seamless garment nonsense.

Not nonsense, common sense. Do you really think fusionist shilling for corrupt corporations is really a good idea?

[Tarsonis]

Honestly I think they deserve some slack. Balancing Catholic morality with American legalism is not an easy feat.

This is true, but I hold the church accountable for not excommunicating abortion-friendly Catholics.

Problem is what constitutes an "abortion-friendly" catholic is a matter of opinion.

[Diopolis]

This is true, but I hold the church accountable for not excommunicating abortion-friendly Catholics.

Problem is what constitutes an "abortion-friendly" catholic is a matter of opinion.

Oh please. Let's not pretend anyone with eyes and ears is going to have the opinion that Joe Biden, John Kerry, Nancy Pelosi, and their ilk are not "abortion friendly" unless being deliberately obtuse.

Ah, seamless garment nonsense.

Not nonsense, common sense. Do you really think fusionist shilling for corrupt corporations is really a good idea?

You forget I'm an anticapitalist. But gun control and welfare are not pro-life issues, and it's little more than whataboutism to pretend they aren't.

[Australian rePublic]

If I wanted to build a church (as in the physical building), how would I go about starting a fund-raiser?

[Tarsonis]

Supposedly Christian politicians failing to oppose abortion is a problem, but I hardly see how libertarians have any moral high ground here. If you support unregulated, unlimited access to guns and oppose a welfare state that proper provides proper support for the poor and especially for mothers and children, you cannot honestly call yourself "pro-life".

Ah, seamless garment nonsense.

The seamless garment of life is a logical conclusion of Catholic Theology. The Catholic view of death is unimpeachable, No Abortion, No Euthanasia, No Capital Punishment.

[Tarsonis]

If I wanted to build a church (as in the physical building), how would I go about starting a fund-raiser?

You need a flock first

[Luminesa]

Ah, seamless garment nonsense.

The seamless garment of life is a logical conclusion of Catholic Theology. The Catholic view of death is unimpeachable, No Abortion, No Euthanasia, No Capital Punishment.

^^^

As much as ^ is not a comment, really, it's the truth. The Catholic Church does not support these forces of death, as much as it does not support fascism.

[Tarsonis]

Problem is what constitutes an "abortion-friendly" catholic is a matter of opinion.

Oh please. Let's not pretend anyone with eyes and ears is going to have the opinion that Joe Biden, John Kerry, Nancy Pelosi, and their ilk are not "abortion friendly" unless being deliberately obtuse.

Not nonsense, common sense. Do you really think fusionist shilling for corrupt corporations is really a good idea?

You forget I'm an anticapitalist. But gun control and welfare are not pro-life issues, and it's little more than whataboutism to pretend they aren't.

Sure, but people tend to treat it like its a dichotomous position and it's not. It's a complicated issue and there's a gradient of positions.

[Luminesa]

Problem is what constitutes an "abortion-friendly" catholic is a matter of opinion.

Oh please. Let's not pretend anyone with eyes and ears is going to have the opinion that Joe Biden, John Kerry, Nancy Pelosi, and their ilk are not "abortion friendly" unless being deliberately obtuse.

Not nonsense, common sense. Do you really think fusionist shilling for corrupt corporations is really a good idea?

You forget I'm an anticapitalist. But gun control and welfare are not pro-life issues, and it's little more than whataboutism to pretend they aren't.

Guns and welfare are absolutely matters related to life and its preservation, therefore they are pro-life issues.

[Luminesa]

I wouldn't exactly be proud of Joe Biden representing Catholic presidents.

Honestly I didn't even know he was Catholic tbqh.

He's claimed in the past to be a "cultural" Catholic.

[Australian rePublic]

If I wanted to build a church (as in the physical building), how would I go about starting a fund-raiser?

You need a flock first

A flock? You mean a group of people? How do go about gathering one of them

[Tarsonis]

You need a flock first

A flock? You mean a group of people? How do go about gathering one of them

Become a priest first

[Australian rePublic]

A flock? You mean a group of people? How do go about gathering one of them

Become a priest first

How do I go about gatheting one of those when remaining part of the layity? It can be done, women have built churches, despite not being ordination

[Hakons]

This is true, but I hold the church accountable for not excommunicating abortion-friendly Catholics.

Problem is what constitutes an "abortion-friendly" catholic is a matter of opinion.

Perhaps, but the threshold should have been Gov. Cuomo's assault on pro-life Church teaching last year. It was a national outrage among Catholics, but the New York bishops only used words to denounce the politician in their flock. I don't think there's much more room to bend on the issue. The Church teaches an incarnate faith that combines belief with action. Eventually the Church needs to go beyond words, or else it seems she doesn't actually defend her position. Bishops defend their inaction by saying excommunication won't lead to dialogue, but Catholic politicians continue to support worse and worse abortion laws under the present dialogue.

[Hakons]

Ah, seamless garment nonsense.

The seamless garment of life is a logical conclusion of Catholic Theology. The Catholic view of death is unimpeachable, No Abortion, No Euthanasia, No Capital Punishment.

Catholic teaching is beautiful in that it is comprehensive. However, pro-abortion politicians use the seamless garment argument to justify their continued desire for legal abortion. There should be no precondition to ending the termination of human life in the womb. The USCCB is clear that abortion remains the preeminent issue in American politics. We can fight for a society that fully embraces the beauty of life, but abortion is the chief impediment to this realization.

[Northern Davincia]

This is true, but I hold the church accountable for not excommunicating abortion-friendly Catholics.

Supposedly Christian politicians failing to oppose abortion is a problem, but I hardly see how libertarians have any moral high ground here. If you support unregulated, unlimited access to guns and oppose a welfare state that proper provides proper support for the poor and especially for mothers and children, you cannot honestly call yourself "pro-life".

Unlimited access to guns has nothing to do with this discussion.

[Tarsonis]

Become a priest first

How do I go about gatheting one of those when remaining part of the layity? It can be done, women have built churches, despite not being ordination

I'm not going to deny that, but tending the flock is a pastoral vocation.

[Tarsonis]

The seamless garment of life is a logical conclusion of Catholic Theology. The Catholic view of death is unimpeachable, No Abortion, No Euthanasia, No Capital Punishment.

Catholic teaching is beautiful in that it is comprehensive. However, pro-abortion politicians use the seamless garment argument to justify their continued desire for legal abortion. There should be no precondition to ending the termination of human life in the womb. The USCCB is clear that abortion remains the preeminent issue in American politics. We can fight for a society that fully embraces the beauty of life, but abortion is the chief impediment to this realization.

Article 6 of the Constitution states that the Constitution, not religious doctrine, is the Supreme Law of the Land. A Catholic Politician must operate under this frame work.