Christian Discussion Thread XI: Anicetus’ Revenge

[Rosmana]

Strange question but is there a Nationstates Vatican or Pope?

If not I am sticking to Francis.

Plenty of regions which act like a virtual diocese. I'm sure you could find a sedevacantist somewhere here.

Ha, ok, but I meant a Pope for Nationstates since it seems like an alternate timeline or reality.

[Diopolis]

Strange question but is there a Nationstates Vatican or Pope?

If not I am sticking to Francis.

Plenty of regions which act like a virtual diocese. I'm sure you could find a sedevacantist somewhere here.

We have a few sedes that tend to come through here from time to time. This is unsurprising because sedes that aren't enclosed cults are usually Very Online and like spreading their particular version of that theory on message boards full of Catholics.

[Imperium Corturnix]

Plenty of regions which act like a virtual diocese. I'm sure you could find a sedevacantist somewhere here.

We have a few sedes that tend to come through here from time to time. This is unsurprising because sedes that aren't enclosed cults are usually Very Online and like spreading their particular version of that theory on message boards full of Catholics.

That's a very nice and polite way of putting it.

[Diopolis]

We have a few sedes that tend to come through here from time to time. This is unsurprising because sedes that aren't enclosed cults are usually Very Online and like spreading their particular version of that theory on message boards full of Catholics.

That's a very nice and polite way of putting it.

Overly polite is the phrase you're looking for.

[Lower Nubia]

Plenty of regions which act like a virtual diocese. I'm sure you could find a sedevacantist somewhere here.

Ha, ok, but I meant a Pope for Nationstates since it seems like an alternate timeline or reality.

If this Pope is purely RP, and claims no real authority over Catholics, that would be kinda fun.

[Tarsonis]

Plenty of regions which act like a virtual diocese. I'm sure you could find a sedevacantist somewhere here.

Ha, ok, but I meant a Pope for Nationstates since it seems like an alternate timeline or reality.

Someone called me NS Pope a few threads ago

[Sundiata]

Ha, ok, but I meant a Pope for Nationstates since it seems like an alternate timeline or reality.

Someone called me NS Pope a few threads ago

What an honor.

[Lower Nubia]

Someone called me NS Pope a few threads ago

What an honor.

Is that sarcasm?

[Sundiata]

What an honor.

Is that sarcasm?

No.

I would be honored if anyone thought I was fit to inhabit the chair of St. Peter.

[Tarsonis]

Is that sarcasm?

No.

I would be honored if anyone thought I was fit to inhabit the chair of St. Peter.

They were half kidding. I assumed it was cause I'm now the one who OPS the CDT

[Lower Nubia]

Is that sarcasm?

No.

I would be honored if anyone thought I was fit to inhabit the chair of St. Peter.

Well, it would be an NS version of the chair of St. Peter, so a stool.

[Infected Mushroom]

Two questions:

1. The version of Christianity I was exposed to was the type where if you accept Jesus as Lord and Savior you went to heaven when you die... if you don’t, you go to hell after you die. Your good/bad deeds don’t matter, only whether you accepted Jesus or not. What is the name of this version of Christianity and if there is an umbrella term covering various branches, what is the name?

2. What is the percentage of Christians that believe acceptance of/rejection of Jesus is the ONLY factor relating to entry into heaven?

...

So essentially, if I asked the pastor... “Can Ted Bundy go to heaven?”

He would say, maybe in a more palatable way:

“Assuming he accepted Jesus as Lord and Savior, and that would necessitate genuine repentance for what he’s done... yes. We are all sinners.”

[Salus Maior]

No.

I would be honored if anyone thought I was fit to inhabit the chair of St. Peter.

Well, it would be an NS version of the chair of St. Peter, so a stool.

Or a Porcelain throne.

[Tarsonis]

Two questions:

1. The version of Christianity I was exposed to was the type where if you accept Jesus as Lord and Savior you went to heaven when you die... if you don’t, you go to hell after you die. Your good/bad deeds don’t matter, only whether you accepted Jesus or not. What is the name of this version of Christianity and if there is an umbrella term covering various branches, what is the name?

2. What is the percentage of Christians that believe acceptance of/rejection of Jesus is the ONLY factor relating to entry into heaven?

...

So essentially, if I asked the pastor... “Can Ted Bundy go to heaven?”

He would say, maybe in a more palatable way:

“Assuming he accepted Jesus as Lord and Savior, and that would necessitate genuine repentance for what he’s done... yes. We are all sinners.”

Well the problem is, that is technically correct: acceptance of Christ is the only litmus test to salvation. Your actions, for all intents and purposes, don't determine if you go to heaven or not.

However it seems you were exposed to the more evangelical side that pretty much teaches if you close your eyes real tight and say Jesus you're my homeboy then that's it you're good. The truth is much nuanced.

[Lower Nubia]

Two questions:

1. The version of Christianity I was exposed to was the type where if you accept Jesus as Lord and Savior you went to heaven when you die... if you don’t, you go to hell after you die. Your good/bad deeds don’t matter, only whether you accepted Jesus or not. What is the name of this version of Christianity and if there is an umbrella term covering various branches, what is the name?

2. What is the percentage of Christians that believe acceptance of/rejection of Jesus is the ONLY factor relating to entry into heaven?

...

So essentially, if I asked the pastor... “Can Ted Bundy go to heaven?”

He would say, maybe in a more palatable way:

“Assuming he accepted Jesus as Lord and Savior, and that would necessitate genuine repentance for what he’s done... yes. We are all sinners.”

1) Evangelical. Once Saved Always Saved (OSAS), pray once to accept Jesus, bam you're going to heaven even if you eat orphans for fun and know it's evil against God.

B)100% of Christians should believe that Christ is the only way through which heaven is opened. But assuming this statement is tied to question 1) then I'm saying 28% of total self-proclaimed Christians may believe your statement about 1).

[Lower Nubia]

Well, it would be an NS version of the chair of St. Peter, so a stool.

Or a Porcelain throne.

A water closet more than porcelain.

[Infected Mushroom]

Two questions:

1. The version of Christianity I was exposed to was the type where if you accept Jesus as Lord and Savior you went to heaven when you die... if you don’t, you go to hell after you die. Your good/bad deeds don’t matter, only whether you accepted Jesus or not. What is the name of this version of Christianity and if there is an umbrella term covering various branches, what is the name?

2. What is the percentage of Christians that believe acceptance of/rejection of Jesus is the ONLY factor relating to entry into heaven?

...

So essentially, if I asked the pastor... “Can Ted Bundy go to heaven?”

He would say, maybe in a more palatable way:

“Assuming he accepted Jesus as Lord and Savior, and that would necessitate genuine repentance for what he’s done... yes. We are all sinners.”

Well the problem is, that is technically correct: acceptance of Christ is the only litmus test to salvation. Your actions, for all intents and purposes, don't determine if you go to heaven or not.

However it seems you were exposed to the more evangelical side that pretty much teaches if you close your eyes real tight and say Jesus you're my homeboy then that's it you're good. The truth is much nuanced.

They would still say:

“You need to sincerely accept Jesus as the homeboy and that needs to be true at the time you die. So if you only symbolically mess around but your heart is not in it... then you are taking on a risk.”

However, there isn’t some accounting if your good or bad deeds. Only a Status Sign (taking sincerity into account) of whether at any given moment Jesus is your Lord or not.

[Infected Mushroom]

Two questions:

1. The version of Christianity I was exposed to was the type where if you accept Jesus as Lord and Savior you went to heaven when you die... if you don’t, you go to hell after you die. Your good/bad deeds don’t matter, only whether you accepted Jesus or not. What is the name of this version of Christianity and if there is an umbrella term covering various branches, what is the name?

2. What is the percentage of Christians that believe acceptance of/rejection of Jesus is the ONLY factor relating to entry into heaven?

...

So essentially, if I asked the pastor... “Can Ted Bundy go to heaven?”

He would say, maybe in a more palatable way:

“Assuming he accepted Jesus as Lord and Savior, and that would necessitate genuine repentance for what he’s done... yes. We are all sinners.”

1) Evangelical. Once Saved Always Saved (OSAS), pray once to accept Jesus, bam you're going to heaven even if you eat orphans for fun and know it's evil against God.

B)100% of Christians should believe that Christ is the only way through which heaven is opened. But assuming this statement is tied to question 1) then I'm saying 28% of total self-proclaimed Christians may believe your statement about 1).

If you pray once and accept Jesus but that’s us no longer true at the time of death because your heart is no longer “in it” then you can still go to hell

But there is no accounting of good and bad deeds for heaven admission purposes, only an accounting of your true state of belief and true level of acceptance of Christ

If that makes sense

[Diopolis]

Two questions:

1. The version of Christianity I was exposed to was the type where if you accept Jesus as Lord and Savior you went to heaven when you die... if you don’t, you go to hell after you die. Your good/bad deeds don’t matter, only whether you accepted Jesus or not. What is the name of this version of Christianity and if there is an umbrella term covering various branches, what is the name?

2. What is the percentage of Christians that believe acceptance of/rejection of Jesus is the ONLY factor relating to entry into heaven?

...

So essentially, if I asked the pastor... “Can Ted Bundy go to heaven?”

He would say, maybe in a more palatable way:

“Assuming he accepted Jesus as Lord and Savior, and that would necessitate genuine repentance for what he’s done... yes. We are all sinners.”

That doctrine is referred to as salvation through faith alone and is common to protestants worldwide, although most non-evangelical protestants use a definition of faith which boils down to "faith and works". What you're describing sounds like a common evangelical protestant theology, which is not a major percentage of Christians worldwide but more common in the US and Canada.

[Hakons]

What I've found is that even mainline Protestants tend to be more on the Sola Fide side of the debate. The official doctrine of a lot of non-Evangelical Protestant Churches rejects absolute faith alone theology, but their congregations tend to believe similar things to popular Evangelicalism.

[Infected Mushroom]

Two questions:

1. The version of Christianity I was exposed to was the type where if you accept Jesus as Lord and Savior you went to heaven when you die... if you don’t, you go to hell after you die. Your good/bad deeds don’t matter, only whether you accepted Jesus or not. What is the name of this version of Christianity and if there is an umbrella term covering various branches, what is the name?

2. What is the percentage of Christians that believe acceptance of/rejection of Jesus is the ONLY factor relating to entry into heaven?

...

So essentially, if I asked the pastor... “Can Ted Bundy go to heaven?”

He would say, maybe in a more palatable way:

“Assuming he accepted Jesus as Lord and Savior, and that would necessitate genuine repentance for what he’s done... yes. We are all sinners.”

That doctrine is referred to as salvation through faith alone and is common to protestants worldwide, although most non-evangelical protestants use a definition of faith which boils down to "faith and works". What you're describing sounds like a common evangelical protestant theology, which is not a major percentage of Christians worldwide but more common in the US and Canada.

So with faith and works... you could go to hell if you have faith but have committed grievous sins?

[Hakons]

That doctrine is referred to as salvation through faith alone and is common to protestants worldwide, although most non-evangelical protestants use a definition of faith which boils down to "faith and works". What you're describing sounds like a common evangelical protestant theology, which is not a major percentage of Christians worldwide but more common in the US and Canada.

So with faith and works... you could go to hell if you have faith but have committed grievous sins?

"Faith alone" Protestants reject this, but most Christians believe if your actions are contrary to your confessed faith, it's your actions that show your true faith. If your fruits are bad, then the tree from which they spring is bad. Now, everyone sins, and Christ redeems of us of our sins, but every sin is reason for us to go to Hell. This is why we constantly repent our sins and try to correct our behavior. If a Christian doesn't try to act according to the faith, and instead places their salvation solely on a testimony of faith, they grievously endanger their eternal soul.

[Lower Nubia]

Well the problem is, that is technically correct: acceptance of Christ is the only litmus test to salvation. Your actions, for all intents and purposes, don't determine if you go to heaven or not.

However it seems you were exposed to the more evangelical side that pretty much teaches if you close your eyes real tight and say Jesus you're my homeboy then that's it you're good. The truth is much nuanced.

They would still say:

“You need to sincerely accept Jesus as the homeboy and that needs to be true at the time you die. So if you only symbolically mess around but your heart is not in it... then you are taking on a risk.”

However, there isn’t some accounting if your good or bad deeds. Only a Status Sign (taking sincerity into account) of whether at any given moment Jesus is your Lord or not.

That would contradict the Evangelical doctrine of Assurance, that you can be assured of your salvation.

[Lower Nubia]

1) Evangelical. Once Saved Always Saved (OSAS), pray once to accept Jesus, bam you're going to heaven even if you eat orphans for fun and know it's evil against God.

B)100% of Christians should believe that Christ is the only way through which heaven is opened. But assuming this statement is tied to question 1) then I'm saying 28% of total self-proclaimed Christians may believe your statement about 1).

If you pray once and accept Jesus but that’s us no longer true at the time of death because your heart is no longer “in it” then you can still go to hell

But there is no accounting of good and bad deeds for heaven admission purposes, only an accounting of your true state of belief and true level of acceptance of Christ

If that makes sense

Good or bad are not accounted for in some respects, as no man can earn his way to heaven, but you can still do deeds which exemplify the Christian faith. In this respect a Christian is shown by their Christian works, and thus works are an admittance only in that they show genuine faith. Those "works"? Eucharist, Baptism, Confession, & Repentance.

[The Isles of the Grey]

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