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Christian Discussion Thread XI: Anicetus’ Revenge

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What is your denomination?

Roman Catholic
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38%
Eastern Orthodox
47
7%
Non-Chalcedonian (Oriental Orthodox, Church of the East, etc.)
6
1%
Anglican/Episcopalian
35
5%
Lutheran or Reformed (including Calvinist, Presbyterian, etc.)
71
10%
Methodist
16
2%
Baptist
66
9%
Other Evangelical Protestant (Pentecostal, Charismatic, etc.)
62
9%
Restorationist (LDS Movement, Jehovah's Witness, etc.)
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Postby Loeje » Tue May 11, 2021 7:50 pm

Kowani wrote:
Loeje wrote:It looks like I made a mistake posting about the German priests here. I'm sorry.

i don't believe so, no
it was pertinent information, and you couldn't predict that the discussion would take the turn it would
don't worry about it

I spent more time in the CDT once. I definitely could have predicted it. So, it was a mistake. It won't happen again.

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Loeje wrote:It looks like I made a mistake posting about the German priests here. I'm sorry.

You didn't make a mistake. Please do not assume that the Toxic Four AKA Shitflinging Squad are representative of the CDT and the people that would like to actually contribute if it wasn't for their continued insistence on chasing people away.

I wouldn't call anyone here toxic, either. But I think I'll be more careful in the future.
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Postby Salus Maior » Tue May 11, 2021 8:06 pm

Immortan Khan wrote:
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I’m curious, who is actually the ‘toxic four’? I assume I’m one of them.

Yes you are. So is Tars. So is OT. So is LV. All four of you are constantly starting shit in this thread, all four of you have egos way too fucking big, and all four of you contribute to the continued demise of this thread.


Don’t know if that’s entirely fair. But regardless, this thread has been going on for years with our lineup of posters so I think the threads demise is slightly exaggerated
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Postby Tarsonis » Tue May 11, 2021 8:10 pm

Luminesa wrote:
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No, I'm not going to lay off. You're making light of a situation that has very troubling ramifications in the Church right now, right after we had yet another fight over this exact type of shit. You're not lightening the mood, you're spitting in Catholics' face. And you're so fucking self absorbed you can't even see how you're pissing in people's cheerios. And you want to wine about the toxic element in the thread? Look in a mirror, cause you're fucking bringing it it. For fuck sake, THINK.

We’ve had other Catholics (Dylar in particular) already comment that yes, this is a troublesome situation. Maybe LV’s joke had bad timing (to be honest it wasn’t WRONG, the German priests are probably going to get excommunicated), but after every comment that’s been made today about toxicity and then trying to change the subject toward some sort of action, it comes back to this asinine finger-pointing. If you don’t want to talk to LV, then block them. We know that this is a serious matter, and we must pray. Not chase away people who are genuinely trying to come into the Faith.


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Postby Tarsonis » Tue May 11, 2021 8:12 pm

Lady Victory wrote:No, Arch was right. This thread is toxic.



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Imagine the audacity to actually think the people you're mocking are the toxic ones for getting offended.
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Postby Odreria » Tue May 11, 2021 8:12 pm

Loeje wrote:I wouldn't call anyone here toxic, either.

excuse me I'm toxic
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Postby North Washington Republic » Tue May 11, 2021 8:12 pm

Anyway, to get back on topic. I don’t think that the German priests blessing same-sex unions really care if they’re going to be excommunicated. They knew what they were doing was against the churche’s teachings but they did it anyway and they were not shy about it
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Postby Sundiata » Tue May 11, 2021 8:13 pm

Odreria wrote:
Loeje wrote:I wouldn't call anyone here toxic, either.

excuse me I'm toxic

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Postby Luminesa » Tue May 11, 2021 8:13 pm

Just-An-Illusion wrote:How about we calm down.... Before we start another heated argument again.

Agreed. We’ve had enough fighting back and forth for the day.
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Postby Loeje » Tue May 11, 2021 8:14 pm

North Washington Republic wrote:Anyway, to get back on topic. I don’t think that the German priests blessing same-sex unions really care if they’re going to be excommunicated. They knew what they were doing was against the churche’s teachings but they did it anyway and they were not shy about it

They did it because it was against the church's teachings, if I understood correctly. They definitely knew what they were doing. I think they were thinking more about the people in the same-sex unions than anything else, though.
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Postby Odreria » Tue May 11, 2021 8:14 pm

Sundiata wrote:
Odreria wrote:excuse me I'm toxic

Doing well?

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Postby Luminesa » Tue May 11, 2021 8:15 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Luminesa wrote:We’ve had other Catholics (Dylar in particular) already comment that yes, this is a troublesome situation. Maybe LV’s joke had bad timing (to be honest it wasn’t WRONG, the German priests are probably going to get excommunicated), but after every comment that’s been made today about toxicity and then trying to change the subject toward some sort of action, it comes back to this asinine finger-pointing. If you don’t want to talk to LV, then block them. We know that this is a serious matter, and we must pray. Not chase away people who are genuinely trying to come into the Faith.


No Lumi. No. There are things I simply can't abide. I bit my tongue during the early goings on, even when I had a lot to say, because I didn't want to pile on. And after we started to move on, I was content to let it lie. But then right after we got past it, to move on to things, LV goes right back to the toxic behavior that started this. And when I tried to politely point that fact out, that their joking was offensive rather than funny, they decided to double down and claim victim. They're still doing it. And I'm done putting up with it.

Considering that people have posted unironically far, far worse memes in this thread and elsewhere, that was probably the tamest “meme” response I’ve seen in a while. The schism is a big deal, yes. But fighting with LV over it, as IK has suggested, is not going to make it go away. It’s just going to chase other Christians out.
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Postby Tarsonis » Tue May 11, 2021 8:16 pm

North Washington Republic wrote:Anyway, to get back on topic. I don’t think that the German priests blessing same-sex unions really care if they’re going to be excommunicated. They knew what they were doing was against the churche’s teachings but they did it anyway and they were not shy about it


It's been going on for a while. I came across the story a month ago but it's been building for quite some time now. This is the staredown moment, they're essentially daring Francis to make good on excommunication
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Postby Sundiata » Tue May 11, 2021 8:16 pm

North Washington Republic wrote:Anyway, to get back on topic. I don’t think that the German priests blessing same-sex unions really care if they’re going to be excommunicated. They knew what they were doing was against the churche’s teachings but they did it anyway and they were not shy about it

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Postby Tarsonis » Tue May 11, 2021 8:18 pm

Luminesa wrote:
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No Lumi. No. There are things I simply can't abide. I bit my tongue during the early goings on, even when I had a lot to say, because I didn't want to pile on. And after we started to move on, I was content to let it lie. But then right after we got past it, to move on to things, LV goes right back to the toxic behavior that started this. And when I tried to politely point that fact out, that their joking was offensive rather than funny, they decided to double down and claim victim. They're still doing it. And I'm done putting up with it.

Considering that people have posted unironically far, far worse memes in this thread and elsewhere, that was probably the tamest “meme” response I’ve seen in a while. The schism is a big deal, yes. But fighting with LV over it, as IK has suggested, is not going to make it go away. It’s just going to chase other Christians out.


You're missing the point. Its not about the schism situation, it's about LVs continued behavior.
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Postby Kowani » Tue May 11, 2021 8:18 pm

Sundiata wrote:
North Washington Republic wrote:Anyway, to get back on topic. I don’t think that the German priests blessing same-sex unions really care if they’re going to be excommunicated. They knew what they were doing was against the churche’s teachings but they did it anyway and they were not shy about it

Most of all, it's sad to lose priests to Satan.

...I'm sorry, satan?
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Postby North Washington Republic » Tue May 11, 2021 8:21 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
North Washington Republic wrote:Anyway, to get back on topic. I don’t think that the German priests blessing same-sex unions really care if they’re going to be excommunicated. They knew what they were doing was against the churche’s teachings but they did it anyway and they were not shy about it


It's been going on for a while. I came across the story a month ago but it's been building for quite some time now. This is the staredown moment, they're essentially daring Francis to make good on excommunication


Indeed. However, I am sure liberal protestant churches in Germany will welcome them with open arms.

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North Washington Republic wrote:Anyway, to get back on topic. I don’t think that the German priests blessing same-sex unions really care if they’re going to be excommunicated. They knew what they were doing was against the churche’s teachings but they did it anyway and they were not shy about it

Most of all, it's sad to lose priests to Satan.


I wouldn’t go that far. It’s not like they’re having black masses where they desecrate a consecrated host.
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Postby Tarsonis » Tue May 11, 2021 8:23 pm

North Washington Republic wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
It's been going on for a while. I came across the story a month ago but it's been building for quite some time now. This is the staredown moment, they're essentially daring Francis to make good on excommunication


Indeed. However, I am sure liberal protestant churches in Germany will welcome them with open arms.


I'm sure they will, but that's not exactly a goodthing
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Postby Loeje » Tue May 11, 2021 8:24 pm

Sundiata wrote:
North Washington Republic wrote:Anyway, to get back on topic. I don’t think that the German priests blessing same-sex unions really care if they’re going to be excommunicated. They knew what they were doing was against the churche’s teachings but they did it anyway and they were not shy about it

Most of all, it's sad to lose priests to Satan.

That might be going too far. They're really trying to help people and do the right thing.
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Postby Luminesa » Tue May 11, 2021 8:24 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Luminesa wrote:Considering that people have posted unironically far, far worse memes in this thread and elsewhere, that was probably the tamest “meme” response I’ve seen in a while. The schism is a big deal, yes. But fighting with LV over it, as IK has suggested, is not going to make it go away. It’s just going to chase other Christians out.


You're missing the point. Its not about the schism situation, it's about LVs continued behavior.

Okay, LV making a badly-timed meme is probably the least controversial thing she’s said in this thread. At this point it might be best to just drop it and to keep the convo rolling.
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Postby Immortan Khan » Tue May 11, 2021 8:24 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Luminesa wrote:Considering that people have posted unironically far, far worse memes in this thread and elsewhere, that was probably the tamest “meme” response I’ve seen in a while. The schism is a big deal, yes. But fighting with LV over it, as IK has suggested, is not going to make it go away. It’s just going to chase other Christians out.


You're missing the point. Its not about the schism situation, it's about LVs continued behavior.

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Postby Stratocratic-Anarchy Oceanic Empire » Tue May 11, 2021 8:24 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
North Washington Republic wrote:Anyway, to get back on topic. I don’t think that the German priests blessing same-sex unions really care if they’re going to be excommunicated. They knew what they were doing was against the churche’s teachings but they did it anyway and they were not shy about it


It's been going on for a while. I came across the story a month ago but it's been building for quite some time now. This is the staredown moment, they're essentially daring Francis to make good on excommunication


Nah, I'd say they're trying to bring more attention to the LGBTQ+ peeps. But to be honest, I would be surprised if the Pope does end up excommunicating those priests. I doubt they are even worried of getting excommunicated, they know the Pope needs people to see his good side.
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Postby Tarsonis » Tue May 11, 2021 8:25 pm

Kowani wrote:
Sundiata wrote:Most of all, it's sad to lose priests to Satan.

...I'm sorry, satan?
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Sundiata wrote:Most of all, it's sad to lose priests to Satan.


I wouldn’t go that far. It’s not like they’re having black masses where they desecrate a consecrated host.



that's not what he means. It's a poetic way of saying they've fallen for false teaching. Essentially they've been led astray by the Great Deceiver.
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Postby North Washington Republic » Tue May 11, 2021 8:25 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
North Washington Republic wrote:
Indeed. However, I am sure liberal protestant churches in Germany will welcome them with open arms.


I'm sure they will, but that's not exactly a goodthing


Well, I can’t really argue if it’s a good thing or a bad thing. Although I do strongly disagree with the Churches teachings on LGBT issues. I’m just saying what will happen with the rebellious priests. Heck, they probably are part of the LGBT community themselves.
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Postby Tarsonis » Tue May 11, 2021 8:26 pm

Stratocratic-Anarchy Oceanic Empire wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
It's been going on for a while. I came across the story a month ago but it's been building for quite some time now. This is the staredown moment, they're essentially daring Francis to make good on excommunication


Nah, I'd say they're trying to bring more attention to the LGBTQ+ peeps. But to be honest, I would be surprised if the Pope does end up excommunicating those priests. I doubt they are even worried of getting excommunicated, they know the Pope needs people to see his good side.


They're technically already excommunicated, I believe.
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Postby Tarsonis » Tue May 11, 2021 8:26 pm

Immortan Khan wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
You're missing the point. Its not about the schism situation, it's about LVs continued behavior.

Pot meet kettle.


I'd have to actually know who you are for your criticisms to matter to me.
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Ecclesiastes 1:18 "For in much wisdom is much vexation, and those who increase knowledge increase sorrow"
Thucydides: “The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools.”
1 Corinthians 5:12 "What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?"
Galatians 6:7 "Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
James I of Aragon "Have you ever considered that our position is Idolatry to the Rabbi?"
Debating Christian Theology with Non-Christians pretty much anybody be like

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