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Postby Immortan Khan » Tue May 11, 2021 12:23 pm

Kowani wrote:man i really hate to drop in on this uplifting conversation with bad news
buttttttttttt

78 Priests massacred in Tigray, Ethiopia


At least 78 priests were ‘massacred’ in one zone of Tigray, according to an official church letter leaked to the Telegraph.

The letter, which was addressed to the Synod of the Ethiopian Orthodox Church, says that “priests, deacons, choristers, and monks” have been “massacred” over the last five months.

Half a dozen survivors confirmed the news to this newspaper and said that both Ethiopian national army soldiers and Eritrean troops went into their holy spaces across southeast Tigray and “shot them down”.

Ethiopia has been wracked by a horrific civil war since the Nobel Peace Prize winner Abiy Ahmed sent his national army into the mountainous northern region of Tigray to oust the powerful regional government there on November 4.

The news comes several days after a video was smuggled out of the country showing the head of Ethiopia’s Orthodox Church Abune Mathias condemning what he calls a ‘genocide’ being committed on the ethnic Tigrayan people by the Ethiopian state.

The conflict has released an almighty humanitarian crisis and neither priests nor religious sites have not been spared. Centuries-old monasteries and mosques, including the 6th century Debre Damo monastery and Al-Nejashi, Africa's first Mosque, have been looted and bombed by Eritrean troops who are allied to Ethiopia’s government in Addis Ababa.

The stamped letter was sent on April 15 and lists the number of clergymen killed over the past five months in the church administrations.

Priests who survived the killings told the Telegraph the number of dead clergymen could be much higher than 78.

Gergera Maryam, Adi’Zeban Karagiorgis, Kidanemihret Bosa, Taksa and the monastery of Da Abune Ayzgi are some of the churches where churchmen were massacred, according to witnesses.

Kahsay* and his deacon son Halfom* fled their homes to the nearby mountains of Seharti after receiving news that the Eritrean and Ethiopian troops were raiding churches.

Two days later, Halfom returned back to the church in their village to see if the situation had improved. “I begged my son not to go back. He promised me he would return. But he did not return. The Eritrean soldiers killed my son” says Kahsay, an old man. “I learned a week later the villagers picked up my son’s body. I did not attend his burial. He was only 25.” In Ethiopian Orthodox tradition, many priests and deacons gather in churchyards to celebrate Saints’ Celebration days. Three witnesses told the Telegraph that Ethiopian and Eritrean soldiers specifically target these celebration days to execute members of the church.

“In the afternoon of January 9, there were many of us in the church of Adi’Zeban Karagiorgis. We were there to celebrate the birth of the Virgin Mary,” one witness who asked to remain anonymous, said. “Suddenly, eight Ethiopian soldiers entered the churchyard. The soldiers picked 12 young deacons between the ages of 15 and 20. They took them out and shot them down,” he says.

Hadera*, an old priest, survived a massacre at the church of Gergera Da Mariam. He says there have been various killings and massacres since early December 2020.

The 76-year-old says he was praying on February 1 when 12 Ethiopian and Eritrean soldiers barged into the sacred room of the church.

“They entered the holy room with their shoes. They shouted over us saying; ‘You are our enemies because you have comforted and preached to the villagers that this shall pass. You should not have done that,” recounts Hadera.

“There were six priests in the room. They shot us all and left the church. My friends died. It is nothing short of a miracle I survived.”

The Telegraph approached Eritrea’s information minister, Yemane Gebremeskel and spokeswoman of the Ethiopian Prime Minister office Billene Seyoum for comment. Neither had replied at the time of going to press.

I really wish what is happening in Tigray received more attention. It is increasingly becoming genocidal, if not already, and the world is completely ignoring it.
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Postby Luminesa » Tue May 11, 2021 12:27 pm

Ya’ll know what’s REALLY Satanic? It’s not Presbyterians, it’s not Anglicans, it’s not Jehovah Witnesses. It’s these psychopaths who go into churches during HOLY FEAST DAYS, KNOWING that Christians are praying inside, and dragging them out to kill them. On the feast of the Blessed Virgin’s NATIVITY, they dragged young men out of the church to kill them. On an INFANT’S BIRTHDAY. What are we doing here bickering over our differences when we need to be on our knees BEGGING GOD to SAVE these people? The wolves are circling sheep, murdering their deacons and creating martyrs as we type on this forum from the safety of our houses. What are we doing, compared to what these martyrs have suffered for us?
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Postby Kowani » Tue May 11, 2021 12:27 pm

Luminesa wrote:> Nobel Peace Prize winner.
> Starts civil war.
in defense of the nobel peace prize, stopping a war is a thing worth commemorating (or it would have been if it had been more than on paper
Ironic, but not to the point that I’m not surprised. Rest eternal to these many martyrs, and may help and assistance come to the suffering church and population in Ethiopia, one of the bedrocks of African Christianity.

well
like IK mentioned, the world is kind of...ignoring what's happening in tigray right now
so that seems unlikely, unfortunately
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Postby Immortan Khan » Tue May 11, 2021 12:29 pm

Kowani wrote:
Luminesa wrote:> Nobel Peace Prize winner.
> Starts civil war.
in defense of the nobel peace prize, stopping a war is a thing worth commemorating (or it would have been if it had been more than on paper
Ironic, but not to the point that I’m not surprised. Rest eternal to these many martyrs, and may help and assistance come to the suffering church and population in Ethiopia, one of the bedrocks of African Christianity.

well
like IK mentioned, the world is kind of...ignoring what's happening in tigray right now
so that seems unlikely, unfortunately

Stopping one war is shadowed by what is going on. The conflict between Ethiopia and Eritrea was also largely frozen when it ended.
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Essentially


Just to be clear, I'm including everyonein that.


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Postby Salus Maior » Tue May 11, 2021 12:37 pm

Kowani wrote:man i really hate to drop in on this uplifting conversation with bad news
buttttttttttt

78 Priests massacred in Tigray, Ethiopia


At least 78 priests were ‘massacred’ in one zone of Tigray, according to an official church letter leaked to the Telegraph.

The letter, which was addressed to the Synod of the Ethiopian Orthodox Church, says that “priests, deacons, choristers, and monks” have been “massacred” over the last five months.

Half a dozen survivors confirmed the news to this newspaper and said that both Ethiopian national army soldiers and Eritrean troops went into their holy spaces across southeast Tigray and “shot them down”.

Ethiopia has been wracked by a horrific civil war since the Nobel Peace Prize winner Abiy Ahmed sent his national army into the mountainous northern region of Tigray to oust the powerful regional government there on November 4.

The news comes several days after a video was smuggled out of the country showing the head of Ethiopia’s Orthodox Church Abune Mathias condemning what he calls a ‘genocide’ being committed on the ethnic Tigrayan people by the Ethiopian state.

The conflict has released an almighty humanitarian crisis and neither priests nor religious sites have not been spared. Centuries-old monasteries and mosques, including the 6th century Debre Damo monastery and Al-Nejashi, Africa's first Mosque, have been looted and bombed by Eritrean troops who are allied to Ethiopia’s government in Addis Ababa.

The stamped letter was sent on April 15 and lists the number of clergymen killed over the past five months in the church administrations.

Priests who survived the killings told the Telegraph the number of dead clergymen could be much higher than 78.

Gergera Maryam, Adi’Zeban Karagiorgis, Kidanemihret Bosa, Taksa and the monastery of Da Abune Ayzgi are some of the churches where churchmen were massacred, according to witnesses.

Kahsay* and his deacon son Halfom* fled their homes to the nearby mountains of Seharti after receiving news that the Eritrean and Ethiopian troops were raiding churches.

Two days later, Halfom returned back to the church in their village to see if the situation had improved. “I begged my son not to go back. He promised me he would return. But he did not return. The Eritrean soldiers killed my son” says Kahsay, an old man. “I learned a week later the villagers picked up my son’s body. I did not attend his burial. He was only 25.” In Ethiopian Orthodox tradition, many priests and deacons gather in churchyards to celebrate Saints’ Celebration days. Three witnesses told the Telegraph that Ethiopian and Eritrean soldiers specifically target these celebration days to execute members of the church.

“In the afternoon of January 9, there were many of us in the church of Adi’Zeban Karagiorgis. We were there to celebrate the birth of the Virgin Mary,” one witness who asked to remain anonymous, said. “Suddenly, eight Ethiopian soldiers entered the churchyard. The soldiers picked 12 young deacons between the ages of 15 and 20. They took them out and shot them down,” he says.

Hadera*, an old priest, survived a massacre at the church of Gergera Da Mariam. He says there have been various killings and massacres since early December 2020.

The 76-year-old says he was praying on February 1 when 12 Ethiopian and Eritrean soldiers barged into the sacred room of the church.

“They entered the holy room with their shoes. They shouted over us saying; ‘You are our enemies because you have comforted and preached to the villagers that this shall pass. You should not have done that,” recounts Hadera.

“There were six priests in the room. They shot us all and left the church. My friends died. It is nothing short of a miracle I survived.”

The Telegraph approached Eritrea’s information minister, Yemane Gebremeskel and spokeswoman of the Ethiopian Prime Minister office Billene Seyoum for comment. Neither had replied at the time of going to press.


Too bad it’s happening in Africa, otherwise people would be talking about it.

But alas, all you’re going to hear are racist tangents on ‘muh tribal warfare’ and completely discounting the real modern social and political ideology issues in Ethiopia. Just like Rwanda.
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Postby Lady Victory » Tue May 11, 2021 1:15 pm

Kowani wrote:man i really hate to drop in on this uplifting conversation with bad news
buttttttttttt

78 Priests massacred in Tigray, Ethiopia


At least 78 priests were ‘massacred’ in one zone of Tigray, according to an official church letter leaked to the Telegraph.

The letter, which was addressed to the Synod of the Ethiopian Orthodox Church, says that “priests, deacons, choristers, and monks” have been “massacred” over the last five months.

Half a dozen survivors confirmed the news to this newspaper and said that both Ethiopian national army soldiers and Eritrean troops went into their holy spaces across southeast Tigray and “shot them down”.

Ethiopia has been wracked by a horrific civil war since the Nobel Peace Prize winner Abiy Ahmed sent his national army into the mountainous northern region of Tigray to oust the powerful regional government there on November 4.

The news comes several days after a video was smuggled out of the country showing the head of Ethiopia’s Orthodox Church Abune Mathias condemning what he calls a ‘genocide’ being committed on the ethnic Tigrayan people by the Ethiopian state.

The conflict has released an almighty humanitarian crisis and neither priests nor religious sites have not been spared. Centuries-old monasteries and mosques, including the 6th century Debre Damo monastery and Al-Nejashi, Africa's first Mosque, have been looted and bombed by Eritrean troops who are allied to Ethiopia’s government in Addis Ababa.

The stamped letter was sent on April 15 and lists the number of clergymen killed over the past five months in the church administrations.

Priests who survived the killings told the Telegraph the number of dead clergymen could be much higher than 78.

Gergera Maryam, Adi’Zeban Karagiorgis, Kidanemihret Bosa, Taksa and the monastery of Da Abune Ayzgi are some of the churches where churchmen were massacred, according to witnesses.

Kahsay* and his deacon son Halfom* fled their homes to the nearby mountains of Seharti after receiving news that the Eritrean and Ethiopian troops were raiding churches.

Two days later, Halfom returned back to the church in their village to see if the situation had improved. “I begged my son not to go back. He promised me he would return. But he did not return. The Eritrean soldiers killed my son” says Kahsay, an old man. “I learned a week later the villagers picked up my son’s body. I did not attend his burial. He was only 25.” In Ethiopian Orthodox tradition, many priests and deacons gather in churchyards to celebrate Saints’ Celebration days. Three witnesses told the Telegraph that Ethiopian and Eritrean soldiers specifically target these celebration days to execute members of the church.

“In the afternoon of January 9, there were many of us in the church of Adi’Zeban Karagiorgis. We were there to celebrate the birth of the Virgin Mary,” one witness who asked to remain anonymous, said. “Suddenly, eight Ethiopian soldiers entered the churchyard. The soldiers picked 12 young deacons between the ages of 15 and 20. They took them out and shot them down,” he says.

Hadera*, an old priest, survived a massacre at the church of Gergera Da Mariam. He says there have been various killings and massacres since early December 2020.

The 76-year-old says he was praying on February 1 when 12 Ethiopian and Eritrean soldiers barged into the sacred room of the church.

“They entered the holy room with their shoes. They shouted over us saying; ‘You are our enemies because you have comforted and preached to the villagers that this shall pass. You should not have done that,” recounts Hadera.

“There were six priests in the room. They shot us all and left the church. My friends died. It is nothing short of a miracle I survived.”

The Telegraph approached Eritrea’s information minister, Yemane Gebremeskel and spokeswoman of the Ethiopian Prime Minister office Billene Seyoum for comment. Neither had replied at the time of going to press.


This is truly sickening. Like, utterly appalling. Why? Why would they do this? Who could be so evil as to do these things? It's barbarism on a Third Reich level. Absolutely beyond forgiveness.
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Postby Lady Victory » Tue May 11, 2021 1:20 pm

Immortan Khan wrote:
Kowani wrote:man i really hate to drop in on this uplifting conversation with bad news
buttttttttttt

78 Priests massacred in Tigray, Ethiopia


At least 78 priests were ‘massacred’ in one zone of Tigray, according to an official church letter leaked to the Telegraph.

The letter, which was addressed to the Synod of the Ethiopian Orthodox Church, says that “priests, deacons, choristers, and monks” have been “massacred” over the last five months.

Half a dozen survivors confirmed the news to this newspaper and said that both Ethiopian national army soldiers and Eritrean troops went into their holy spaces across southeast Tigray and “shot them down”.

Ethiopia has been wracked by a horrific civil war since the Nobel Peace Prize winner Abiy Ahmed sent his national army into the mountainous northern region of Tigray to oust the powerful regional government there on November 4.

The news comes several days after a video was smuggled out of the country showing the head of Ethiopia’s Orthodox Church Abune Mathias condemning what he calls a ‘genocide’ being committed on the ethnic Tigrayan people by the Ethiopian state.

The conflict has released an almighty humanitarian crisis and neither priests nor religious sites have not been spared. Centuries-old monasteries and mosques, including the 6th century Debre Damo monastery and Al-Nejashi, Africa's first Mosque, have been looted and bombed by Eritrean troops who are allied to Ethiopia’s government in Addis Ababa.

The stamped letter was sent on April 15 and lists the number of clergymen killed over the past five months in the church administrations.

Priests who survived the killings told the Telegraph the number of dead clergymen could be much higher than 78.

Gergera Maryam, Adi’Zeban Karagiorgis, Kidanemihret Bosa, Taksa and the monastery of Da Abune Ayzgi are some of the churches where churchmen were massacred, according to witnesses.

Kahsay* and his deacon son Halfom* fled their homes to the nearby mountains of Seharti after receiving news that the Eritrean and Ethiopian troops were raiding churches.

Two days later, Halfom returned back to the church in their village to see if the situation had improved. “I begged my son not to go back. He promised me he would return. But he did not return. The Eritrean soldiers killed my son” says Kahsay, an old man. “I learned a week later the villagers picked up my son’s body. I did not attend his burial. He was only 25.” In Ethiopian Orthodox tradition, many priests and deacons gather in churchyards to celebrate Saints’ Celebration days. Three witnesses told the Telegraph that Ethiopian and Eritrean soldiers specifically target these celebration days to execute members of the church.

“In the afternoon of January 9, there were many of us in the church of Adi’Zeban Karagiorgis. We were there to celebrate the birth of the Virgin Mary,” one witness who asked to remain anonymous, said. “Suddenly, eight Ethiopian soldiers entered the churchyard. The soldiers picked 12 young deacons between the ages of 15 and 20. They took them out and shot them down,” he says.

Hadera*, an old priest, survived a massacre at the church of Gergera Da Mariam. He says there have been various killings and massacres since early December 2020.

The 76-year-old says he was praying on February 1 when 12 Ethiopian and Eritrean soldiers barged into the sacred room of the church.

“They entered the holy room with their shoes. They shouted over us saying; ‘You are our enemies because you have comforted and preached to the villagers that this shall pass. You should not have done that,” recounts Hadera.

“There were six priests in the room. They shot us all and left the church. My friends died. It is nothing short of a miracle I survived.”

The Telegraph approached Eritrea’s information minister, Yemane Gebremeskel and spokeswoman of the Ethiopian Prime Minister office Billene Seyoum for comment. Neither had replied at the time of going to press.

I really wish what is happening in Tigray received more attention. It is increasingly becoming genocidal, if not already, and the world is completely ignoring it.


Genocide only matters when it's politically convenient, unfortunately.

Everyone grieved when it was the Ukrainians, the Jews, the Kurds, and the Bosniaks. But no one gives a shit when it's the Tigray, the Assyrians, the Armenians, the Rohingya, the Uyghurs, etc.
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Postby Xmara » Tue May 11, 2021 1:21 pm

Kowani wrote:man i really hate to drop in on this uplifting conversation with bad news
buttttttttttt

78 Priests massacred in Tigray, Ethiopia

At least 78 priests were ‘massacred’ in one zone of Tigray, according to an official church letter leaked to the Telegraph.

The letter, which was addressed to the Synod of the Ethiopian Orthodox Church, says that “priests, deacons, choristers, and monks” have been “massacred” over the last five months.

Half a dozen survivors confirmed the news to this newspaper and said that both Ethiopian national army soldiers and Eritrean troops went into their holy spaces across southeast Tigray and “shot them down”.

Ethiopia has been wracked by a horrific civil war since the Nobel Peace Prize winner Abiy Ahmed sent his national army into the mountainous northern region of Tigray to oust the powerful regional government there on November 4.

The news comes several days after a video was smuggled out of the country showing the head of Ethiopia’s Orthodox Church Abune Mathias condemning what he calls a ‘genocide’ being committed on the ethnic Tigrayan people by the Ethiopian state.

The conflict has released an almighty humanitarian crisis and neither priests nor religious sites have not been spared. Centuries-old monasteries and mosques, including the 6th century Debre Damo monastery and Al-Nejashi, Africa's first Mosque, have been looted and bombed by Eritrean troops who are allied to Ethiopia’s government in Addis Ababa.

The stamped letter was sent on April 15 and lists the number of clergymen killed over the past five months in the church administrations.

Priests who survived the killings told the Telegraph the number of dead clergymen could be much higher than 78.

Gergera Maryam, Adi’Zeban Karagiorgis, Kidanemihret Bosa, Taksa and the monastery of Da Abune Ayzgi are some of the churches where churchmen were massacred, according to witnesses.

Kahsay* and his deacon son Halfom* fled their homes to the nearby mountains of Seharti after receiving news that the Eritrean and Ethiopian troops were raiding churches.

Two days later, Halfom returned back to the church in their village to see if the situation had improved. “I begged my son not to go back. He promised me he would return. But he did not return. The Eritrean soldiers killed my son” says Kahsay, an old man. “I learned a week later the villagers picked up my son’s body. I did not attend his burial. He was only 25.” In Ethiopian Orthodox tradition, many priests and deacons gather in churchyards to celebrate Saints’ Celebration days. Three witnesses told the Telegraph that Ethiopian and Eritrean soldiers specifically target these celebration days to execute members of the church.

“In the afternoon of January 9, there were many of us in the church of Adi’Zeban Karagiorgis. We were there to celebrate the birth of the Virgin Mary,” one witness who asked to remain anonymous, said. “Suddenly, eight Ethiopian soldiers entered the churchyard. The soldiers picked 12 young deacons between the ages of 15 and 20. They took them out and shot them down,” he says.

Hadera*, an old priest, survived a massacre at the church of Gergera Da Mariam. He says there have been various killings and massacres since early December 2020.

The 76-year-old says he was praying on February 1 when 12 Ethiopian and Eritrean soldiers barged into the sacred room of the church.

“They entered the holy room with their shoes. They shouted over us saying; ‘You are our enemies because you have comforted and preached to the villagers that this shall pass. You should not have done that,” recounts Hadera.

“There were six priests in the room. They shot us all and left the church. My friends died. It is nothing short of a miracle I survived.”

The Telegraph approached Eritrea’s information minister, Yemane Gebremeskel and spokeswoman of the Ethiopian Prime Minister office Billene Seyoum for comment. Neither had replied at the time of going to press.

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Postby Loeje » Tue May 11, 2021 1:50 pm

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Loeje wrote:They're the opposite. Love the sinner, hate the sin, basically.

Similar to the Catholic teaching. Although, from what I understand, a few like Fr. James Martin disagree with the Vatican on church teaching/catechism.

On that subject: Germans defy Vatican, bless gay unions.
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Postby Dylar » Tue May 11, 2021 1:56 pm

Loeje wrote:
Sundiata wrote:Similar to the Catholic teaching. Although, from what I understand, a few like Fr. James Martin disagree with the Vatican on church teaching/catechism.

On that subject: Germans defy Vatican, bless gay unions.

I may be wrong, but the way I'm seeing this is that the German Church is just playing politics in an attempt to be popular again since they're still recovering from the massive amount of abuses that have been uncovered
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Postby Loeje » Tue May 11, 2021 1:58 pm

Dylar wrote:

I may be wrong, but the way I'm seeing this is that the German Church is just playing politics in an attempt to be popular again since they're still recovering from the massive amount of abuses that have been uncovered

That might be a part of it, but it's been an issue for a long time. And then there's the Henry Frömmichen story, too.
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Postby Lady Victory » Tue May 11, 2021 2:31 pm

Loeje wrote:
Sundiata wrote:Similar to the Catholic teaching. Although, from what I understand, a few like Fr. James Martin disagree with the Vatican on church teaching/catechism.

On that subject: Germans defy Vatican, bless gay unions.


German priests defying the Church in Rome?

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Postby Tarsonis » Tue May 11, 2021 2:32 pm

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German priests defying the Church in Rome?

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German priests about to get excommunicated
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Postby Lady Victory » Tue May 11, 2021 2:34 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Lady Victory wrote:
German priests defying the Church in Rome?

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German priests about to get excommunicated


I've seen that one before, too.

Wow! Double jeopardy! :p
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Postby Tarsonis » Tue May 11, 2021 2:46 pm

Lady Victory wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
German priests about to get excommunicated


I've seen that one before, too.

Wow! Double jeopardy! :p


Yeah, you know you're really not doing anything to discount those bigotry criticisms.
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Ecclesiastes 1:18 "For in much wisdom is much vexation, and those who increase knowledge increase sorrow"
Thucydides: “The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools.”
1 Corinthians 5:12 "What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?"
Galatians 6:7 "Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
James I of Aragon "Have you ever considered that our position is Idolatry to the Rabbi?"
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Postby Lady Victory » Tue May 11, 2021 2:57 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Lady Victory wrote:
I've seen that one before, too.

Wow! Double jeopardy! :p


Yeah, you know you're really not doing anything to discount those bigotry criticisms.


Pardon?
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Postby North Washington Republic » Tue May 11, 2021 3:00 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Lady Victory wrote:
German priests defying the Church in Rome?

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German priests about to get excommunicated


Is there a reason why Germany has the most rebellious priests when it comes to LBGT issues?
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Postby Lady Victory » Tue May 11, 2021 3:03 pm

North Washington Republic wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
German priests about to get excommunicated


Is there a reason why Germany has the most rebellious priests when it comes to LBGT issues?


Germans in general tend to have a problem with authority. Apparently some angry guy with a weird mustache made authority unattractive or something, idk.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Tue May 11, 2021 3:40 pm

Lady Victory wrote:
North Washington Republic wrote:
Is there a reason why Germany has the most rebellious priests when it comes to LBGT issues?


Germans in general tend to have a problem with authority. Apparently some angry guy with a weird mustache made authority unattractive or something, idk.


Lol.

Germans are more hierarchical than Dutch in my experience. Following rules closer too.



To keep on the topic of Christianity, is there anyone here anti vaccination on theological or moral grounds?
I know some protestants in Netherlands are, so hard core that they also refuse health insurance.
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Postby Tarsonis » Tue May 11, 2021 3:44 pm

Lady Victory wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
Yeah, you know you're really not doing anything to discount those bigotry criticisms.


Pardon?


A schism in the Church, even a small one is no laughing matter. And yet here you are mocking.
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Galatians 6:7 "Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
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Postby Lady Victory » Tue May 11, 2021 3:48 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Lady Victory wrote:
Pardon?


A schism in the Church, even a small one is no laughing matter. And yet here you are mocking.


I try not to take things too seriously unless they involve harm to people, animals, or the environment.

But given that I've previously stated my disapproval of schisms (especially the Protestant Reformation) I think it's rather clear where I stand on this. Naturally I'm more sympathetic to the German priests here, but that doesn't mean I agree with their move to outright defy the Vatican. I shouldn't need to say this, really. Disunity harms the church. That said, I don't expect this to turn into 95 Theses 2.0
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Postby North Washington Republic » Tue May 11, 2021 3:52 pm

The Blaatschapen wrote:
Lady Victory wrote:
Germans in general tend to have a problem with authority. Apparently some angry guy with a weird mustache made authority unattractive or something, idk.


Lol.

Germans are more hierarchical than Dutch in my experience. Following rules closer too.



To keep on the topic of Christianity, is there anyone here anti vaccination on theological or moral grounds?
I know some protestants in Netherlands are, so hard core that they also refuse health insurance.


In the United States, one of the most vaccine hesitant groups is white evangelical Christians.
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Postby Tarsonis » Tue May 11, 2021 3:54 pm

Lady Victory wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
A schism in the Church, even a small one is no laughing matter. And yet here you are mocking.


I try not to take things too seriously unless they involve harm to people, animals, or the environment.

But given that I've previously stated my disapproval of schisms (especially the Protestant Reformation) I think it's rather clear where I stand on this. Naturally I'm more sympathetic to the German priests here, but that doesn't mean I agree with their move to outright defy the Vatican. I shouldn't need to say this, really. Disunity harms the church. That said, I don't expect this to turn into 95 Theses 2.0


Then you really need to learn to read the room. We just got over yet another interdenominational spat. Not a good time to start making jokes about a troublesome situation.
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Thucydides: “The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools.”
1 Corinthians 5:12 "What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?"
Galatians 6:7 "Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
James I of Aragon "Have you ever considered that our position is Idolatry to the Rabbi?"
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Postby Lady Victory » Tue May 11, 2021 3:54 pm

North Washington Republic wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:
Lol.

Germans are more hierarchical than Dutch in my experience. Following rules closer too.



To keep on the topic of Christianity, is there anyone here anti vaccination on theological or moral grounds?
I know some protestants in Netherlands are, so hard core that they also refuse health insurance.


In the United States, one of the most vaccine hesitant groups is white evangelical Christians.


American Evangelicalism is the worst heresy since Iconoclasm.
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