Christian Discussion Thread XI: Anicetus’ Revenge

[Kowani]

And where are they now?

It's a funny thing, really.

They say you can't kill an idea, but killing all the people who believe in that idea seems to produce the desired results all the same.

Catholic Church beatifies Rosario Livatino, an Italian judge killed by Cosa Nostra in 1990

talian judge Rosario Livatino, who was killed by the Mafia in Sicily in 1990, was beatified on Sunday, the last stage before possible sainthood in the Roman Catholic Church. Livatino was gunned down by a Mafia hit squad, which shot at his car as he was driving along a Sicilian highway. Despite the risks, he had refused an armed escort. He tried to flee his attackers, but was caught and killed in a field.

Known as the "boy judge" because he looked younger than his 37 years, Livatino had led many investigations into the mob at a time when Sicilian clans were involved in a full-blown war.

He was beatified at a service in Agrigento cathedral in Sicily, where a glass box containing his bloodstained shirt was put on display as a relic. Speaking to pilgrims in the Vatican City, Pope Francis praised the young magistrate.

"In his service to the community as an upstanding judge, who never allowed himself to become corrupt, he strived to judge not to condemn but to rehabilitate," Francis said.

"May his example be for everyone, especially for judges, an incentive to be loyal defenders of lawfulness and freedom." [...] Pope Francis put him on the road to possible sainthood in December, approving a decree of martyrdom which meant there was no need for a miracle to be attributed to Livatino's intercession with God for him to be beatified.

Isn't the perquisite for martyrdom to be killed either while attempting to spread the Christian faith or was killed because of their Christian faith? It sounds like this guy got killed for going after the mob which, while noble, doesn't seem to have anything to do with Christianity? Unless I'm missing something here...

both Francis and John Paul II seem to have classed it as having been killed for his faith

[Ayytaly]

It's a funny thing, really.

They say you can't kill an idea, but killing all the people who believe in that idea seems to produce the desired results all the same.



Isn't the perquisite for martyrdom to be killed either while attempting to spread the Christian faith or was killed because of their Christian faith? It sounds like this guy got killed for going after the mob which, while noble, doesn't seem to have anything to do with Christianity? Unless I'm missing something here...

both Francis and John Paul II seem to have classed it as having been killed for his faith

Fighting against organized crime and corruption for the sake of the innocent is both Christian and ballsy.

[Sundiata]

both Francis and John Paul II seem to have classed it as having been killed for his faith

Fighting against organized crime and corruption for the sake of the innocent is both Christian and ballsy.

The way of our Messiah.

[Salus Maior]

And where are they now?

It's a funny thing, really.

They say you can't kill an idea, but killing all the people who believe in that idea seems to produce the desired results all the same.

Idk, Bogomilism seems pretty dead.

[Suriyanakhon]

It's a funny thing, really.

They say you can't kill an idea, but killing all the people who believe in that idea seems to produce the desired results all the same.

Idk, Bogomilism seems pretty dead.

Never heard of them before, but they sound wild (and great).

They teach their followers not to obey their masters; they scorn the rich, they hate the Tsars, they ridicule their superiors, they reproach the boyars, they believe that God looks in horror on those who labour for the Tsar, and advise every serf not to work for his master.

[Tarsonis]

It's a funny thing, really.

They say you can't kill an idea, but killing all the people who believe in that idea seems to produce the desired results all the same.

Idk, Bogomilism seems pretty dead.

That wouid seem to be her point. Can't kill an idea itself, but if you kill everyone who believes that idea, works just as well.

[Nakena]

That wouid seem to be her point. Can't kill an idea itself, but if you kill everyone who believes that idea, works just as well.

Gnosticism keeps returning one way or another.

I wonder why. ^^

[Sundiata]

It's a funny thing, really.

They say you can't kill an idea, but killing all the people who believe in that idea seems to produce the desired results all the same.

Idk, Bogomilism seems pretty dead.

It's not in my heart.

[Lady Victory]

That wouid seem to be her point. Can't kill an idea itself, but if you kill everyone who believes that idea, works just as well.

Gnosticism keeps returning one way or another.

I wonder why. ^^

Edgelords, mainly.

[Nakena]

Gnosticism keeps returning one way or another.

I wonder why. ^^

Edgelords, mainly.

You realize that a number of the sects you mentioned earlier have semi-gnostics beliefs? (Cathars and Bogomilism for example)

[Sundiata]

Pope Francis excommunicates all members of the mafia.

[Lady Victory]

Edgelords, mainly.

You realize that a number of the sects you mentioned earlier have semi-gnostics beliefs? (Cathars and Bogomilism for example)

And they were all pretty edgy.

Pope Francis excommunicates all members of the mafia.

BASED

[Ayytaly]

Idk, Bogomilism seems pretty dead.

Never heard of them before, but they sound wild (and great).

They teach their followers not to obey their masters; they scorn the rich, they hate the Tsars, they ridicule their superiors, they reproach the boyars, they believe that God looks in horror on those who labour for the Tsar, and advise every serf not to work for his master.

Cosmas was the Tsar's lapdog. Based Bogomilism is based.

Pope Francis excommunicates all members of the mafia.

They were all atheists anyway.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

That didn't seem to stop the Lollards, Waldensians, Arians, Cathars, Bogomils, Iconoclasts, Adamites, Messalians, Monophysites, Paulicians, etc.

And where are they now?

I'm sure one of those things still exists somewhere. Maybe I'll give up my current life to go travel the world searching for them on all the continents.

[Tarsonis]

And where are they now?

I'm sure one of those things still exists somewhere. Maybe I'll give up my current life to go travel the world searching for them on all the continents.

Pitch it to the Discovery channel, you might get your own show out of it.

[North Washington Republic]

Pope Francis excommunicates all members of the mafia.

To be honest, I don’t think they actually care

[Tarsonis]

Pope Francis excommunicates all members of the mafia.

To be honest, I don’t think they actually care

You'd be surprised.

[North Washington Republic]

To be honest, I don’t think they actually care

You'd be surprised.

I’m sure you can find a few that do, but I don’t think the vast majority Mafia cares about being excommunicated.

[Kowani]

You'd be surprised.

I’m sure you can find a few that do, but I don’t think the vast majority Mafia cares about being excommunicated.

...a large subset of the mafia are catholics
bad catholics, sure
but they're still catholic

[Tarsonis]

I’m sure you can find a few that do, but I don’t think the vast majority Mafia cares about being excommunicated.

...a large subset of the mafia are catholics
bad catholics, sure
but they're still catholic

And depending on their ethnicity, that Catholic identity is actually really important to them. Especially Irish and Italians.

[North Washington Republic]

I’m sure you can find a few that do, but I don’t think the vast majority Mafia cares about being excommunicated.

...a large subset of the mafia are catholics
bad catholics, sure
but they're still catholic

Well, I’m technically a “bad Catholic”, and I’m considered excommunicated by the Church, but it’s not important to me. I’m also Latino.

I would think that those involved in violent organized crime would care even less than I do.

[Luminesa]

Pope Francis excommunicates all members of the mafia.

Hooooooleeeeeeee flip.

That Swiss Guard better be on their toes, I imagine some of these mobsters are NOT gonna be happy.

[Luminesa]

Catholic Church beatifies Rosario Livatino, an Italian judge killed by Cosa Nostra in 1990

talian judge Rosario Livatino, who was killed by the Mafia in Sicily in 1990, was beatified on Sunday, the last stage before possible sainthood in the Roman Catholic Church. Livatino was gunned down by a Mafia hit squad, which shot at his car as he was driving along a Sicilian highway. Despite the risks, he had refused an armed escort. He tried to flee his attackers, but was caught and killed in a field.

Known as the "boy judge" because he looked younger than his 37 years, Livatino had led many investigations into the mob at a time when Sicilian clans were involved in a full-blown war.

He was beatified at a service in Agrigento cathedral in Sicily, where a glass box containing his bloodstained shirt was put on display as a relic. Speaking to pilgrims in the Vatican City, Pope Francis praised the young magistrate.

"In his service to the community as an upstanding judge, who never allowed himself to become corrupt, he strived to judge not to condemn but to rehabilitate," Francis said.

"May his example be for everyone, especially for judges, an incentive to be loyal defenders of lawfulness and freedom." [...] Pope Francis put him on the road to possible sainthood in December, approving a decree of martyrdom which meant there was no need for a miracle to be attributed to Livatino's intercession with God for him to be beatified.

Very cool, may he soon be named St. Rosario, Patron of Judges.

[Salus Maior]

That wouid seem to be her point. Can't kill an idea itself, but if you kill everyone who believes that idea, works just as well.

Gnosticism keeps returning one way or another.

I wonder why. ^^

The idea of ‘secret knowledge’ is alluring.

Which of course is why a lot of dangerous cults make that their basis.

[Kowani]

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