Christian Discussion Thread XI: Anicetus’ Revenge

[Maineiacs]

Ok, Question 1, Why do Catholics think the pope, a human, can understand God Better than Ordinary Catolics, a Human.

My belief on that is God granted us each of us the ability to Read and that he gave us the Ability to Read and Learn his word.

If you were correct, God would not have sent us apostles. Ordinary human understanding gets you folks like Joseph Smith.

It gets you everyone from Martin Luther to Joseph Smith to Jim Bakker to Jim Jones. (Note: I'm not saying they're all equivalent).

[Sundiata]

If you were correct, God would not have sent us apostles. Ordinary human understanding gets you folks like Joseph Smith.

It gets you everyone from Martin Luther to Joseph Smith to Jim Bakker to Jim Jones. (Note: I'm not saying they're all equivalent).

I think that one of the many problems with most Protestant denominations is their abandonment of Christian tradition, especially the Eucharist.

[Shanghai industrial complex]

1. Well then how do you know God didn't invent abortion and intend it to be used considering actually aborting a fetus nearly as difficult as it apparently should be.
2. No, this is how it's going to go: You either prove your argument correct with your chosen viewpoint (Religion) or you don't and prove to the rest of us that religion isn't a good reason to oppose abortion.

Your call.

To answer your first question, God did not invent abortion. We were endowed by God with freedom of will and the capacity for reason. If we did not have free-will, we wouldn't have the ability to make any choices whatsoever, good or evil. God gave us free will so we could choose good, and ultimately, freely choose to love him as he freely loves us.

Didn't God invent abortion because people didn't know about abortion at that time?I don't think God invented the Internet or the covid-19.
Do you think the Bible needs some supplementary clauses to adapt to some new things?

[Sundiata]

To answer your first question, God did not invent abortion. We were endowed by God with freedom of will and the capacity for reason. If we did not have free-will, we wouldn't have the ability to make any choices whatsoever, good or evil. God gave us free will so we could choose good, and ultimately, freely choose to love him as he freely loves us.

Didn't God invent abortion because people didn't know about abortion at that time?I don't think God invented the Internet or the covid-19.
Do you think the Bible needs some supplementary clauses to adapt to some new things?

God did not invent abortion. As for adding to or removing books of the bible, that is a grave offense.
The Bible is fine, it's our interpretation that continually requires further examination.

"I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book, and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book."
-Revelation 22:18

[Neanderthaland]

Didn't God invent abortion because people didn't know about abortion at that time?I don't think God invented the Internet or the covid-19.
Do you think the Bible needs some supplementary clauses to adapt to some new things?

God did not invent abortion. As for adding to or removing books of the bible, that is a grave offense.

"I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book, and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book."
-Revelation 22:18

-A guy adding to the Bible

[Sundiata]

God did not invent abortion. As for adding to or removing books of the bible, that is a grave offense.

"I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book, and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book."
-Revelation 22:18

-A guy adding to the Bible

The Bible wasn't being added to at that point, it was being completed.

[Shanghai industrial complex]

Didn't God invent abortion because people didn't know about abortion at that time?I don't think God invented the Internet or the covid-19.
Do you think the Bible needs some supplementary clauses to adapt to some new things?

God did not invent abortion. As for adding to or removing books of the bible, that is a grave offense.
The Bible is fine, it's our interpretation that continually requires further examination.

"I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book, and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book."
-Revelation 22:18

As far as I know, the Bible should be written by several prophets.The Koran is from the Old Testament.Have you read the Koran? The contents of these two books are so similar.Since Muhammad was the prophet revealed by Gabriel,I think Islam is also a branch of Christianity. And Judaism. Your holy cities are all in one place.I mean ,Jerusalem.

[Shanghai industrial complex]

Didn't God invent abortion because people didn't know about abortion at that time?I don't think God invented the Internet or the covid-19.
Do you think the Bible needs some supplementary clauses to adapt to some new things?

God did not invent abortion. As for adding to or removing books of the bible, that is a grave offense.
The Bible is fine, it's our interpretation that continually requires further examination.

"I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book, and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book."
-Revelation 22:18

So I should believe who is the unsubscribed version?

[Tarsonis]

Didn't God invent abortion because people didn't know about abortion at that time?I don't think God invented the Internet or the covid-19.
Do you think the Bible needs some supplementary clauses to adapt to some new things?

God did not invent abortion. As for adding to or removing books of the bible, that is a grave offense.
The Bible is fine, it's our interpretation that continually requires further examination.

"I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book, and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book."
-Revelation 22:18

While I agree that the canon is closed and shouldnt be altered, that quote applies to Revelation and Revelation alone. It doesnt apply to the rest if the canon just because it's a part of it.

God did not invent abortion. As for adding to or removing books of the bible, that is a grave offense.
The Bible is fine, it's our interpretation that continually requires further examination.

"I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book, and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book."
-Revelation 22:18

As far as I know, the Bible should be written by several prophets.The Koran is from the Old Testament.Have you read the Koran? The contents of these two books are so similar.Since Muhammad was the prophet revealed by Gabriel,I think Islam is also a branch of Christianity. And Judaism. Your holy cities are all in one place.I mean ,Jerusalem.

Um, no. Nothing you've stated there is anything close to resembling fact. I award you zero points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

[Tarsonis]

Ok, this is where I'll answer your thoughts, questions, and concerns regarding the Catholic faith.

Full steam ahead!

Ok, Question 1, Why do Catholics think the pope, a human, can understand God Better than Ordinary Catolics, a Human.

My belief on that is God granted us each of us the ability to Read and that he gave us the Ability to Read and Learn his word.

Your belief is expressly contradicted by scripture.

29 And the Spirit said to Philip, “Go over and join this chariot.” 30 So Philip ran to him and heard him reading Isaiah the prophet and asked, “Do you understand what you are reading?” 31 And he said, “How can I, unless someone guides me?” And he invited Philip to come up and sit with him.

[Shanghai industrial complex]

God did not invent abortion. As for adding to or removing books of the bible, that is a grave offense.
The Bible is fine, it's our interpretation that continually requires further examination.

"I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book, and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book."
-Revelation 22:18

While I agree that the canon is closed and shouldnt be altered, that quote applies to Revelation and Revelation alone. It doesnt apply to the rest if the canon just because it's a part of it.

As far as I know, the Bible should be written by several prophets.The Koran is from the Old Testament.Have you read the Koran? The contents of these two books are so similar.Since Muhammad was the prophet revealed by Gabriel,I think Islam is also a branch of Christianity. And Judaism. Your holy cities are all in one place.I mean ,Jerusalem.

Um, no. Nothing you've stated there is anything close to resembling fact. I award you zero points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

You see, this is how it's written on the wiki.If this is not the case, does it mean Islamists lie?
Why do you think Israel is occupying Jerusalem? It should be the holy city of Christianity. How can we share the holy city with pagans
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Quran

[Tarsonis]

While I agree that the canon is closed and shouldnt be altered, that quote applies to Revelation and Revelation alone. It doesnt apply to the rest if the canon just because it's a part of it.



Um, no. Nothing you've stated there is anything close to resembling fact. I award you zero points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

You see, this is how it's written on the wiki.If this is not the case, does it mean Islamists lie?
Why do you think Israel is occupying Jerusalem? It should be the holy city of Christianity. How can we share the holy city with pagans
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Quran

I honestly don't understand what you're going on about.

Firstly, yes Islamists lie. About most things.

Secondly, Israel is occupying Jerusalem because they're a jewish ethno state and Jerusalem is litterally the center of their religion as that's the location of the Temple (well at least it was.)

For Christian's, while Jerusalem is a holy city it's not remotely as important to us as it is to them, as Christianity disregards the temple as obsolete. We have no need for a centralized holy city, which is why we have several depending on the denomination.

Muslims really have no care for Jerusalem anymore, beyond its political potency in the Israel/Palestine debate. Mecca and Medina are far more relevant than Jerusalem.


As for how we can share a city with pagans? Same way we share the world: in peace.

[Shanghai industrial complex]

You see, this is how it's written on the wiki.If this is not the case, does it mean Islamists lie?
Why do you think Israel is occupying Jerusalem? It should be the holy city of Christianity. How can we share the holy city with pagans
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Quran

I honestly don't understand what you're going on about.

Firstly, yes Islamists lie. About most things.

Secondly, Israel is occupying Jerusalem because they're a jewish ethno state and Jerusalem is litterally the center of their religion as that's the location of the Temple (well at least it was.)

For Christian's, while Jerusalem is a holy city it's not remotely as important to us as it is to them, as Christianity disregards the temple as obsolete. We have no need for a centralized holy city, which is why we have several depending on the denomination.

Muslims really have no care for Jerusalem anymore, beyond its political potency in the Israel/Palestine debate. Mecca and Medina are far more relevant than Jerusalem.


As for how we can share a city with pagans? Same way we share the world: in peace.

Jesus!That's where Jesus was crucified.You are so generous!
The truth is, where the Bible happened, it's now in the hands of the fuck damned infidels.
Bethlehem,Jerusalem,nazareth,Antioch,Constantinople.It's all fucking in the hands of the infidels.
You should all repent! Confess to God!

[Shanghai industrial complex]

Didn't God invent abortion because people didn't know about abortion at that time?I don't think God invented the Internet or the covid-19.
Do you think the Bible needs some supplementary clauses to adapt to some new things?

God did not invent abortion. As for adding to or removing books of the bible, that is a grave offense.
The Bible is fine, it's our interpretation that continually requires further examination.

"I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book, and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book."
-Revelation 22:18

God didn't forbid us to have an abortion.What is not mentioned in the Bible, can we do it or bun？

[Europa Undivided]

God did not invent abortion. As for adding to or removing books of the bible, that is a grave offense.
The Bible is fine, it's our interpretation that continually requires further examination.

"I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book, and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book."
-Revelation 22:18

God didn't forbid us to have an abortion.What is not mentioned in the Bible, can we do it or bun？

God did forbid murder.

[Shanghai industrial complex]

God didn't forbid us to have an abortion.What is not mentioned in the Bible, can we do it or bun？

God did forbid murder.

It's not murder!
You can get a lawyer to argue with him about it.He'll explain to you the difference between murder and abortion.

[Europa Undivided]

God did forbid murder.

It's not murder!
You can get a lawyer to argue with him about it.He'll explain to you the difference between murder and abortion.

Typical...

I can also ask the best lawyers of the Third Reich to explain to you the difference between a pure blooded Aryan and a disgusting Üntermensch and a lawyer of the Confederacy to tell you that blacks are lesser than the whites.

[Nakena]

I honestly don't understand what you're going on about.

Firstly, yes Islamists lie. About most things.

Secondly, Israel is occupying Jerusalem because they're a jewish ethno state and Jerusalem is litterally the center of their religion as that's the location of the Temple (well at least it was.)

For Christian's, while Jerusalem is a holy city it's not remotely as important to us as it is to them, as Christianity disregards the temple as obsolete. We have no need for a centralized holy city, which is why we have several depending on the denomination.

Muslims really have no care for Jerusalem anymore, beyond its political potency in the Israel/Palestine debate. Mecca and Medina are far more relevant than Jerusalem.


As for how we can share a city with pagans? Same way we share the world: in peace.

Jesus!That's where Jesus was crucified.You are so generous!
The truth is, where the Bible happened, it's now in the hands of the fuck damned infidels.
Bethlehem,Jerusalem,nazareth,Antioch,Constantinople.It's all fucking in the hands of the infidels.
You should all repent! Confess to God!

The infidels would dispute their infidelity.

[Tarsonis]

I honestly don't understand what you're going on about.

Firstly, yes Islamists lie. About most things.

Secondly, Israel is occupying Jerusalem because they're a jewish ethno state and Jerusalem is litterally the center of their religion as that's the location of the Temple (well at least it was.)

For Christian's, while Jerusalem is a holy city it's not remotely as important to us as it is to them, as Christianity disregards the temple as obsolete. We have no need for a centralized holy city, which is why we have several depending on the denomination.

Muslims really have no care for Jerusalem anymore, beyond its political potency in the Israel/Palestine debate. Mecca and Medina are far more relevant than Jerusalem.


As for how we can share a city with pagans? Same way we share the world: in peace.

Jesus!That's where Jesus was crucified.You are so generous!
The truth is, where the Bible happened, it's now in the hands of the fuck damned infidels.
Bethlehem,Jerusalem,nazareth,Antioch,Constantinople.It's all fucking in the hands of the infidels.
You should all repent! Confess to God!

You've missed the entire point of the Gospel

[Northern Davincia]

If you were correct, God would not have sent us apostles. Ordinary human understanding gets you folks like Joseph Smith.

It gets you everyone from Martin Luther to Joseph Smith to Jim Bakker to Jim Jones. (Note: I'm not saying they're all equivalent).

They are pretty much equivalent.

Jesus!That's where Jesus was crucified.You are so generous!
The truth is, where the Bible happened, it's now in the hands of the fuck damned infidels.
Bethlehem,Jerusalem,nazareth,Antioch,Constantinople.It's all fucking in the hands of the infidels.
You should all repent! Confess to God!

The infidels would dispute their infidelity.

They would still be wrong.

God did forbid murder.

It's not murder!
You can get a lawyer to argue with him about it.He'll explain to you the difference between murder and abortion.

And the difference is...?

[New Visayan Islands]

God didn't forbid us to have an abortion.What is not mentioned in the Bible, can we do it or bun？

God did forbid murder.

Which is considered one of four Sins that Cry to Heaven for Vengeance.

[Tarsonis]

It gets you everyone from Martin Luther to Joseph Smith to Jim Bakker to Jim Jones. (Note: I'm not saying they're all equivalent).

They are pretty much equivalent.

The infidels would dispute their infidelity.

They would still be wrong.

It's not murder!
You can get a lawyer to argue with him about it.He'll explain to you the difference between murder and abortion.

And the difference is...?

We shouldn't be in the habit of dehumanizing non-Christians

[The Archregimancy]

Muslims really have no care for Jerusalem anymore, beyond its political potency in the Israel/Palestine debate. Mecca and Medina are far more relevant than Jerusalem.

That's not really true, Tarsonis.

Long before the post-WWII situation in what's now Israel and Palestine, Jerusalem had special significance for Muslims, going back to the very beginnings of Islam.

It would be fair to note that it's less significant than Mecca or Medina, but the al-Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem is the third-holiest site in Islam - following only the Ka'bah (Mecca) and Prophet's Mosque (Medina). Jerusalem marks the site of the Prophet's Night Journey; in Islamic tradition, Muhammed met all of the predecessor prophets at different stages of that journey, ascended to Heaven, and received the injunction directly from God (after a bit of back and forth negotiation involving Moses) that Muslims should pray five times a day. Even before the Night Journey, Jerusalem was considered so important that it marked the first direction of prayer for the first Muslims, before Muhammed changed the direction towards Mecca.

I'm not sure we can offer a direct equivalent in Christianity; but I wouldn't be so casually dismissive of the city's spiritual and theological significance to Islam.

[The Archregimancy]

Jesus!That's where Jesus was crucified.You are so generous!
The truth is, where the Bible happened, it's now in the hands of the fuck damned infidels.
Bethlehem,Jerusalem,nazareth,Antioch,Constantinople.It's all fucking in the hands of the infidels.
You should all repent! Confess to God!

Constantinople's in the Bible? 300 years before Constantine I refounded Byzantium and it was named after the emperor?

Remarkable.

I can also say with a certain measure of confidence that I've never fucked an infidel's hand.

[Sundiata]

Marriage.

Marriage is a sacrament like baptism, like confirmation, like confession. Marriage is specifically a sacrament of service. Priesthood and the consecrated (single) life also fulfill the sacrament of service.

And boy, it's a lovely thing. You don't need a priest to be married, just the two beloved with the intent of fulfilling the sacrament, and the recitement of wedding vows. The priest does not administer this sacrament, it's the couple who does so to one another. The marriage also must be consumated physically.