Third ZSeparatists wrote:Protestants did have a point in leaving the Roman Catholic Church, and I’m saying this even though I’m Catholic.
Did they though?
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by Tarsonis » Fri Jan 03, 2020 12:47 pm
Third ZSeparatists wrote:Protestants did have a point in leaving the Roman Catholic Church, and I’m saying this even though I’m Catholic.
by Lost Memories » Fri Jan 03, 2020 12:56 pm
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Methodist Church plans to split over gay marriage
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-usa-r ... Z21SI?il=0
Who doesn't love a schism?
The United Methodist Church plans to split into two denominations later this year, church officials said on Friday
[...]
A council of Methodist bishops in Washington, D.C. called Friday’s move the “best means to resolve our differences.”
by Lower Nubia » Fri Jan 03, 2020 1:36 pm
Minachia wrote:Lower Nubia wrote:
I mean, verse 11 is applicable to men too, a male student of the time would be in full submission to a teacher and learn in silence.
Which of course, begs the question, what are they learning to do, which demands a tutor-student (Luke 10:39) relationship?
Verse 12 is surely more specific, as we have plenty of examples of women teaching men the Gospel.
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by The Federal Government of Iowa » Fri Jan 03, 2020 1:37 pm
by The Federal Government of Iowa » Fri Jan 03, 2020 2:15 pm
by The New California Republic » Fri Jan 03, 2020 2:21 pm
The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:I find this to be very stupid. The Bible clearly calls homosexuality a sin, there should be no debate over meaning. It is clear as day.
by Lord Dominator » Fri Jan 03, 2020 2:25 pm
Lost Memories wrote:Shouldn't that mindset fall cleanly inside moral relativism or personal morality?
No universal truth to discover, just differing opinions, all with equal validity (that is, none)
It just shows either side was unable to make a convincing argument, so both walk away in different directions while telling themselves it wasn't a total failure.
(though, i would argue in protestant splits cases it looks more like a group leaving the original denomination while claiming to still retain their denomination, lots of naming appropriation)
I mean, it can be inevitable sometimes to be unable to reach an agreement point, but hailing the "splitting as solution" sounds like taking a step further, in the direction of irrilevancy and loss of credibility.
The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:I find this to be very stupid. The Bible clearly calls homosexuality a sin, there should be no debate over meaning. It is clear as day.
by Tarsonis » Fri Jan 03, 2020 2:30 pm
by Tarsonis » Fri Jan 03, 2020 2:31 pm
The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:I find this to be very stupid. The Bible clearly calls homosexuality a sin, there should be no debate over meaning. It is clear as day.
by Lost Memories » Fri Jan 03, 2020 2:40 pm
Lord Dominator wrote:As I understand this didn't just come recently, but has been something they've been arguing on or debating for the last decade at least. To me that suggests that an arranged split is viewed as being better to continuing an endless debate on the subject.
by Minachia » Fri Jan 03, 2020 4:56 pm
Third ZSeparatists wrote:Protestants did have a point in leaving the Roman Catholic Church, and I’m saying this even though I’m Catholic.
by Jack Thomas Lang » Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:19 pm
Tarsonis wrote:Depends on how you define homosexuality.
by Lord Dominator » Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:21 pm
Lost Memories wrote:Lord Dominator wrote:As I understand this didn't just come recently, but has been something they've been arguing on or debating for the last decade at least. To me that suggests that an arranged split is viewed as being better to continuing an endless debate on the subject.
I imagine the intention to be the same. But it's still a declaration (or admission) of failure.
The ones proposing to lift the ban failed to get their suggestion across, so they left with their crowd.
The ones against the proposal failed to convince the proponents to desist, so they lost a piece.
by Salus Maior » Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:57 pm
by Jack Thomas Lang » Fri Jan 03, 2020 6:00 pm
Salus Maior wrote:He's not.
by Tarsonis » Fri Jan 03, 2020 10:28 pm
by Lost Memories » Sat Jan 04, 2020 3:39 am
Lord Dominator wrote:Lost Memories wrote:I imagine the intention to be the same. But it's still a declaration (or admission) of failure.
The ones proposing to lift the ban failed to get their suggestion across, so they left with their crowd.
The ones against the proposal failed to convince the proponents to desist, so they lost a piece.
There's a point at which continued failure is more unproductive than further argument. Ideally this will mean both have more energy and whatnot to do normal church things rather than internal arguments.
by The Archregimancy » Sat Jan 04, 2020 4:25 am
by The New California Republic » Sat Jan 04, 2020 4:34 am
Tarsonis wrote:[...] participating in [...] lgbt culture [...] which would be sinful.
LGBT culture varies widely by geography and the identity of the participants. Elements common to cultures of gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender, and intersex people include:
- Works by famous gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender people, including:Contemporary LGBT artists and political figures. Historical figures identified as LGBT, although identifying historical figures with modern terms for sexual identity is controversial (see History of sexuality). However, many LGBT people feel a kinship with these people and their work (particularly that addressing same-sex attraction or gender identity); an example is VictoryFund.org, dedicated to supporting homosexual politicians.
- An understanding of LGBT social movements
- Figures and identities present in the LGBT community; within LGBT communities in Western culture, this might include drag kings and queens, pride parades and the rainbow flag.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_culture
by Tarsonis » Sat Jan 04, 2020 5:37 am
The New California Republic wrote:Tarsonis wrote:[...] participating in [...] lgbt culture [...] which would be sinful.
Is it though?LGBT culture varies widely by geography and the identity of the participants. Elements common to cultures of gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender, and intersex people include:
- Works by famous gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender people, including:Contemporary LGBT artists and political figures. Historical figures identified as LGBT, although identifying historical figures with modern terms for sexual identity is controversial (see History of sexuality). However, many LGBT people feel a kinship with these people and their work (particularly that addressing same-sex attraction or gender identity); an example is VictoryFund.org, dedicated to supporting homosexual politicians.
- An understanding of LGBT social movements
- Figures and identities present in the LGBT community; within LGBT communities in Western culture, this might include drag kings and queens, pride parades and the rainbow flag.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_culture
by The New California Republic » Sat Jan 04, 2020 5:41 am
by Tarsonis » Sat Jan 04, 2020 5:43 am
The New California Republic wrote:Tarsonis wrote:
So would you consider NAMBLA morally dubious? That it’s members are engaged in morally abhorrent behavior in trying to normalize and legalize pedophilia?
*disclaimer: I’m in no way saying homosexuality and pedophilia are the same thing.
Why the fuck did you raise paedophilia right off the bat? The actual fuck Tarsonis?
by The New California Republic » Sat Jan 04, 2020 5:45 am
by Tarsonis » Sat Jan 04, 2020 5:53 am
The New California Republic wrote:Tarsonis wrote:
Honestly, because I’m unsure of what exactly you consider moral and immoral behavior, so I picked a topic I thought you we’re very likely to consider immoral.
We were talking about LGBT culture being a "sin" or not, and you go off on a tangent about paedophilia. I still don't quite know what you are doing...
by The New California Republic » Sat Jan 04, 2020 5:59 am
Tarsonis wrote:The New California Republic wrote:We were talking about LGBT culture being a "sin" or not, and you go off on a tangent about paedophilia. I still don't quite know what you are doing...
LGBT culture being a sin wouldn’t be accurate, as it’s an intangible quantity. Participating in it however would be. Which is the point I’m trying to draw up here.
Tarsonis wrote:Raping children is clearly morally abhorrent. Thus a group like NAMBLA that actively campaigns to normalize and legalize child rape, are engage in licentious action in doing so.
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