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What is your denomination?

Roman Catholic
263
38%
Eastern Orthodox
47
7%
Non-Chalcedonian (Oriental Orthodox, Church of the East, etc.)
6
1%
Anglican/Episcopalian
35
5%
Lutheran or Reformed (including Calvinist, Presbyterian, etc.)
71
10%
Methodist
16
2%
Baptist
66
9%
Other Evangelical Protestant (Pentecostal, Charismatic, etc.)
62
9%
Restorationist (LDS Movement, Jehovah's Witness, etc.)
32
5%
Other Christian
97
14%
 
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Postby Kowani » Sun May 02, 2021 7:16 pm

Luminesa wrote:
Kowani wrote:Kidnapped clergy in Haiti released
The remaining Catholic clergy who were kidnapped in Haiti earlier in April have been released, including a French priest and nun, a missionary group said Friday.

Their abduction caused outrage to boil over in Haiti, which is battling a spike in kidnappings for ransom and a political crisis.

The release of the clergy was announced by the Society of Priests of Saint Jacques, which said the victims were unharmed but provided no information on whether a ransom had been paid to secure their freedom.

In its note, the religious society thanked the ambassadors of France and the United States "for their discreet and effective diplomatic contribution."

A total of 10 people were abducted in Croix-des-Bouquets, a town northeast of the capital Port-au-Prince, on April 11, including the seven clergy -- three of whom had already been released.

The clergy members were a group of four priests and a nun from Haiti, as well as one priest and one nun from France. The three non-clergy were members of the family of a Haitian priest, who was not among those kidnapped.

"Our hearts are filled with joy because we have found our colleagues, the sisters and the family members of Father Jean Anel Joseph in good health," the missionary society said in a statement.

In Paris, the foreign ministry welcomed the news. "We thank all the actors who contributed to this happy outcome, in particular the Haitian Catholic church for its mobilization," a ministry spokesman said during a press briefing.

Thank God they’re safe. Who was keeping them hostage?

Apparently, a local gang called the "400 Mawozo"
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Postby Luminesa » Sun May 02, 2021 7:27 pm

Kowani wrote:
Luminesa wrote:Thank God they’re safe. Who was keeping them hostage?

Apparently, a local gang called the "400 Mawozo"

How horrifying. Once again, I'm glad the hostages are safe.
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Postby Kowani » Sun May 02, 2021 7:37 pm

Luminesa wrote:
Kowani wrote:Apparently, a local gang called the "400 Mawozo"

How horrifying. Once again, I'm glad the hostages are safe.

i could not, unfortunately, learn what a "mawozo" was, outside of a Swahili word meaning "thoughts"
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Postby Tarsonis » Sun May 02, 2021 8:26 pm

Kowani wrote:
Luminesa wrote:How horrifying. Once again, I'm glad the hostages are safe.

i could not, unfortunately, learn what a "mawozo" was, outside of a Swahili word meaning "thoughts"


400 Thoughts? Sounds like a boy band that never got their big break
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Postby Uiiop » Sun May 02, 2021 10:44 pm

Kowani wrote:
Luminesa wrote:How horrifying. Once again, I'm glad the hostages are safe.

i could not, unfortunately, learn what a "mawozo" was, outside of a Swahili word meaning "thoughts"

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Postby Antinatalia » Sun May 02, 2021 10:50 pm

You obviously haven't read the glorious r/atheism, petty swine. LOL! You gotta check it out. You dumb orthodox whatever-the-FLIPs wouldn't get it though. Smooth brain!!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

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Postby Lady Victory » Mon May 03, 2021 4:38 am

Antinatalia wrote:You obviously haven't read the glorious r/atheism, petty swine. LOL! You gotta check it out. You dumb orthodox whatever-the-FLIPs wouldn't get it though. Smooth brain!!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


You know, I was going to respond with hostility but instead I think I'll forgive you for your trespasses and hope you have a nice day. :)
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Postby Starblaydia » Mon May 03, 2021 6:02 am

Antinatalia wrote:You obviously haven't read the glorious r/atheism, petty swine. LOL! You gotta check it out. You dumb orthodox whatever-the-FLIPs wouldn't get it though. Smooth brain!!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Ironically enough, you obviously haven't read the One Stop Rules Shop.

You gotta knock off the drive-by trolling and flaming, then check those rules out.
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Postby Tarsonis » Mon May 03, 2021 7:52 am

Lady Victory wrote:
Antinatalia wrote:You obviously haven't read the glorious r/atheism, petty swine. LOL! You gotta check it out. You dumb orthodox whatever-the-FLIPs wouldn't get it though. Smooth brain!!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


You know, I was going to respond with hostility but instead I think I'll forgive you for your trespasses and hope you have a nice day. :)



I dunno, it's so over the top its practically satirical
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Postby Kowani » Mon May 03, 2021 10:50 am

Tarsonis wrote:
Lady Victory wrote:
You know, I was going to respond with hostility but instead I think I'll forgive you for your trespasses and hope you have a nice day. :)



I dunno, it's so over the top its practically satirical

I’m just wondering who they thought was going to be owned by that
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Postby Tarsonis » Mon May 03, 2021 11:36 am

Kowani wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:

I dunno, it's so over the top its practically satirical

I’m just wondering who they thought was going to be owned by that


Yeah. I remember my first time on the internet. *shudders*
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Postby Suriyanakhon » Mon May 03, 2021 11:41 am

Tarsonis wrote:
Kowani wrote:I’m just wondering who they thought was going to be owned by that


Yeah. I remember my first time on the internet. *shudders*


If it makes you feel any better, this is probably a universal experience.

At least that's what I tell myself whenever remembering.
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Postby Odreria » Mon May 03, 2021 1:44 pm

Kowani wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:

I dunno, it's so over the top its practically satirical

I’m just wondering who they thought was going to be owned by that

Yeah I’m pretty sure it’s anti atheist satire
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Postby Tarsonis » Mon May 03, 2021 2:12 pm

Odreria wrote:
Kowani wrote:I’m just wondering who they thought was going to be owned by that

Yeah I’m pretty sure it’s anti atheist satire


especially since smooth brain is a r/wallstreetbets meme
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Postby Lady Victory » Wed May 05, 2021 1:33 pm

Okay so I had a thought.

Those who suffer are (IIRC) "closest to God", right? And yet if we're to break down Christ's Message to it's most basic understanding it is essentially telling us to be compassionate and empathetic to others; i.e. alleviating suffering wherever we find it. At first glance this can seem contradictory, after all wouldn't God want us to be closer to Him?

But then I thought more about it: God is loving and merciful; He cares for us and as a result doesn't want us to suffer. He selflessly encourages us to alleviate suffering even though those who suffer are closest to Him because He puts our wellbeing before Himself, just as He died on the cross to save us even when it brought Him pain and misery at the hands of His own children. Once again He makes sacrifices for our needs.

Or maybe I'm just reading too much into this one phrase, idk. Correct me if I got anything wrong.
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Postby Punished UMN » Wed May 05, 2021 3:02 pm

Lady Victory wrote:Okay so I had a thought.

Those who suffer are (IIRC) "closest to God", right? And yet if we're to break down Christ's Message to it's most basic understanding it is essentially telling us to be compassionate and empathetic to others; i.e. alleviating suffering wherever we find it. At first glance this can seem contradictory, after all wouldn't God want us to be closer to Him?

But then I thought more about it: God is loving and merciful; He cares for us and as a result doesn't want us to suffer. He selflessly encourages us to alleviate suffering even though those who suffer are closest to Him because He puts our wellbeing before Himself, just as He died on the cross to save us even when it brought Him pain and misery at the hands of His own children. Once again He makes sacrifices for our needs.

Or maybe I'm just reading too much into this one phrase, idk. Correct me if I got anything wrong.

One thing I think I would add to maybe help clear up any hitches in it is that God's love isn't just a feeling that he has, but is an aspect of him. God didn't create the universe, the people in it, the sun and the stars, etc. etc. just because he felt like it, he did so because his essence, among many other aspects, is to love. It's not that God is putting love before himself, it's that God's essence necessarily is loving, and so suffering for the sake of others was something he did readily. He suffered, suffered horribly, but he went to this willingly out of love. Dying on the cross was always his plan, it was a step in the plan of his resurrection; hence his final words on the cross: "It is accomplished." God suffered for our sake not just on a whim, but because he desired for human fulfillment, for he would be incomplete without saving us. Salvation is not merely a burden which God has taken on (though he suffered for it and took on this burden), but is a fulfillment of what he has desired for the world from the beginning of time.
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Postby Lady Victory » Wed May 05, 2021 3:23 pm

Punished UMN wrote:
Lady Victory wrote:Okay so I had a thought.

Those who suffer are (IIRC) "closest to God", right? And yet if we're to break down Christ's Message to it's most basic understanding it is essentially telling us to be compassionate and empathetic to others; i.e. alleviating suffering wherever we find it. At first glance this can seem contradictory, after all wouldn't God want us to be closer to Him?

But then I thought more about it: God is loving and merciful; He cares for us and as a result doesn't want us to suffer. He selflessly encourages us to alleviate suffering even though those who suffer are closest to Him because He puts our wellbeing before Himself, just as He died on the cross to save us even when it brought Him pain and misery at the hands of His own children. Once again He makes sacrifices for our needs.

Or maybe I'm just reading too much into this one phrase, idk. Correct me if I got anything wrong.

One thing I think I would add to maybe help clear up any hitches in it is that God's love isn't just a feeling that he has, but is an aspect of him. God didn't create the universe, the people in it, the sun and the stars, etc. etc. just because he felt like it, he did so because his essence, among many other aspects, is to love. It's not that God is putting love before himself, it's that God's essence necessarily is loving, and so suffering for the sake of others was something he did readily. He suffered, suffered horribly, but he went to this willingly out of love. Dying on the cross was always his plan, it was a step in the plan of his resurrection; hence his final words on the cross: "It is accomplished." God suffered for our sake not just on a whim, but because he desired for human fulfillment, for he would be incomplete without saving us. Salvation is not merely a burden which God has taken on (though he suffered for it and took on this burden), but is a fulfillment of what he has desired for the world from the beginning of time.


Oh yeah, totally, of course. I knew that. I'm just bad with words is all. Sorry.

Comes with being socially awkward.
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Postby Punished UMN » Wed May 05, 2021 3:24 pm

Lady Victory wrote:
Punished UMN wrote:One thing I think I would add to maybe help clear up any hitches in it is that God's love isn't just a feeling that he has, but is an aspect of him. God didn't create the universe, the people in it, the sun and the stars, etc. etc. just because he felt like it, he did so because his essence, among many other aspects, is to love. It's not that God is putting love before himself, it's that God's essence necessarily is loving, and so suffering for the sake of others was something he did readily. He suffered, suffered horribly, but he went to this willingly out of love. Dying on the cross was always his plan, it was a step in the plan of his resurrection; hence his final words on the cross: "It is accomplished." God suffered for our sake not just on a whim, but because he desired for human fulfillment, for he would be incomplete without saving us. Salvation is not merely a burden which God has taken on (though he suffered for it and took on this burden), but is a fulfillment of what he has desired for the world from the beginning of time.


Oh yeah, totally, of course. I knew that. I'm just bad with words is all. Sorry.

Comes with being socially awkward.

Understandable, lol. Sometimes I like to hear myself write is all.
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Postby Bienenhalde » Thu May 06, 2021 8:13 pm

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Convenient.


Not any more convenient than the heads of the Church being infallible collectively on certain decisions, like the Ecumenical Councils. Which the Orthodox Church believes.


Yes, but that seems much more sensible than suggesting a single person can be infallible, even under limited circumstances.

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Bienenhalde wrote:
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Not any more convenient than the heads of the Church being infallible collectively on certain decisions, like the Ecumenical Councils. Which the Orthodox Church believes.


Yes, but that seems much more sensible than suggesting a single person can be infallible, even under limited circumstances.


I feel like the reason the catholic church gets in hot water is exactly because of having a basically dictatorial head.
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Postby North Washington Republic » Thu May 06, 2021 10:01 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
Not any more convenient than the heads of the Church being infallible collectively on certain decisions, like the Ecumenical Councils. Which the Orthodox Church believes.


Yes, but that seems much more sensible than suggesting a single person can be infallible, even under limited circumstances.


I have a hard time believing that the Bible endorses that one person can be infallible, especially in terms of faith and morals.
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Christianity is more divided than Africa
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Postby North Washington Republic » Thu May 06, 2021 10:07 pm

Khwarazmshahiyan wrote:Christianity is more divided than Africa


All religions have their sects and splinter groups.
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Postby Khwarazmshahiyan » Thu May 06, 2021 10:09 pm

North Washington Republic wrote:
Khwarazmshahiyan wrote:Christianity is more divided than Africa


All religions have their sects and splinter groups.

Yea but why soo many? Some of those "Sects" literally split off because of what day they go or how they take communion
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