Christian Discussion Thread XI: Anicetus’ Revenge

[Ethel mermania]

This is this xtian discussion thread, its kind of rude to argue God doesn't exist here. The framework of the thread is to discuss the theological implications and doctrines of xtianity, not to question the rightness or wrongness of its existence

I was refering to you don't have to believe other religions are demonic just because "Jesus says so". Although, did Jesus ever say all other religions are demonic or wrong?

Jesus did say the path of salvation is through him. You could make the argument that paths that lead others astray and lead to hell are demonic in nature.

[Tarsonis]

You're conflating conduct with theological premise. Loving your neighbor doesn't mean falsely ascribing validity to their beliefs, beyond acknowledging that those are their beliefs.

You can say another religion is wrong, but you don;t have to think another religion is by the Devil. Otherwise, how will you adapt?

If you're not willing to understand Christianity on its terms, your objection is baseless and hence irrelevant.

[Celritannia]

"Let's point out how other groups are different from us by condescending them"
That's what it is.

Ok. That's how you are understanding the word "demonic". Good to finally have it spelled out.

Now. That isn't what "demonic" means in christianity. Which, the christian meaning, is most likely what Sundiata was using.

So Sundiata said: "I like drinking from a glass"
And you went: "Nooo, glasses are to put on yout eyes to see better!!"

I'm dramatizing it, but do you get it? Same word, different meaning. You set on a tirade, which failed in communicating anything of worth.
Would you like to know what christians mean for "demonic"?

So you are still being condescending? Fine, you're going on ignore.

[Lost Memories]

You think you're giving a strong rebuttal here, but what you're actually saying is "I don't understand how Christianity works"

Jesus did say "love Thy Neighbour", did he mean just other Christians?

Just because this comes up all toooo often.

Jesus said "Love God with all your soul, with all your mind, that's the greatest commandment"
and then he said "the second greatest, is love your neighbor like yourself"

[Celritannia]

You can say another religion is wrong, but you don;t have to think another religion is by the Devil. Otherwise, how will you adapt?

If you're not willing to understand Christianity on its terms, your objection is baseless and hence irrelevant.

So I should think other groups of people are evil because Jesus?

[Borderlands of Rojava]

I was refering to you don't have to believe other religions are demonic just because "Jesus says so". Although, did Jesus ever say all other religions are demonic or wrong?

Jesus did say the path of salvation is through him. You could make the argument that paths that lead others astray and lead to hell are demonic in nature.

"The path to salvation is through me" is a little but vague. I mean Jesus isn't just a figure in Christianity.

[Celritannia]

Jesus did say the path of salvation is through him. You could make the argument that paths that lead others astray and lead to hell are demonic in nature.

"The path to salvation is through me" is a little but vague. I mean Jesus isn't just a figure in Christianity.

Exactly, you could see Jesus as a secular enlightened philosopher.

[Tarsonis]

That's exactly the problem. I think that we should start with the beginning with him about who God is and God's nature before we get into the more specific questions. He's a smart cookie so I'll be very excited to get into this topic if he's interested.

I don't, and will never believe in the existence of God, for a multitude of reason.
But that does not mean I am stopping other from.

No, you're just unwilling to learn anything.

Just stop thinking other religions are evil and an enemy.

Why don't you start listening so you can actually understand what's being said?

This is why we have a secular society.

This is also wholely irrelevant.

[Celritannia]

I don't, and will never believe in the existence of God, for a multitude of reason.
But that does not mean I am stopping other from.

No, you're just unwilling to learn anything.

Just stop thinking other religions are evil and an enemy.

Why don't you start listening so you can actually understand what's being said?

This is why we have a secular society.

This is also wholely irrelevant.

Are you willing to learn about other religions before calling them evil and demonic?

[Tarsonis]

If you're not willing to understand Christianity on its terms, your objection is baseless and hence irrelevant.

So I should think other groups of people are evil because Jesus?

Not what I said, but if you want to be deliberately obtuse I can't stop you.

[Loeje]

Well since such references aren't banned on NS then if it really offends you that much then just don't get involved in those RPs.

I'm trying to share it with other Christians is all. Please don't attack me, I'm not taking anything away from you. I didn't say it offends me. I said I fear for thr younger peopke that are more susceptible to actual demonically influenced people. I didnt tske part in the RP. And The only thing I did was raise the issue amongst those who care. I don't expect you to care if you're not a Christian.

I don't care much either, as a Christian. There aren't any actual children here, and teenagers are capable of making their own decisions.

[Suriyanakhon]

"The path to salvation is through me" is a little but vague. I mean Jesus isn't just a figure in Christianity.

Exactly, you could see Jesus as a secular enlightened philosopher.

But he wasn't though, Jesus was a 1st century CE rabbi who taught a monotheistic religion in a period where concepts such as secularism or the Enlightenment didn't exist. It's pure ahistoricism.

[Tarsonis]

No, you're just unwilling to learn anything.




Why don't you start listening so you can actually understand what's being said?



This is also wholely irrelevant.

Are you willing to learn about other religions before calling them evil and demonic?

Learning about religions is literally what I do. You should try it yourself.

[Celritannia]

So I should think other groups of people are evil because Jesus?

Not what I said, but if you want to be deliberately obtuse I can't stop you.

But saying Christianity is intolerant just has me further disliking it, and this shows.

[Lost Memories]

Are you willing to learn about other religions before calling them evil and demonic?

[Tarsonis]

Not what I said, but if you want to be deliberately obtuse I can't stop you.

But saying Christianity is intolerant just has me further disliking it, and this shows.

Why am I supposed to care whether you like it or not? Honest question.

[Suriyanakhon]

Not what I said, but if you want to be deliberately obtuse I can't stop you.

But saying Christianity is intolerant just has me further disliking it, and this shows.

If it bothers you so much, I'd recommend just talking to a priest or a pastor rather than here tbh.

[Celritannia]

Are you willing to learn about other religions before calling them evil and demonic?

Learning about religions is literally what I do. You should try it yourself.

I do, which is why I don't see them as demonic.

[Celritannia]

But saying Christianity is intolerant just has me further disliking it, and this shows.

Why am I supposed to care whether you like it or not? Honest question.

Because if you want people to become part of your religion, showing how intolerant your religion is is the worst way to go about it.

[Sundiata]

That's exactly the problem. I think that we should start with the beginning with him about who God is and God's nature before we get into the more specific questions. He's a smart cookie so I'll be very excited to get into this topic if he's interested.

I don't, and will never believe in the existence of God, for a multitude of reason.
But that does not mean I am stopping other from.
Just stop thinking other religions are evil and an enemy.

This is why we have a secular society.

But can I please talk to you about who and what God is? I'd sincerely like to hear your questions and opinions on just the basics.

I also might have some questions for you. Is that fine? I sincerely want to share the faith with you in a positive way. If you don't believe, you don't believe. I still think that it would be good for the both of us if you understand where I'm coming from.

I mean that not just as a Christian but as a friend.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Why am I supposed to care whether you like it or not? Honest question.

Because if you want people to become part of your religion, showing how intolerant your religion is is the worst way to go about it.

It's actually worked pretty well for Christianity and Islam historically. Hence why they're the two dominant global religions.

[Celritannia]

But saying Christianity is intolerant just has me further disliking it, and this shows.

If it bothers you so much, I'd recommend just talking to a priest or a pastor rather than here tbh.

Lumi actually has Christianity sound really opening, calming, and tolerant to all people.

[Ethel mermania]

Jesus did say the path of salvation is through him. You could make the argument that paths that lead others astray and lead to hell are demonic in nature.

"The path to salvation is through me" is a little but vague. I mean Jesus isn't just a figure in Christianity.

This is the xtian discussion thread, what he means to me isn't the thread topic

[Celritannia]

Because if you want people to become part of your religion, showing how intolerant your religion is is the worst way to go about it.

It's actually worked pretty well for Christianity and Islam historically. Hence why they're the two dominant global religions.

Historically, sure. Conversion by the sword was far more common.

But now? It should be more tolerant.

[Tarsonis]

Learning about religions is literally what I do. You should try it yourself.

I do, which is why I don't see them as demonic.

Of course you wouldn't, as you're an atheist. You don't believe in Demons. If you did, I'd be very confused. The problem here is you're not realizing that Christians do believe in actual demons and an actual devil.

When they say something is demonic, that's not just a poetic term used to vilify something they don't like. They are expressing a view that such things are deceptions of the devil and his demonic minions, which they actually believe to be real existent beings.