Christian Discussion Thread XI: Anicetus’ Revenge

[Borderlands of Rojava]

You'd think nearly all of the followers of the Catholic Church would no longer see other cultures and religions as demonic, since we have advanced.

coughcoughVatican IIcoughcough

But yes, Vatican II could be considered the Church adapting to a time where people have begun to properly see each other as people.

Vatican II be like "we know not everyone is catholic and you know, that's alright. You don't have to be catholic."

[Lost Memories]

Why would something being demonic, be intollerant, if it doesn't exist?
That doesn't make sense.


Do you believe in flying elephants? Is calling someone a "flying elephant", to be intollerant?

Just because I don't believe in the existence of any deity, does not mean someone else is being intolerant by calling another religion or culture demonic.

But what does demonic means?
Why is it a bad word?

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Really? Cause my soul feels like it's all made up .

Souls in their natural state know the way of Christ but they can and usually are, at one point or another, led astray by the Satan and the sins of the world.

You mean the scary red guy who cannot be proven to exist?

[Tarsonis]

You were the one to bring up Saturnalia and all the other party-set of "the evangelical protestant anti-catholic propaganda", about anything not written in the bible being of pagan origin.
Ironically, you are doing what you are criticizing Sundiata of doing. (which he isn't actually doing)

If you want to show off more of your protestant cultural heritage, that's on you.

The point started with you getting shocked at the usage of the word "demonic", which you have failed yet to define.
What do you understand "demonic" to mean? Is it just a bad bad word? Like poppy, and other bad words kids should not say? Is it nothing else for you?

What does "demonic" means? Since you got offended or wary of it, you should know. Do tell.

Because I base things on actually history, not in the bible.
The bible has it's place, but it is not solely a historical text.

I mean, anything that is not in the bible it technically Pagan, due to what the term Pagan actually means.

I am not Protestant though. I'm an atheist.

Because there is no such thing as demonic powers.
But when one religion calls another religion demonic, that's when thing get stupid.

You're just wasting everybody's time. Clearly adherents of a religion are going to believe the tenants of their religion. Clearly you won't as an atheist.

Did we uncover some ground braking new idea here? No? this thread isn't for you to wax superior for being an atheist. If you're not going to actually engage people's beliefs in good faith, then move along.

[Celritannia]

That's good at least.

Yes, Vatican II was absolutely a good thing.

Now all you need to do is stop calling other religions and cultures demonic.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Because I base things on actually history, not in the bible.
The bible has it's place, but it is not solely a historical text.

I mean, anything that is not in the bible it technically Pagan, due to what the term Pagan actually means.

I am not Protestant though. I'm an atheist.

Because there is no such thing as demonic powers.
But when one religion calls another religion demonic, that's when thing get stupid.

You're just wasting everybody's time. Clearly adherents of a religion are going to believe the tenants of their religion. Clearly you won't as an atheist.

Did we uncover some ground braking new idea here? No? this thread isn't for you to wax superior for being an atheist. If you're not going to actually engage people's beliefs in good faith, then move along.

You understand why celrit went full atheist right? Mainly Sundiata calling Hindus devil Worshippers by calling yoga demonically influenced.

[Sundiata]

Souls in their natural state know the way of Christ but they can and usually are, at one point or another, led astray by the Satan and the sins of the world.

Only if you believe in your religion.

So no.

The teachings of Jesus Christ (God) are true.

[Celritannia]

Because I base things on actually history, not in the bible.
The bible has it's place, but it is not solely a historical text.

I mean, anything that is not in the bible it technically Pagan, due to what the term Pagan actually means.

I am not Protestant though. I'm an atheist.

Because there is no such thing as demonic powers.
But when one religion calls another religion demonic, that's when thing get stupid.

You're just wasting everybody's time. Clearly adherents of a religion are going to believe the tenants of their religion. Clearly you won't as an atheist.

Did we uncover some ground braking new idea here? No? this thread isn't for you to wax superior for being an atheist. If you're not going to actually engage people's beliefs in good faith, then move along.

That's not even what I am doing.
I am simply stating that people who deny that the concepts of Christmas pre-date Christianity in pagan religious festivals.

It's nothing to do with atheism in anyway shame or form

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Only if you believe in your religion.

So no.

The teachings of Jesus Christ (God) are true.

How do you know Hinduism is not?

[The New California Republic]

Do you believe in flying elephants? Is calling someone a "flying elephant", to be intollerant?

Gremlins don't exist for example, but calling someone a gremlin could be seen as offensive and intolerant. So yes, fantasy things can be used to offend and be intolerant.

[Celritannia]

Only if you believe in your religion.

So no.

The teachings of Jesus Christ (God) are true.

Again, if you believe in that religion.

[Baldwin Park]

Is this just a thread to trick Christians into being flamed and mocked?

[Celritannia]

Just because I don't believe in the existence of any deity, does not mean someone else is being intolerant by calling another religion or culture demonic.

But what does demonic means?
Why is it a bad word?

I'm not on about the word.
I am on about calling other cultures and religions demonic.
It's establishing an "other", making them separate, or inhuman.

[Sundiata]

Yes, Vatican II was absolutely a good thing.

Now all you need to do is stop calling other religions and cultures demonic.

I said specifically that I believe yoga as a spiritual practice is demonic.

You're twisting my words to make them sound more antagonistic towards other cultures and religions than they actually are and I really don't appreciate that.

You're engaging in sophistry.

[Lost Memories]

Yes, Vatican II was absolutely a good thing.

Now all you need to do is stop calling other religions and cultures demonic.

Why? It's not like you know what demonic means. (given your silence to the question, up to now)

[Washington Resistance Army]

Now all you need to do is stop calling other religions and cultures demonic.

I said specifically that yoga as a spiritual practice is demonic.

You're twisting my words to make them sound more antagonistic towards other cultures and religions than they actually are and I really don't appreciate that.

You're engaging in sophistry.

I mean, no matter how you slice it that's an antagonistic statement and point of view.

[Celritannia]

Now all you need to do is stop calling other religions and cultures demonic.

I said specifically that yoga as a spiritual practice is demonic.

You're twisting my words to make them sound more antagonistic towards other cultures and religions than they actually are and I really don't appreciate that.

You're engaging in sophistry.

But Hinduism is not demonic. Other religions are not demonic.
Unless you can explain why, without saying "because it's not Christian"?

[The New California Republic]

Is this just a thread to trick Christians into being flamed and mocked?

If you truly believe that someone here is being flamed then it's better to report it in Moderation, rather than starting to throw that accusation around in here.

[Celritannia]

Now all you need to do is stop calling other religions and cultures demonic.

Why? It's not like you know what demonic means. (given your silence to the question, up to now)

Alright, now you are being truly condescending, and not understanding why calling another culture and religion demonic is wrong.

[Baldwin Park]

Is this just a thread to trick Christians into being flamed and mocked?

If you truly believe that someone here is being flamed then it's better to report it in Moderation, rather than starting to throw that accusation around in here.

I'm not throwing any accusations. This place is just a bunch of atheists mocking Christians. Its pretty evident.

[Ethel mermania]

My friend, I want to make one thing absolutely clear. Things are demonic, divinely disordered, because they go against the way of Christ. Not because I like or dislike them.

Christ is the logos, the word, the way. And at risk of sounding like a certain knuckles meme, I won't flippantly ask if you know it.

Why? Because your soul knows it, everyone's soul knows it.

You don't have to accept that you know? Who can formulate your own opinion.

I don't believe in the existence in any religion, nor do I think anything is demonic, because that would intolerant.

This is this xtian discussion thread, its kind of rude to argue God doesn't exist here. The framework of the thread is to discuss the theological implications and doctrines of xtianity, not to question the rightness or wrongness of its existence

[Tarsonis]

You're just wasting everybody's time. Clearly adherents of a religion are going to believe the tenants of their religion. Clearly you won't as an atheist.

Did we uncover some ground braking new idea here? No? this thread isn't for you to wax superior for being an atheist. If you're not going to actually engage people's beliefs in good faith, then move along.

You understand why celrit went full atheist right? Mainly Sundiata calling Hindus devil Worshippers by calling yoga demonically influenced.

He said that because Christianity professes to be the one true faith, and that all other religions are false. Satan as the "he who deceives the world" fills the role in many lines of thought as the source of all falsehoods, to include false religious beliefs.

Essentially if it is not of God, then it is of the devil. Er go, any religion not the one true religion, is of the devil.


And what's worse is that I know that you both know this. If you want to have an actual good faith dialectic on the origin, affects, importance, controveray etc etc, of this line of thinking then by all means. But it states right in the fucking op that this thread is not for tilting at religious players. If you can't respect our faith, then jog right the hell on.

[The New California Republic]

Is this just a thread to trick Christians into being flamed and mocked?

If you truly believe that someone here is being flamed then it's better to report it in Moderation, rather than starting to throw that accusation around in here.

I'm not throwing any accusations. This place is just a bunch of atheists mocking Christians. Its pretty evident.

You actually are. The statement "Is this just a thread to trick Christians into being flamed and mocked?" is implicitly making an accusation of flaming occurring somewhere here.

[Tarsonis]

You're just wasting everybody's time. Clearly adherents of a religion are going to believe the tenants of their religion. Clearly you won't as an atheist.

Did we uncover some ground braking new idea here? No? this thread isn't for you to wax superior for being an atheist. If you're not going to actually engage people's beliefs in good faith, then move along.

That's not even what I am doing.
I am simply stating that people who deny that the concepts of Christmas pre-date Christianity in pagan religious festivals.

It's nothing to do with atheism in anyway shame or form

That is exactly what you're doing, and this plea to ignorance is even more insulting than what you've been spewing here.

[Lost Memories]

Do you believe in flying elephants? Is calling someone a "flying elephant", to be intollerant?

Gremlins don't exist for example, but calling someone a gremlin could be seen as offensive and intolerant. So yes, fantasy things can be used to offend and be intolerant.

Example time:

Now, imagine there is a religion which believes in Gremlins. Gremlins in that religion are defined with specific traits and qualities. That's definition1 of "Gremlin".
Then, there is what you said. The generic usage of "Gremlin" by people who don't believe in Gremlins, which could be seen as offensive and intolerant, for reasons unknown. That's definition2 of "Gremlin"

Sundiata used "demonic" by definition1 of demonic.
Celritannia has been going on how definition2 of "demonic" is intollerant.

Ok. We don't care for definition 2. That's only on you.
You people getting your pants dirty for definition2 of "demonic", are failing to grasp there exist a definition1 of "demonic".