Christian Discussion Thread XI: Anicetus’ Revenge

[Sundiata]

Iraq increases security in preparation for the Pope's visit

That takes balls to visit Iraq. Good on him.

[Kowani]

Iraq increases security in preparation for the Pope's visit

The Pope has left Rome, his 4 day trip has begun

[Sundiata]

Iraq increases security in preparation for the Pope's visit

The Pope has left Rome, his 4 day trip has begun

This trip is going to have an impact that lasts for generations.

[Lost Memories]

The Vatican Media youtube stream, is following the visit of Pope Francis in Iraq.


There seems to have been a lot of work by the Iraq authorities to prepare this visit. They should be the first ones to wish for no problems to happen.

(there are few translations in english yet, translated/dubbed videos may come later in the various language specific channels, the Pope is doing speeches mainly in italian, the state authorities and translators speak in their local language)

[Lost Memories]

They've also set up a photogallery for the papal visit:
Apostolic Journey to the Republic of Iraq (5-8 March 2021)




Feeling nervous yet?

So far the visit has been cheerful, and at times understandably serious, for what has happened in Iraq.

About that church:

Sayidat-al-Najat (Our Lady of the Salvation or Our Lady of Perpetual Help) (Syriac Cathedral)

The first primitive church Sayidat-al-Najat had been built in 1952, as a modest place of worship, just before the cathedral was erected in 1968, after 3 years of construction works.

On October 31st 2010, one of the worst attacks against Iraqi Christians took place in this cathedral Sayidat-al-Najat. During mass, 47 Christian people were brutally shot dead by a commando of 5 ISIS jihadis. This attack has been a watershed event, the world became then suddenly aware of how much Iraqi Christians were threatened, abused and persecuted by islamic terrorists’ and mafia groups.

https://www.mesopotamiaheritage.org/en/ ... de-bagdad/

[Sundiata]

They've also set up a photogallery for the papal visit:
Apostolic Journey to the Republic of Iraq (5-8 March 2021)


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Feeling nervous yet?

So far the visit has been cheerful, and at times understandably serious, for what has happened in Iraq.

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About that church:

Sayidat-al-Najat (Our Lady of the Salvation or Our Lady of Perpetual Help) (Syriac Cathedral)

The first primitive church Sayidat-al-Najat had been built in 1952, as a modest place of worship, just before the cathedral was erected in 1968, after 3 years of construction works.

On October 31st 2010, one of the worst attacks against Iraqi Christians took place in this cathedral Sayidat-al-Najat. During mass, 47 Christian people were brutally shot dead by a commando of 5 ISIS jihadis. This attack has been a watershed event, the world became then suddenly aware of how much Iraqi Christians were threatened, abused and persecuted by islamic terrorists’ and mafia groups.

https://www.mesopotamiaheritage.org/en/ ... de-bagdad/

I pray that Pope Francis doesn't get harmed.

[Old Tyrannia]

The Pope has left Rome, his 4 day trip has begun

This trip is going to have an impact that lasts for generations.

Why would that be, exactly?

[Sundiata]

This trip is going to have an impact that lasts for generations.

Why would that be, exactly?

There are Catholics in Iraq that need to be emboldened right now and the presence of Pope Francis is a sign that God is with them.

[Old Tyrannia]

Why would that be, exactly?

There are Catholics in Iraq that need to be emboldened right now and the presence of Pope Francis is a sign that God is with them.

I don't see how the pope visiting shows Iraqi Catholics that "God is with them." All it shows is that the pope is with them, for a brief time anyway. The visit will do nothing to change the broader reality for Christians living in Iraq. I will admit that I didn't know previously that the largest Christian church in Iraq was in communion with Rome until I looked it up just now; I always assumed that the Syriac Orthodox Church and the Assyrian Church of the East would be the largest. Given that I suppose that the pope's visit may be more significant to the Christian community than I at first thought, but I still don't see it having an "impact that lasts for generations."

[Sundiata]

There are Catholics in Iraq that need to be emboldened right now and the presence of Pope Francis is a sign that God is with them.

I don't see how the pope visiting shows Iraqi Catholics that "God is with them." All it shows is that the pope is with them, for a brief time anyway. The visit will do nothing to change the broader reality for Christians living in Iraq. I will admit that I didn't know previously that the largest Christian church in Iraq was in communion with Rome until I looked it up just now; I always assumed that the Syriac Orthodox Church and the Assyrian Church of the East would be the largest. Given that I suppose that the pope's visit may be more significant to the Christian community than I at first thought, but I still don't see it having an "impact that lasts for generations."

The Pope isn't just some nice guy who cares. Him being there as the successor to St. Peter means that God is with the people of Iraq. The living situation of Christians in Iraq will take time to change but the presence of Pope Francis brings attention to that struggle. God wants the people of Iraq to have hope.

[Crysuko]

I don't see how the pope visiting shows Iraqi Catholics that "God is with them." All it shows is that the pope is with them, for a brief time anyway. The visit will do nothing to change the broader reality for Christians living in Iraq. I will admit that I didn't know previously that the largest Christian church in Iraq was in communion with Rome until I looked it up just now; I always assumed that the Syriac Orthodox Church and the Assyrian Church of the East would be the largest. Given that I suppose that the pope's visit may be more significant to the Christian community than I at first thought, but I still don't see it having an "impact that lasts for generations."

The Pope isn't just some nice guy who cares. Him being there as the successor to St. Peter means that God is with the people of Iraq. The living situation of Christians in Iraq will take time to change but the presence of Pope Francis brings attention to that struggle. God wants the people of Iraq to have hope.

Pope's a pretty swell guy.

[Sundiata]

The Pope isn't just some nice guy who cares. Him being there as the successor to St. Peter means that God is with the people of Iraq. The living situation of Christians in Iraq will take time to change but the presence of Pope Francis brings attention to that struggle. God wants the people of Iraq to have hope.

Pope's a pretty swell guy.

He's one of my favorite living people. He's extremely kind and I'm glad God put him in the chair of St. Peter.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

What do you guys think regarding Rastafarianism and Ghost Dance? Valid in their beliefs, totally heretical, not even worthy of serious consideration or debate? I'd post links but I can't figure out how to copy-paste on my phone so just look them up on Wikipedia if you aren't already familiar with them.

[Punished UMN]

What do you guys think regarding Rastafarianism and Ghost Dance? Valid in their beliefs, totally heretical, not even worthy of serious consideration or debate? I'd post links but I can't figure out how to copy-paste on my phone so just look them up on Wikipedia if you aren't already familiar with them.

They're not even Christian denominations.

[Salus Maior]

What do you guys think regarding Rastafarianism and Ghost Dance? Valid in their beliefs, totally heretical, not even worthy of serious consideration or debate? I'd post links but I can't figure out how to copy-paste on my phone so just look them up on Wikipedia if you aren't already familiar with them.

They're not even Christian denominations.

^

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

What do you guys think regarding Rastafarianism and Ghost Dance? Valid in their beliefs, totally heretical, not even worthy of serious consideration or debate? I'd post links but I can't figure out how to copy-paste on my phone so just look them up on Wikipedia if you aren't already familiar with them.

They're not even Christian denominations.

I'm well aware of that. However, they are still directly linked to Christianity.

[Kowani]

What do you guys think regarding Rastafarianism and Ghost Dance? Valid in their beliefs, totally heretical, not even worthy of serious consideration or debate? I'd post links but I can't figure out how to copy-paste on my phone so just look them up on Wikipedia if you aren't already familiar with them.

...isn't the Ghost Dance like Lakota spirituality
at least Rastafarianism is connected to the abrahamic faiths-

[Punished UMN]

They're not even Christian denominations.

I'm well aware of that. However, they are still directly linked to Christianity.

The fact that they're not Christian denominations should probably tell you the answer to whether Christians would consider them to be true. I have a soft spot for Rasta though because my godfather, despite being white Jamaican, had lots of friends in the movement and it was Haile Selassie's visit to Jamaica which inspired him to begin research into historical Christianity.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

What do you guys think regarding Rastafarianism and Ghost Dance? Valid in their beliefs, totally heretical, not even worthy of serious consideration or debate? I'd post links but I can't figure out how to copy-paste on my phone so just look them up on Wikipedia if you aren't already familiar with them.

...isn't the Ghost Dance like Lakota spirituality
at least Rastafarianism is connected to the abrahamic faiths-

Sort of. It was a religious movement that basically tried to appropriate the Christian God and connect Him with Native American beliefs with the end goal being essentially Tecumseh's Confederacy but non-violent and in the Western U.S.

I'm well aware of that. However, they are still directly linked to Christianity.

The fact that they're not Christian denominations should probably tell you the answer to whether Christians would consider them to be true. I have a soft spot for Rasta though because my godfather, despite being white Jamaican, had lots of friends in the movement and it was Haile Selassie's visit to Jamaica which inspired him to begin research into historical Christianity.

I didn't specifically ask if anyone believed in them, I asked what people's thoughts on them were.

[Kowani]

...isn't the Ghost Dance like Lakota spirituality
at least Rastafarianism is connected to the abrahamic faiths-

Sort of. It was a religious movement that basically tried to appropriate the Christian God and connect Him with Native American beliefs with the end goal being essentially Tecumseh's Confederacy but non-violent and in the Western U.S.

The fact that they're not Christian denominations should probably tell you the answer to whether Christians would consider them to be true. I have a soft spot for Rasta though because my godfather, despite being white Jamaican, had lots of friends in the movement and it was Haile Selassie's visit to Jamaica which inspired him to begin research into historical Christianity.

I didn't specifically ask if anyone believed in them, I asked what people's thoughts on them were.

i see

[Salus Maior]

I'm well aware of that. However, they are still directly linked to Christianity.

I mean, so is Islam.

[Punished UMN]

...isn't the Ghost Dance like Lakota spirituality
at least Rastafarianism is connected to the abrahamic faiths-

Sort of. It was a religious movement that basically tried to appropriate the Christian God and connect Him with Native American beliefs with the end goal being essentially Tecumseh's Confederacy but non-violent and in the Western U.S.

The fact that they're not Christian denominations should probably tell you the answer to whether Christians would consider them to be true. I have a soft spot for Rasta though because my godfather, despite being white Jamaican, had lots of friends in the movement and it was Haile Selassie's visit to Jamaica which inspired him to begin research into historical Christianity.

I didn't specifically ask if anyone believed in them, I asked what people's thoughts on them were.

You asked if we thought they were valid or heretical. How is that not asking us whether we believe in them?

[Suriyanakhon]

What do you guys think regarding Rastafarianism and Ghost Dance? Valid in their beliefs, totally heretical, not even worthy of serious consideration or debate? I'd post links but I can't figure out how to copy-paste on my phone so just look them up on Wikipedia if you aren't already familiar with them.

Not a Christian, but I find them to be really interesting examples of new religious movements which developed out of a cultural melting pot.

[Punished UMN]

What do you guys think regarding Rastafarianism and Ghost Dance? Valid in their beliefs, totally heretical, not even worthy of serious consideration or debate? I'd post links but I can't figure out how to copy-paste on my phone so just look them up on Wikipedia if you aren't already familiar with them.

Not a Christian, but I find them to be really interesting examples of new religious movements which developed out of a cultural melting pot.

Pretty much. I find them culturally fascinating but I don't think it's a correct religious movement.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

I'm well aware of that. However, they are still directly linked to Christianity.

I mean, so is Islam.

Yes, which I personally consider heretical.

Sort of. It was a religious movement that basically tried to appropriate the Christian God and connect Him with Native American beliefs with the end goal being essentially Tecumseh's Confederacy but non-violent and in the Western U.S.



I didn't specifically ask if anyone believed in them, I asked what people's thoughts on them were.

You asked if we thought they were valid or heretical. How is that not asking us whether we believe in them?

I was merely providing examples of opinions some might have in regards to their beliefs. You're reading too much into my post.

What do you guys think regarding Rastafarianism and Ghost Dance? Valid in their beliefs, totally heretical, not even worthy of serious consideration or debate? I'd post links but I can't figure out how to copy-paste on my phone so just look them up on Wikipedia if you aren't already familiar with them.

Not a Christian, but I find them to be really interesting examples of new religious movements which developed out of a cultural melting pot.

I mean you could argue Christianity itself was born out of a cultural melting pot lol.