That takes balls to visit Iraq. Good on him.
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by Kowani » Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:33 am
by Lost Memories » Fri Mar 05, 2021 9:10 am
by Lost Memories » Fri Mar 05, 2021 10:21 am
Sayidat-al-Najat (Our Lady of the Salvation or Our Lady of Perpetual Help) (Syriac Cathedral)
The first primitive church Sayidat-al-Najat had been built in 1952, as a modest place of worship, just before the cathedral was erected in 1968, after 3 years of construction works.
On October 31st 2010, one of the worst attacks against Iraqi Christians took place in this cathedral Sayidat-al-Najat. During mass, 47 Christian people were brutally shot dead by a commando of 5 ISIS jihadis. This attack has been a watershed event, the world became then suddenly aware of how much Iraqi Christians were threatened, abused and persecuted by islamic terrorists’ and mafia groups.
https://www.mesopotamiaheritage.org/en/ ... de-bagdad/
by Sundiata » Fri Mar 05, 2021 11:06 am
Lost Memories wrote:They've also set up a photogallery for the papal visit:
Apostolic Journey to the Republic of Iraq (5-8 March 2021)
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Feeling nervous yet?
So far the visit has been cheerful, and at times understandably serious, for what has happened in Iraq.(Image)(Image)(Image)
About that church:Sayidat-al-Najat (Our Lady of the Salvation or Our Lady of Perpetual Help) (Syriac Cathedral)
The first primitive church Sayidat-al-Najat had been built in 1952, as a modest place of worship, just before the cathedral was erected in 1968, after 3 years of construction works.
On October 31st 2010, one of the worst attacks against Iraqi Christians took place in this cathedral Sayidat-al-Najat. During mass, 47 Christian people were brutally shot dead by a commando of 5 ISIS jihadis. This attack has been a watershed event, the world became then suddenly aware of how much Iraqi Christians were threatened, abused and persecuted by islamic terrorists’ and mafia groups.
https://www.mesopotamiaheritage.org/en/ ... de-bagdad/
by Old Tyrannia » Fri Mar 05, 2021 11:40 am
by Sundiata » Fri Mar 05, 2021 11:44 am
by Old Tyrannia » Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:00 pm
by Sundiata » Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:20 pm
Old Tyrannia wrote:Sundiata wrote:There are Catholics in Iraq that need to be emboldened right now and the presence of Pope Francis is a sign that God is with them.
I don't see how the pope visiting shows Iraqi Catholics that "God is with them." All it shows is that the pope is with them, for a brief time anyway. The visit will do nothing to change the broader reality for Christians living in Iraq. I will admit that I didn't know previously that the largest Christian church in Iraq was in communion with Rome until I looked it up just now; I always assumed that the Syriac Orthodox Church and the Assyrian Church of the East would be the largest. Given that I suppose that the pope's visit may be more significant to the Christian community than I at first thought, but I still don't see it having an "impact that lasts for generations."
by Crysuko » Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:27 pm
Sundiata wrote:Old Tyrannia wrote:I don't see how the pope visiting shows Iraqi Catholics that "God is with them." All it shows is that the pope is with them, for a brief time anyway. The visit will do nothing to change the broader reality for Christians living in Iraq. I will admit that I didn't know previously that the largest Christian church in Iraq was in communion with Rome until I looked it up just now; I always assumed that the Syriac Orthodox Church and the Assyrian Church of the East would be the largest. Given that I suppose that the pope's visit may be more significant to the Christian community than I at first thought, but I still don't see it having an "impact that lasts for generations."
The Pope isn't just some nice guy who cares. Him being there as the successor to St. Peter means that God is with the people of Iraq. The living situation of Christians in Iraq will take time to change but the presence of Pope Francis brings attention to that struggle. God wants the people of Iraq to have hope.
by Sundiata » Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:33 pm
Crysuko wrote:Sundiata wrote:The Pope isn't just some nice guy who cares. Him being there as the successor to St. Peter means that God is with the people of Iraq. The living situation of Christians in Iraq will take time to change but the presence of Pope Francis brings attention to that struggle. God wants the people of Iraq to have hope.
Pope's a pretty swell guy.
by Trollzyn the Infinite » Fri Mar 05, 2021 2:07 pm
by Punished UMN » Fri Mar 05, 2021 2:10 pm
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:What do you guys think regarding Rastafarianism and Ghost Dance? Valid in their beliefs, totally heretical, not even worthy of serious consideration or debate? I'd post links but I can't figure out how to copy-paste on my phone so just look them up on Wikipedia if you aren't already familiar with them.
by Salus Maior » Fri Mar 05, 2021 2:11 pm
Punished UMN wrote:Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:What do you guys think regarding Rastafarianism and Ghost Dance? Valid in their beliefs, totally heretical, not even worthy of serious consideration or debate? I'd post links but I can't figure out how to copy-paste on my phone so just look them up on Wikipedia if you aren't already familiar with them.
They're not even Christian denominations.
by Trollzyn the Infinite » Fri Mar 05, 2021 2:13 pm
Punished UMN wrote:Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:What do you guys think regarding Rastafarianism and Ghost Dance? Valid in their beliefs, totally heretical, not even worthy of serious consideration or debate? I'd post links but I can't figure out how to copy-paste on my phone so just look them up on Wikipedia if you aren't already familiar with them.
They're not even Christian denominations.
by Kowani » Fri Mar 05, 2021 2:16 pm
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:What do you guys think regarding Rastafarianism and Ghost Dance? Valid in their beliefs, totally heretical, not even worthy of serious consideration or debate? I'd post links but I can't figure out how to copy-paste on my phone so just look them up on Wikipedia if you aren't already familiar with them.
by Punished UMN » Fri Mar 05, 2021 2:17 pm
by Trollzyn the Infinite » Fri Mar 05, 2021 2:21 pm
Kowani wrote:Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:What do you guys think regarding Rastafarianism and Ghost Dance? Valid in their beliefs, totally heretical, not even worthy of serious consideration or debate? I'd post links but I can't figure out how to copy-paste on my phone so just look them up on Wikipedia if you aren't already familiar with them.
...isn't the Ghost Dance like Lakota spirituality
at least Rastafarianism is connected to the abrahamic faiths-
Punished UMN wrote:Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
I'm well aware of that. However, they are still directly linked to Christianity.
The fact that they're not Christian denominations should probably tell you the answer to whether Christians would consider them to be true. I have a soft spot for Rasta though because my godfather, despite being white Jamaican, had lots of friends in the movement and it was Haile Selassie's visit to Jamaica which inspired him to begin research into historical Christianity.
by Kowani » Fri Mar 05, 2021 2:24 pm
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:Kowani wrote:...isn't the Ghost Dance like Lakota spirituality
at least Rastafarianism is connected to the abrahamic faiths-
Sort of. It was a religious movement that basically tried to appropriate the Christian God and connect Him with Native American beliefs with the end goal being essentially Tecumseh's Confederacy but non-violent and in the Western U.S.Punished UMN wrote:The fact that they're not Christian denominations should probably tell you the answer to whether Christians would consider them to be true. I have a soft spot for Rasta though because my godfather, despite being white Jamaican, had lots of friends in the movement and it was Haile Selassie's visit to Jamaica which inspired him to begin research into historical Christianity.
I didn't specifically ask if anyone believed in them, I asked what people's thoughts on them were.
by Salus Maior » Fri Mar 05, 2021 2:26 pm
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
I'm well aware of that. However, they are still directly linked to Christianity.
by Punished UMN » Fri Mar 05, 2021 2:27 pm
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:Kowani wrote:...isn't the Ghost Dance like Lakota spirituality
at least Rastafarianism is connected to the abrahamic faiths-
Sort of. It was a religious movement that basically tried to appropriate the Christian God and connect Him with Native American beliefs with the end goal being essentially Tecumseh's Confederacy but non-violent and in the Western U.S.Punished UMN wrote:The fact that they're not Christian denominations should probably tell you the answer to whether Christians would consider them to be true. I have a soft spot for Rasta though because my godfather, despite being white Jamaican, had lots of friends in the movement and it was Haile Selassie's visit to Jamaica which inspired him to begin research into historical Christianity.
I didn't specifically ask if anyone believed in them, I asked what people's thoughts on them were.
by Suriyanakhon » Fri Mar 05, 2021 2:27 pm
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:What do you guys think regarding Rastafarianism and Ghost Dance? Valid in their beliefs, totally heretical, not even worthy of serious consideration or debate? I'd post links but I can't figure out how to copy-paste on my phone so just look them up on Wikipedia if you aren't already familiar with them.
by Punished UMN » Fri Mar 05, 2021 2:31 pm
Suriyanakhon wrote:Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:What do you guys think regarding Rastafarianism and Ghost Dance? Valid in their beliefs, totally heretical, not even worthy of serious consideration or debate? I'd post links but I can't figure out how to copy-paste on my phone so just look them up on Wikipedia if you aren't already familiar with them.
Not a Christian, but I find them to be really interesting examples of new religious movements which developed out of a cultural melting pot.
by Trollzyn the Infinite » Fri Mar 05, 2021 2:32 pm
Punished UMN wrote:Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Sort of. It was a religious movement that basically tried to appropriate the Christian God and connect Him with Native American beliefs with the end goal being essentially Tecumseh's Confederacy but non-violent and in the Western U.S.
I didn't specifically ask if anyone believed in them, I asked what people's thoughts on them were.
You asked if we thought they were valid or heretical. How is that not asking us whether we believe in them?
Suriyanakhon wrote:Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:What do you guys think regarding Rastafarianism and Ghost Dance? Valid in their beliefs, totally heretical, not even worthy of serious consideration or debate? I'd post links but I can't figure out how to copy-paste on my phone so just look them up on Wikipedia if you aren't already familiar with them.
Not a Christian, but I find them to be really interesting examples of new religious movements which developed out of a cultural melting pot.
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