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What is your denomination?

Roman Catholic
220
38%
Eastern Orthodox
41
7%
Non-Chalcedonian (Oriental Orthodox, Church of the East, etc.)
3
1%
Anglican/Episcopalian
31
5%
Lutheran or Reformed (including Calvinist, Presbyterian, etc.)
61
11%
Methodist
11
2%
Baptist
54
9%
Other Evangelical Protestant (Pentecostal, Charismatic, etc.)
46
8%
Restorationist (LDS Movement, Jehovah's Witness, etc.)
25
4%
Other Christian
80
14%
 
Total votes : 572

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Postby United Hemand Insia » Thu Dec 17, 2020 4:16 pm

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Turelisa- wrote:The Bible tells us to 'put away evil from among you' by inflicting the death penalty upon people who commit the most heinous crimes - murder, adultery, incest, paedophilia, criminal insanity and certain unnatural sexual acts.
People who commit these crimes are depraved, and can't be saved. They haven't the Holy Spirit working in them. They are the worst of reprobates.They're outside of God's grace, and must be killed judicially to spare the rest of society their corrupting influence. An evil person is never happy, and death is a release from the suffering which they inflict upon themselves. What is kinder than that? If you spare the reprobate criminal's life, and give him his freedom, you are, in effect, protracting his suffering and eventual self-destruction and guaranteeing the destruction of future victims of his depravity.
If they were in God's grace, they would either be intimidated by the rule of law sufficiently to refrain from temptation to do these unholy acts or, having the Holy Spirit working in them, would be regenerated from that natural depravity whence springs all Evil.


What are these unnatural sexual acts?


They already listed the worst sexual act we as followers can commit.
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Postby Tarsonis » Thu Dec 17, 2020 4:19 pm

United Hemand Insia wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
Those terms aren't mutually exclusive.


Genius has it listed as power pop and rock. The world is weird and confusing.


Well that's accurate, it was written by Leonard Cohen, and Rufus Wainwright did a cover of it for Shrek which revived it into the modern zeitgeist and its been covered to death by every singer with dream.


I'd agree that it's not a Christian song in the same vein, as say "Amazing Grace." It's not a hymn, it's a song about heart break. However it uses biblical figures in a way that is faithful to their stories and the lessons there in, so it is easily digestible into the Christian ethos in the same way a hymn is, making it a Christian song, as well as a pop song /folk song.
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Postby Tarsonis » Thu Dec 17, 2020 4:21 pm

The Blaatschapen wrote:
Turelisa- wrote:The Bible tells us to 'put away evil from among you' by inflicting the death penalty upon people who commit the most heinous crimes - murder, adultery, incest, paedophilia, criminal insanity and certain unnatural sexual acts.
People who commit these crimes are depraved, and can't be saved. They haven't the Holy Spirit working in them. They are the worst of reprobates.They're outside of God's grace, and must be killed judicially to spare the rest of society their corrupting influence. An evil person is never happy, and death is a release from the suffering which they inflict upon themselves. What is kinder than that? If you spare the reprobate criminal's life, and give him his freedom, you are, in effect, protracting his suffering and eventual self-destruction and guaranteeing the destruction of future victims of his depravity.
If they were in God's grace, they would either be intimidated by the rule of law sufficiently to refrain from temptation to do these unholy acts or, having the Holy Spirit working in them, would be regenerated from that natural depravity whence springs all Evil.


What are these unnatural sexual acts?


He's talking about the LGBs
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Postby United Hemand Insia » Thu Dec 17, 2020 4:23 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
United Hemand Insia wrote:
Genius has it listed as power pop and rock. The world is weird and confusing.


Well that's accurate, it was written by Leonard Cohen, and Rufus Wainwright did a cover of it for Shrek which revived it into the modern zeitgeist and its been covered to death by every singer with dream.


I'd agree that it's not a Christian song in the same vein, as say "Amazing Grace." It's not a hymn, it's a song about heart break. However it uses biblical figures in a way that is faithful to their stories and the lessons there in, so it is easily digestible into the Christian ethos in the same way a hymn is, making it a Christian song, as well as a pop song /folk song.


Thanks for the info. So, when the song talks about being tied to the kitchen chair and having his hair cut, Cohen's talking about Solomon and that beautiful woman, correct?
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Postby Tarsonis » Thu Dec 17, 2020 4:25 pm

United Hemand Insia wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
Well that's accurate, it was written by Leonard Cohen, and Rufus Wainwright did a cover of it for Shrek which revived it into the modern zeitgeist and its been covered to death by every singer with dream.


I'd agree that it's not a Christian song in the same vein, as say "Amazing Grace." It's not a hymn, it's a song about heart break. However it uses biblical figures in a way that is faithful to their stories and the lessons there in, so it is easily digestible into the Christian ethos in the same way a hymn is, making it a Christian song, as well as a pop song /folk song.


Thanks for the info. So, when the song talks about being tied to the kitchen chair and having his hair cut, Cohen's talking about Solomon and that beautiful woman, correct?


I think that's more a reference to Samson and Delilah
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Postby United Hemand Insia » Thu Dec 17, 2020 4:26 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
United Hemand Insia wrote:
Thanks for the info. So, when the song talks about being tied to the kitchen chair and having his hair cut, Cohen's talking about Solomon and that beautiful woman, correct?


I think that's more a reference to Samson and Delilah


Dang that's what I meant. I knew the man started with an S.
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Postby Salus Maior » Thu Dec 17, 2020 4:27 pm

Turelisa- wrote:The Bible tells us to 'put away evil from among you' by inflicting the death penalty upon people who commit the most heinous crimes - murder, adultery, incest, paedophilia, criminal insanity and certain unnatural sexual acts.
People who commit these crimes are depraved, and can't be saved. They haven't the Holy Spirit working in them. They are the worst of reprobates.They're outside of God's grace, and must be killed judicially to spare the rest of society their corrupting influence. An evil person is never happy, and death is a release from the suffering which they inflict upon themselves. What is kinder than that? If you spare the reprobate criminal's life, and give him his freedom, you are, in effect, protracting his suffering and eventual self-destruction and guaranteeing the destruction of future victims of his depravity.
If they were in God's grace, they would either be intimidated by the rule of law sufficiently to refrain from temptation to do these unholy acts or, having the Holy Spirit working in them, would be regenerated from that natural depravity whence springs all Evil.


Adultery, eh?

3 Now the scribes and the Pharisees *brought a woman caught in the act of adultery, and after placing her in the center of the courtyard, 4 they *said to Him, “Teacher, this woman has been caught in the very act of committing adultery.

5 Now in the Law, Moses commanded us to stone such women; what then do You say?” 6 Now they were saying this to test Him, so that they might have grounds for accusing Him. But Jesus stooped down and with His finger wrote on the ground. 7 When they persisted in asking Him, He straightened up and said to them, “He who is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone at her.”

8 And again He stooped down and wrote on the ground. 9 Now when they heard this, they began leaving, one by one, beginning with the older ones, and He was left alone, and the woman where she was, in the center of the courtyard. 10 And straightening up, Jesus said to her, “Woman, where are they? Did no one condemn you?” 11 She said, “No one, [a]Lord.” And Jesus said, “I do not condemn you, either. Go. From now on do not sin any longer.”


If Christ, who is God Himself, forgave someone worthy of the death penalty, what makes you think you're a worthier judge?
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Postby Tarsonis » Thu Dec 17, 2020 4:28 pm

United Hemand Insia wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
I think that's more a reference to Samson and Delilah


Dang that's what I meant. I knew the man started with an S.


eh you weren't far off. Solomon did have that issue with the Queen of Sheeba
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Postby Salus Maior » Thu Dec 17, 2020 4:28 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
United Hemand Insia wrote:
Dang that's what I meant. I knew the man started with an S.


eh you weren't far off. Solomon did have that issue with the Queen of Sheeba


And like 500 other women.

Solomon had problems.
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Postby United Hemand Insia » Thu Dec 17, 2020 4:28 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
United Hemand Insia wrote:
Dang that's what I meant. I knew the man started with an S.


eh you weren't far off. Solomon did have that issue with the Queen of Sheeba


And she was a beautiful woman, correct?
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Thu Dec 17, 2020 4:29 pm

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What are these unnatural sexual acts?


He's talking about the LGBs


:meh:
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Given that there is gay marriage, should then gay adulterers be getting the death penalty twice?
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Postby Old Tyrannia » Thu Dec 17, 2020 4:31 pm

The Jeff Buckley version of "Hallelujah" is the best version. Cohen's original isn't bad either though.

The version used in the actual film Shrek is actually John Cale's cover, although it's Rufus Wainwright's version that's on the official soundtrack album.
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Postby United Hemand Insia » Thu Dec 17, 2020 4:32 pm

Old Tyrannia wrote:The Jeff Buckley version of "Hallelujah" is the best version. Cohen's original isn't bad either though.

The version used in the actual film Shrek is actually John Cale's cover, although it's Rufus Wainwright's version that's on the official soundtrack album.


Personally, the best version is Pentatonix's version.
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Postby Tarsonis » Thu Dec 17, 2020 4:33 pm

The Blaatschapen wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
He's talking about the LGBs


:meh:
For turelisa:
Given that there is gay marriage, should then gay adulterers be getting the death penalty twice?


Indeed. Not only will they be executed, but when they're reincarnated those people will be executed again.
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Postby Tarsonis » Thu Dec 17, 2020 4:35 pm

United Hemand Insia wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
eh you weren't far off. Solomon did have that issue with the Queen of Sheeba


And she was a beautiful woman, correct?


indeed. Women was sort of Solomon's problem. A lot of Biblical figures had the same issue.
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Postby Old Tyrannia » Thu Dec 17, 2020 4:36 pm

United Hemand Insia wrote:
Old Tyrannia wrote:The Jeff Buckley version of "Hallelujah" is the best version. Cohen's original isn't bad either though.

The version used in the actual film Shrek is actually John Cale's cover, although it's Rufus Wainwright's version that's on the official soundtrack album.


Personally, the best version is Pentatonix's version.

Now there's an opinion worth time in purgatory.
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Postby United Hemand Insia » Thu Dec 17, 2020 4:37 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
United Hemand Insia wrote:
And she was a beautiful woman, correct?


indeed. Women was sort of Solomon's problem. A lot of Biblical figures had the same issue.


Who else except Solomon and Samson? I can't remember any and if I try to, I'll get it wrong.
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Old Tyrannia wrote:
United Hemand Insia wrote:
Personally, the best version is Pentatonix's version.

Now there's an opinion worth time in purgatory.


Strange, something we agree upon.....oh God 2020 really is the end isn't it....
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Postby United Hemand Insia » Thu Dec 17, 2020 4:38 pm

Old Tyrannia wrote:
United Hemand Insia wrote:
Personally, the best version is Pentatonix's version.

Now there's an opinion worth time in purgatory.


What?
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Postby Tarsonis » Thu Dec 17, 2020 4:39 pm

United Hemand Insia wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
indeed. Women was sort of Solomon's problem. A lot of Biblical figures had the same issue.


Who else except Solomon and Samson? I can't remember any and if I try to, I'll get it wrong.


David and Bathseeba,
Solomon and His Wives,
Ahab and Jezebel
Samson and Delilah
and arguably: Adam and Eve. for Eve was deceived first, then Adam.


to name a few
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Postby United Hemand Insia » Thu Dec 17, 2020 4:40 pm

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United Hemand Insia wrote:
Who else except Solomon and Samson? I can't remember any and if I try to, I'll get it wrong.


David and Bathseeba,
Solomon and His Wives,
Ahab and Jezebel
Samson and Delilah
and arguably: Adam and Eve. for Eve was deceived first, then Adam.


to name a few


Wow, you study scripture way more than I do lol.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Thu Dec 17, 2020 4:42 pm

United Hemand Insia wrote:
Old Tyrannia wrote:The Jeff Buckley version of "Hallelujah" is the best version. Cohen's original isn't bad either though.

The version used in the actual film Shrek is actually John Cale's cover, although it's Rufus Wainwright's version that's on the official soundtrack album.


Personally, the best version is Pentatonix's version.


I'll go for https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbmjU9kIh8E

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Postby Tarsonis » Thu Dec 17, 2020 4:43 pm

United Hemand Insia wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
David and Bathseeba,
Solomon and His Wives,
Ahab and Jezebel
Samson and Delilah
and arguably: Adam and Eve. for Eve was deceived first, then Adam.


to name a few


Wow, you study scripture way more than I do lol.


I have a masters degree in it. :)
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Postby United Hemand Insia » Thu Dec 17, 2020 4:43 pm

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Wow, you study scripture way more than I do lol.


I have a masters degree in it. :)


Wow.
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Postby United Hemand Insia » Thu Dec 17, 2020 4:44 pm

The Blaatschapen wrote:
United Hemand Insia wrote:
Personally, the best version is Pentatonix's version.


I'll go for https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbmjU9kIh8E

If there is a hell, I just bought myself a first class ticket :)


hahahahah.
Pro: right-wing, -life, military, police, guns, capitalism, democracy, LGBT, there's more but I can't currently think of them.
Anti: Left-wing, -choice, racial injustice, Democrats, communism, socialism, liberal, social, there's also more but I can't think of them right now.
"Looking at the rain people!" - Dion
Long Live Harry Potter
Πρέπει να είμαστε ένα με τον εαυτό μας, όχι με τον κόσμο. Πρέπει να καταλάβουμε τον εαυτό μας πριν καταλάβουμε τους άλλους.

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