Christian Discussion Thread XI: Anicetus’ Revenge

[New Visayan Islands]

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wat

I think he means if somehow the Muslims came to dominate the West Western culture would become far more Christian fundamentalist as a backlash.

IOW, Reconquista cranked up to 11?

[Lost Memories]

Friendly reminder that November 22nd is Sollemnitas DNIC Universorum Regis under the current General Roman Calendar.

¡Viva Cristo Rey!

Thanks for the reminder in advance.

After checking it out, it seems the current liturgical calendar is about to end, and a new cicle is about to start. As the Solemnity of Our Lord Jesus Christ, King of the Universe (or Feast of Christ the King), falls on the last sunday of the liturgical year. (somewhere between 20 and 26 November, according to the year to week alignment, in the ordinary general roman calendar)
This year the Feast of Christ the King overlaps with the day of Saint Cecilia, known as the patron of music and musicians.

[Black Hetmanate]

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wat

I think he means if somehow the Muslims came to dominate the West Western culture would become far more Christian fundamentalist as a backlash.

Not really. We share with Islam some of the Old Testament, Jesus is seen by Muslims as one of the prophets and Mary is also the most important woman to their beliefs. According to Qur'an, Christians are among the Peoples of the Book, who receive preferable treatment compared to other religions. We would likely witness a return to an Abrahamic-derived morality. My point was such a situation would likely be more Christian in spirit than the current Western culture, which ends up further and further from its Christian influences each year. Calling our current civilization Christian in any form would be blapshemous. It remains a question of what do we prefer, as Muslims are outnumbering us demographically and atheists are winning the public discourse with us. Gospel-wise, all of this has been predicted and we are not to fear either way.

[The Archregimancy]

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wat

*deus vult intensifies*

Every time you invoke the Crusades, you make the baby Orthodox cry.

[Lost Memories]

I think there is a lot of inflated perception over the "success of atheism"
Most of the (west) news media is irreligiously biased, history books for the last 500 years have been irreligiously biased (especially those written in english, under aristocratic and/or snobbish propaganda), the internet is mainly populated by those with lots of time to spare, meaning many teens in their edgy atheist phase of life (or said otherwise, the phase of personal decision over faith), inflating the perception of atheist relevance over internet.
There is also, worldwide more than half of the atheists are chinese (720,100,000 chinese atheists over 1,193,750,000 atheists worldwide), who either have their folk cults, cult of money, or cult of the chinese communist heroes.
Once one either learns to filter out biases from the media, or finds less biased sources with a more complete coverage, once one studies a bit history from researches up to date with the current discourse on historiography, and just spends less time following the internet trends, it just starts to look like an atheist bubble, like the economic bubbles, it's going to bursts eventually.

The muslims in comparison have a much firmer hold over reality than the atheists.
(only so long the governments of the muslim majority nations are going to enforce islam, without government religious enforcement there may be much fewer muslims around)

[The Blaatschapen]

I think there is a lot of inflated perception over the "success of atheism"
Most of the (west) news media is irreligiously biased, history books for the last 500 years have been irreligiously biased (especially those written in english, under aristocratic and/or snobbish propaganda), the internet is mainly populated by those with lots of time to spare, meaning many teens in their edgy atheist phase of life (or said otherwise, the phase of personal decision over faith), inflating the perception of atheist relevance over internet.
There is also, worldwide more than half of the atheists are chinese (720,100,000 chinese atheists over 1,193,750,000 atheists worldwide), who either have their folk cults, cult of money, or cult of the chinese communist heroes.
Once one either learns to filter out biases from the media, or finds less biased sources with a more complete coverage, once one studies a bit history from researches up to date with the current discourse on historiography, and just spends less time following the internet trends, it just starts to look like an atheist bubble, like the economic bubbles, it's going to bursts eventually.

The muslims in comparison have a much firmer hold over reality than the atheists.
(only so long the governments of the muslim majority nations are going to enforce islam, without government religious enforcement there may be much fewer muslims around)

What does this post have to do with christianity? It's only paragraphs on atheists and muslims

[The New California Republic]

I think there is a lot of inflated perception over the "success of atheism"
Most of the (west) news media is irreligiously biased, history books for the last 500 years have been irreligiously biased (especially those written in english, under aristocratic and/or snobbish propaganda), the internet is mainly populated by those with lots of time to spare, meaning many teens in their edgy atheist phase of life (or said otherwise, the phase of personal decision over faith), inflating the perception of atheist relevance over internet.
There is also, worldwide more than half of the atheists are chinese (720,100,000 chinese atheists over 1,193,750,000 atheists worldwide), who either have their folk cults, cult of money, or cult of the chinese communist heroes.
Once one either learns to filter out biases from the media, or finds less biased sources with a more complete coverage, once one studies a bit history from researches up to date with the current discourse on historiography, and just spends less time following the internet trends, it just starts to look like an atheist bubble, like the economic bubbles, it's going to bursts eventually.

The muslims in comparison have a much firmer hold over reality than the atheists.
(only so long the governments of the muslim majority nations are going to enforce islam, without government religious enforcement there may be much fewer muslims around)

What does this post have to do with christianity? It's only paragraphs on atheists and muslims

Dunno, but in general it is a very peculiar post ngl...

[Black Hetmanate]

What does this post have to do with christianity? It's only paragraphs on atheists and muslims

Dunno, but in general it is a very peculiar post ngl...

I guess it was supposed to be a response to my post, regarding my notion of a consistently religion-dumping West. Still, it's theory versus statistics.

[Adamede]

I think he means if somehow the Muslims came to dominate the West Western culture would become far more Christian fundamentalist as a backlash.

IOW, Reconquista cranked up to 11?

Probably. Alright I’d think that part of their “cranked up to 11” involved trying to not make it last 800 some years.

[Adamede]

I think he means if somehow the Muslims came to dominate the West Western culture would become far more Christian fundamentalist as a backlash.

Not really. We share with Islam some of the Old Testament, Jesus is seen by Muslims as one of the prophets and Mary is also the most important woman to their beliefs. According to Qur'an, Christians are among the Peoples of the Book, who receive preferable treatment compared to other religions. We would likely witness a return to an Abrahamic-derived morality. My point was such a situation would likely be more Christian in spirit than the current Western culture, which ends up further and further from its Christian influences each year. Calling our current civilization Christian in any form would be blapshemous. It remains a question of what do we prefer, as Muslims are outnumbering us demographically and atheists are winning the public discourse with us. Gospel-wise, all of this has been predicted and we are not to fear either way.

That’s not becoming more Christian, that’s just shifting to an Islamic dominated culture where if you’re not Muslim you better be a dhimmi.

And seeing what comes from Muslim fundamentals it’s, if that an example of Abrahamic derived morality I’d say we’re better off without it.

[Black Hetmanate]

That’s not becoming more Christian, that’s just shifting to an Islamic dominated culture where if you’re not Muslim you better be a dhimmi.

Why not? It's much closer to Christianity than what much of what dominates our culture today.

And seeing what comes from Muslim fundamentals it’s, if that an example of Abrahamic derived morality I’d say we’re better off without it.

The same could be said about some of our "fundamentals" from the countless sects and denominations we've developed and even the rhetoric and actions of some major denomination mavericks.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

Saying an Islamic society is closer to a Christian society than a secular society is like saying spiders are closer to ants than worms.

[Salus Maior]

Just want to say, I would rather die than live in an Islamic society.

A secular society with freedom of religion is fine, comparatively.

[Tarsonis]

Just want to say, I would rather die than live in an Islamic society.

A secular society with freedom of religion is fine, comparatively.

I'm an avid secularist, so...

[Old Tyrannia]

Happy Stir-up Sunday to my fellow Anglicans, and a happy Feast of Christ the King to those who celebrate it. I'd like to share today's collect from the Book of Common Prayer: "Stir up, we beseech thee, O Lord, the wills of thy faithful people; that they, plenteously bringing forth the fruit of good works, may of thee be plenteously rewarded; through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen."

[The Archregimancy]

Just want to say, I would rather die than live in an Islamic society.

Well, I've done it twice now, and my testicles didn't shrivel up and fall off, nor did I end up declaring that Allah is the one true God, and Mohammed his prophet; so personal experience suggests it's survivable.

[Luminesa]

Happy Stir-up Sunday to my fellow Anglicans, and a happy Feast of Christ the King to those who celebrate it. I'd like to share today's collect from the Book of Common Prayer: "Stir up, we beseech thee, O Lord, the wills of thy faithful people; that they, plenteously bringing forth the fruit of good works, may of thee be plenteously rewarded; through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen."

Woohoo!

[Adamede]

That’s not becoming more Christian, that’s just shifting to an Islamic dominated culture where if you’re not Muslim you better be a dhimmi.

Why not? It's much closer to Christianity than what much of what dominates our culture today.

And seeing what comes from Muslim fundamentals it’s, if that an example of Abrahamic derived morality I’d say we’re better off without it.

The same could be said about some of our "fundamentals" from the countless sects and denominations we've developed and even the rhetoric and actions of some major denomination mavericks.

Yep, Christian fundamentalism is just as terrible.

[Adamede]

Just want to say, I would rather die than live in an Islamic society.

A secular society with freedom of religion is fine, comparatively.

“Comparatively”

[Sundiata]

I had to miss morning mass unfortunately. I have to do video mass in the evening and it's unfortunate.

[Salus Maior]

Just want to say, I would rather die than live in an Islamic society.

A secular society with freedom of religion is fine, comparatively.

“Comparatively”

Ideally I would prefer a government that is explicitly Christian in nature.

At the very least, something like Britain where the Church plays a role in ceremonial duties, with a monarchy.

And yes, I'm aware that you most likely are not a fan of that idea.

[The New California Republic]

Happy Stir-up Sunday to my fellow Anglicans

I hear that my mother was making Ecclefechan tarts today instead.

[Salus Maior]

Just want to say, I would rather die than live in an Islamic society.

Well, I've done it twice now, and my testicles didn't shrivel up and fall off, nor did I end up declaring that Allah is the one true God, and Mohammed his prophet; so personal experience suggests it's survivable.

Considering you are a foreign professional in the Middle East, I would hope that you know that your experience in Egypt, the Arabian peninsula, etc. would be different from the native Christian community that lives under Islamic societies permanently, such as the Copts or Assyrians.

[The Archregimancy]

Well, I've done it twice now, and my testicles didn't shrivel up and fall off, nor did I end up declaring that Allah is the one true God, and Mohammed his prophet; so personal experience suggests it's survivable.

Considering you are a foreign professional in the Middle East, I would hope that you know that your experience in Egypt, the Arabian peninsula, etc. would be different from the native Christian community that lives under Islamic societies permanently, such as the Copts or Assyrians.

Of course I do; but that wasn't what you wrote down.

You wrote 'I would rather die than live in an Islamic society'; there weren't any qualifiers in that statement.

It seems that what you wanted to write was 'I would rather die than be a native Christian living in an Islamic society'; which I think is still a bit absolutist for my tastes, and doesn't distinguish between the very different experiences of, say, Assyrians, Copts, and Jordanian Orthodox Christians. But it would have a fairer reflection of the point you were trying to make.

Though it would also be fair to point out that, unless I've sadly misjudged this, I almost certainly know rather more Copts in Egypt than you do.

[Salus Maior]

Though it would also be fair to point out that, unless I've sadly misjudged this, I almost certainly know rather more Copts in Egypt than you do.

I mean, yes, I would imagine so considering I've never even been to the Old World. But I do understand that they're a seriously marginalized community in their country, as most Christians are in the Middle East.