Nubia isn't a Catholic.
And also neither of us are being that harsh with you. It's a fair criticism.
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by Salus Maior » Fri Jul 24, 2020 3:12 pm
by Trollzyn the Infinite » Fri Jul 24, 2020 3:36 pm
Lower Nubia wrote:Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Alternative theological positions: *exist*
Catholics: "And so, you will die a heretic's death."
Are there any valid Christian theologies which discount the need of the sacraments which also can also be found in the duty, life and mission of the Church for the last 2,000 years? Not 500? No.
by Lower Nubia » Fri Jul 24, 2020 3:46 pm
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:Lower Nubia wrote:
Are there any valid Christian theologies which discount the need of the sacraments which also can also be found in the duty, life and mission of the Church for the last 2,000 years? Not 500? No.
You're the only one who brought up sacraments, dude. I didn't say anything about them.
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:Churches are just buildings. Physical, material constructs of no real consequence. Temporary and finite. God needs no temples on Earth.
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by Tarsonis » Fri Jul 24, 2020 3:50 pm
by Salus Maior » Fri Jul 24, 2020 4:06 pm
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:Churches are just buildings. Physical, material constructs of no real consequence. Temporary and finite. God needs no temples on Earth.
by Lost Memories » Fri Jul 24, 2020 4:35 pm
Lower Nubia wrote:Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Alternative theological positions: *exist*
Catholics: "And so, you will die a heretic's death."
Are there any valid Christian theologies which discount the need of the sacraments which also can also be found in the duty, life and mission of the Church for the last 2,000 years? Not 500? No.
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:Churches are just buildings. Physical, material constructs of no real consequence. Temporary and finite. God needs no temples on Earth.
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:to dab on the Catholic gate-keeping that occurs so often in this thread.
by Auristania » Fri Jul 24, 2020 6:03 pm
"the Church" with Capital letter = Community.Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Churches are just buildings. Physical, material constructs of no real consequence. Temporary and finite. God needs no temples on Earth.
Yeah... no.
A church in the sense talked about by Geneviev, and to which we all replied to, was not just a building, but a community.
by Pax Nerdvana » Fri Jul 24, 2020 6:44 pm
Narland wrote:Pax Nerdvana wrote:I know I've never really talked about religion here on NS, mainly because I'm not very good at it. Anyway, I just got back from a missions trip that I went on through my church. It was a small town, filled with rundown houses and empty lots. While there, I think I found my calling in life. I think God is trying to tell me to learn a trade and use those skills to fix up broken down houses in places like that, free of charge to the residents. Sorry if I'm incoherent and rambling. I'm not good at talking about religion.
Thank you for posting this. It is a blessing to have a sense of direction and calling in one's life. Not everyone has a sense of surety with what God has called them to do. But God uses us as vessels of honour when we seek his face openly and with humility. He is faithful.
by Trollzyn the Infinite » Fri Jul 24, 2020 7:03 pm
Lower Nubia wrote:Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
You're the only one who brought up sacraments, dude. I didn't say anything about them.
Sacraments like Baptism and the Eucharist were ordained by Christ Himself for the church to do. You can't do them alone. Not to mention the more necessary forms of the sacraments.
1 Kings 8:10; "And when the priests came out of the Holy Place, a cloud filled the house of the Lord, so that the priests could not stand to minister because of the cloud, for the glory of the Lord filled the house of the Lord."
Oof.
Lost Memories wrote:Lower Nubia wrote:
Are there any valid Christian theologies which discount the need of the sacraments which also can also be found in the duty, life and mission of the Church for the last 2,000 years? Not 500? No.
I would rather just look at Jesus, did Jesus teach to stay alone?
Or did he say, among other things: "For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them." (Matthew 18:20)Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:Churches are just buildings. Physical, material constructs of no real consequence. Temporary and finite. God needs no temples on Earth.
Yeah... no.
A church in the sense talked about by Geneviev, and to which we all replied to, was not just a building, but a community.
One can't be in communion by themselves. Communion is a very important part of being christian. So a christian being alone, without meeting others and without sharing with others, without a community, is a contradiction.Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:to dab on the Catholic gate-keeping that occurs so often in this thread.
I'm actually playing with the idea of creating a new christian discussion thread, with a catholic free clause and see if more non-catholics would come out of the woods because of it, but i dunno if it's a valid idea yet
Auristania wrote:"the Church" with Capital letter = Community.Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Churches are just buildings. Physical, material constructs of no real consequence. Temporary and finite. God needs no temples on Earth.
Yeah... no.
A church in the sense talked about by Geneviev, and to which we all replied to, was not just a building, but a community.
"A church" with miniscule letter = building.
Yes, I know that Hebrew, Greek and Latin Bibles were written before the Capital/ miniscule distinction was invented. But now we have that distinction, let's use it.
by Bienenhalde » Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:15 pm
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:Salus Maior wrote:
Nubia isn't a Catholic.
And also neither of us are being that harsh with you. It's a fair criticism.
I didn't say it wasn't. I half-joking by making a Skyrim reference to dab on the Catholic gate-keeping that occurs so often in this thread. Just a little light-hearted, humor is all.
by Tarsonis » Sat Jul 25, 2020 8:54 am
by Tarsonis » Sat Jul 25, 2020 8:59 am
by Lower Nubia » Sat Jul 25, 2020 9:40 am
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:Lower Nubia wrote: 1 Kings 8:10; "And when the priests came out of the Holy Place, a cloud filled the house of the Lord, so that the priests could not stand to minister because of the cloud, for the glory of the Lord filled the house of the Lord."
Oof.
Cool info about a specific event during the ancient history of Israel.
Not sure what it has to do with what I said, tho.
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by Luminesa » Sat Jul 25, 2020 10:18 am
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:Lower Nubia wrote:
Are there any valid Christian theologies which discount the need of the sacraments which also can also be found in the duty, life and mission of the Church for the last 2,000 years? Not 500? No.
You're the only one who brought up sacraments, dude. I didn't say anything about them.
Churches are just buildings. Physical, material constructs of no real consequence. Temporary and finite. God needs no temples on Earth.Salus Maior wrote:
Nubia isn't a Catholic.
And also neither of us are being that harsh with you. It's a fair criticism.
I didn't say it wasn't. I half-joking by making a Skyrim reference to dab on the Catholic gate-keeping that occurs so often in this thread. Just a little light-hearted, humor is all.
by Luminesa » Sat Jul 25, 2020 10:20 am
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:Geneviev wrote:I'm looking for a new church right now, but I have no idea what denomination it should be. Do you have any suggestions for where I should go?
Remember that you don't need to be part of a church if you don't want to be. I'm not and I'm fine with it. Doesn't make you any less Christian.
And those who say it does are probably "Prosperity Gospel" swindlers trying to con you out of your money.
by Rosmana » Sat Jul 25, 2020 10:41 am
by Tarsonis » Sat Jul 25, 2020 10:58 am
Auristania wrote:"the Church" with Capital letter = Community.Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Churches are just buildings. Physical, material constructs of no real consequence. Temporary and finite. God needs no temples on Earth.
Yeah... no.
A church in the sense talked about by Geneviev, and to which we all replied to, was not just a building, but a community.
"A church" with miniscule letter = building.
Yes, I know that Hebrew, Greek and Latin Bibles were written before the Capital/ miniscule distinction was invented. But now we have that distinction, let's use it.
by Tarsonis » Sat Jul 25, 2020 11:09 am
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:Lower Nubia wrote:
Are there any valid Christian theologies which discount the need of the sacraments which also can also be found in the duty, life and mission of the Church for the last 2,000 years? Not 500? No.
You're the only one who brought up sacraments, dude. I didn't say anything about them.
Churches are just buildings. Physical, material constructs of no real consequence. Temporary and finite. God needs no temples on Earth.Salus Maior wrote:
Nubia isn't a Catholic.
And also neither of us are being that harsh with you. It's a fair criticism.
I didn't say it wasn't. I half-joking by making a Skyrim reference to dab on the Catholic gate-keeping that occurs so often in this thread. Just a little light-hearted, humor is all.
by Lower Nubia » Sat Jul 25, 2020 11:09 am
Tarsonis wrote:Auristania wrote:"the Church" with Capital letter = Community.
"A church" with miniscule letter = building.
Yes, I know that Hebrew, Greek and Latin Bibles were written before the Capital/ miniscule distinction was invented. But now we have that distinction, let's use it.
Auri made a succinct, poignant, and elegantly intelligible post. Is this the end?
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by Trollzyn the Infinite » Sat Jul 25, 2020 2:32 pm
Bienenhalde wrote:Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
I didn't say it wasn't. I half-joking by making a Skyrim reference to dab on the Catholic gate-keeping that occurs so often in this thread. Just a little light-hearted, humor is all.
Hello, Lutheran here. Lower Nubia and the Romanists in this thread are right. I believe that the church catholic includes all true Christian churches, not just the Roman Church. There is nothing wrong with having a personal relationship with Jesus, but being a Christian neccesarily involves being a member of the Christian community, ie. the church, and receiving the sacraments.
What? How can you not see what it has to say; God has used stone and earth as his home before, and now. Making your comment redundant.
Rosmana wrote:I think the biggest problem for any Christian in the world these days is the total invasion of Pagan idolatry into the secular world.
Just try to walk into a shop without religious symbols on clothes, jewelry, and other accessories, or a restaurant without Buddha statues, or a book store filled to the brim with new age works posing as philosophy rather than religion.
Tarsonis wrote:Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
You're the only one who brought up sacraments, dude. I didn't say anything about them.
Churches are just buildings. Physical, material constructs of no real consequence. Temporary and finite. God needs no temples on Earth.
I didn't say it wasn't. I half-joking by making a Skyrim reference to dab on the Catholic gate-keeping that occurs so often in this thread. Just a little light-hearted, humor is all.
The accusation of gatekeeping implies that there are legitimate alternative ideas, which doesn't really jive when we're talking about religion. Was Irenaeus "gatekeeping" when he told the Gnostics that their idea's were wrong? The council of Nicea "gatekeeping" when they decided the Arians' beliefs were tantamount to blasphemy? When Chalcedon threw Nestorious out?
This isn't a fandom, it's religion. A religion that professes to possess the True Faith cannot abide contradictory claims. This thread isn't a hangout, it's a debate and discussion thread. Hell, I wish it was a hangout thread sometimes, but when we get too chatty, Arch cracks the whip and tells us to get back to debating.
There's only a handful of catholics who post regularly. If Protestants want a better presence here they need to carve it out for themselves, like our Orthodox posters have....well had. A lot left due to external reasons.
by Sundiata » Sat Jul 25, 2020 2:34 pm
by Tarsonis » Sat Jul 25, 2020 3:13 pm
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:Bienenhalde wrote:
Hello, Lutheran here. Lower Nubia and the Romanists in this thread are right. I believe that the church catholic includes all true Christian churches, not just the Roman Church. There is nothing wrong with having a personal relationship with Jesus, but being a Christian neccesarily involves being a member of the Christian community, ie. the church, and receiving the sacraments.
By being a Christian and interacting with fellow Christians you are, by default, part of the community. I never said otherwise.Lower Nubia wrote:
If you can’t do them alone, where are you doing them?
Right now? Nowhere. Haven't been to church in years. I'd like to, really, but I find most churches unable to deliver an engaging service. While I'm sure the standard service might be enough for a more devout person, I'm really not that devout so I can't garner interest. There was one church I went to that had a very cool service where they even brought a rock band on stage, engaged with the crowd on a personal level, made a few light-hearted jokes here and there, advertised for a local charity they worked with, and some other stuff that kind of broke from the traditional church service. If I ever can bring myself to attend another church I might try to find one like that.What? How can you not see what it has to say; God has used stone and earth as his home before, and now. Making your comment redundant.
See, to me it's saying the Holy Spirit blessed a temple. Unless there's supposed to be a symbolic meaning behind it then it seems rather un-noteworthy.Rosmana wrote:I think the biggest problem for any Christian in the world these days is the total invasion of Pagan idolatry into the secular world.
Just try to walk into a shop without religious symbols on clothes, jewelry, and other accessories, or a restaurant without Buddha statues, or a book store filled to the brim with new age works posing as philosophy rather than religion.
Honestly if you're getting your knickers in a twist over something as trivial as that then maybe religion isn't for you.
Now let's talk about real issues Christians face like violent persecution in the Middle East, China, and India.Tarsonis wrote:
The accusation of gatekeeping implies that there are legitimate alternative ideas, which doesn't really jive when we're talking about religion. Was Irenaeus "gatekeeping" when he told the Gnostics that their idea's were wrong? The council of Nicea "gatekeeping" when they decided the Arians' beliefs were tantamount to blasphemy? When Chalcedon threw Nestorious out?
This isn't a fandom, it's religion. A religion that professes to possess the True Faith cannot abide contradictory claims. This thread isn't a hangout, it's a debate and discussion thread. Hell, I wish it was a hangout thread sometimes, but when we get too chatty, Arch cracks the whip and tells us to get back to debating.
There's only a handful of catholics who post regularly. If Protestants want a better presence here they need to carve it out for themselves, like our Orthodox posters have....well had. A lot left due to external reasons.
You can debate without gatekeeping, and this thread is pretty strongly gatekept by Catholics that have little tolerance for other Christian denominations. Deny it if you wish, I'm not the only one whose noticed.
I'm not a Protestant.
by Trollzyn the Infinite » Sat Jul 25, 2020 5:03 pm
Tarsonis wrote:Non-denominational Christianity is Protestantism, even if you don't like the label.
by Diopolis » Sat Jul 25, 2020 5:10 pm
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:Tarsonis wrote:Non-denominational Christianity is Protestantism, even if you don't like the label.
Non-denomination is the specific rejection of any denomination, including Protestantism. You can't simultaneously be denominational and non-denominational. That makes no sense.
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