Christian Discussion Thread XI: Anicetus’ Revenge

[Dylar]

This happened at my grandparent's parish last Sunday.
Thankfully, no one was hurt and my grandparent's weren't there.

[Salus Maior]

This happened at my grandparent's parish last Sunday.
Thankfully, no one was hurt and my grandparent's weren't there.

^ Exactly what I'm talking about.

[Salus Maior]

I'd say the fact that somebody's willing to go out of their way to physically show contempt towards the Christian faith is the most concerning thing.

Just a reminder that churches were attacked recently.

I'd be more upset if a Christian was beheaded. I've never approved of religious icons.

Well, ISIS did both.

And what denomination are you?

[Aeritai]

This happened at my grandparent's parish last Sunday.
Thankfully, no one was hurt and my grandparent's weren't there.

This is just concerning at this point why are Churches being attacked? I understand that our Faith will be attacked, but this is just getting crazy.

[Salus Maior]

This happened at my grandparent's parish last Sunday.
Thankfully, no one was hurt and my grandparent's weren't there.

This is just concerning at this point why are Churches being attacked? I understand that our Faith will be attacked, but this is just getting crazy.

Because people are angry for a lot of reasons, and the media has painted a pretty dark picture of the Catholic Church.

[Aeritai]

This is just concerning at this point why are Churches being attacked? I understand that our Faith will be attacked, but this is just getting crazy.

Because people are angry for a lot of reasons, and the media has painted a pretty dark picture of the Catholic Church.

Shameful I may not be Catholic myself, but you guys do not deserve the hate your getting that also includes other Christian denominations that are faceing the same hate.

[State of Turelisa]

I'd be more upset if a Christian was beheaded. I've never approved of religious icons.

Well, ISIS did both.

And what denomination are you?

Reformed Baptist

[Salus Maior]

Because people are angry for a lot of reasons, and the media has painted a pretty dark picture of the Catholic Church.

Shameful I may not be Catholic myself, but you guys do not deserve the hate your getting that also includes other Christian denominations that are faceing the same hate.

The mob doesn't really know the difference between Catholics, Protestants, or Orthodox. Probably doesn't care, either.

[State of Turelisa]

I always find out about terrorism against churches in the United Kingdom in news articles on the Internet, because the state television provider, the BBC, which I have to fund through a licence fee to use a television set, never reports them on their television news bulletins.

[Lower Nubia]

The combination of mind/spirit and body.

How can the body be part of the soul if they separate at death? If the mind degrades, as it can, does the soul also degrade alongside it?

Mankind is not supposed to be without a body. The Spirit has become synonymous with the soul, which I believe is the first confusion. Taking into account that there is no duality of the spirit, and that man is both his spirit and flesh, we can understand that the soul is not simply another term for the spirit or ethereal, but the ethereal’s unity with the earthly to create a person.

This is why resurrection is the hope of mankind. Man is not a spirit, nor is man flesh. We are the combination of both, and the unity of both is termed the soul. This is because the meaningful distinction of Spirit, Soul and Body happens in the Old Testament; and the term Soul: nephesh, refers to life; which we know constitutes both the body (the dust in Genesis) and the spirit (the breath in Genesis). This is sort of obvious, without your body you die, without your spirit, you die. The unity of both is thus Nephesh; soul.

THIS DOES NOT MEAN THEY ARE INSEPERABLE. I need to caps that because soul sleep people think without the body (as per death) we must not function, or be conscious in death. In reality, we can, as Paul reveals in 2 Corinthians 12:2-4;

“I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven. And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.”

Noting that Paul didn’t need the body to ‘do’ things.

What does it mean? It means the components belong together and that for man to be what a man is; he must be united. Which explains why we must be resurrected in bodies and not just as spirits in heaven.

[Lower Nubia]

This happened at my grandparent's parish last Sunday.
Thankfully, no one was hurt and my grandparent's weren't there.

Gosh, that is awful. My condolences and prayers.

[New Visayan Islands]

This is just concerning at this point why are Churches being attacked? I understand that our Faith will be attacked, but this is just getting crazy.

Because people are angry for a lot of reasons, and the media has painted a pretty dark picture of the Catholic Church.

As if the Black Legends of old haven't faded away...

[Lost Memories]

So here is a thing that has happened: Jesus statue beheaded at Catholic church in South Florida.
Thoughts on this?

A statue can be rebuilt or fixed, Jesus wasn't hurt by that act. (though, as much as private property goes, someone needs to pay damages)

What is worrying is the reasons for why someone would think in their mind that to be an acceptable, if not even righteous, action to do.
And sad to know someone is so full of hate to act like that. (though i may be a bit cold, my personal reaction isn't really of finding it sad, but rather, regrettable)

[Lost Memories]

Because people are angry for a lot of reasons, and the media has painted a pretty dark picture of the Catholic Church.

As if the Black Legends of old haven't faded away...

They very much haven't faded away.
To cite just one of many, people still believe the inquisition to have been the absolute worst of its time period, when instead it was actually among the most civil, fair, professional and law abiding institutions of its time, among a background of tribalistic lay justice systems where there was no real justice, or rather, there was justice in the lay, the mob kind of justice.

I mean, i recently saw an historical documentary about the earthquake of Lisbon, made by a british producer, and there was still in there a clear bias about the political characters involved depending on their ties to the church. They are still going at it. (or maybe they're not even realizing it, as they may be at the stage where they are buying their own past propaganda as historical facts)
It was like:
this politician was a jesuit: bad bad bad bad bad bad
this other politician was part of the enlightenment movement: good good good good good good



Going back at the attack cases, are there more informations on the perpetrators?
The fire attack at the church during mass had quite an instable character as aggressor:

According to local media, Shields told police he has been diagnosed with schizophrenia but is not currently taking prescribed medication. He said that he awoke on Saturday morning with a “mission,” and that he purchased the gas at a nearby gas station, according to Ocala-News.

Shields also quoted scripture, especially the Book of Revelation, to officers, and telling them his objections to the Catholic Church, Ocala-News reported. He reportedly told officers that he understood the consequences of his action, nevertheless saying the arson was “awesome” and referring to himself as “king.”

In 2019, Shields was arrested after swinging a crowbar at a woman and saying he wanted to kill her. Shields said he wanted to kill the woman with his crowbar so he wouldn’t “dirty his blades,” according to Ocala-News.

While there doesn't seem to be much yet on the statue beheader.

At least for the first case, it looks more like a problem of failure in psychological assistance (while there may also have been an effect of antagonizing news)

[Tarsonis]

This happened at my grandparent's parish last Sunday.
Thankfully, no one was hurt and my grandparent's weren't there.

The perpetrator there is was an unmedicated skitzophrenic, who believed he was on a sacred mission. Hard to swallow, but he's as much a victim as are the parishioners.

[Australian rePublic]

Praise the Lord!

[Germanic Templars]

So here is a thing that has happened: Jesus statue beheaded at Catholic church in South Florida.
Thoughts on this?

A statue can be rebuilt or fixed, Jesus wasn't hurt by that act. (though, as much as private property goes, someone needs to pay damages)

What is worrying is the reasons for why someone would think in their mind that to be an acceptable, if not even righteous, action to do.
And sad to know someone is so full of hate to act like that. (though i may be a bit cold, my personal reaction isn't really of finding it sad, but rather, regrettable)

Personally I hold accountable Shaun King for a tweet he made a while back about tearing down statues that depict a white Jesus.

[Lower Nubia]

A statue can be rebuilt or fixed, Jesus wasn't hurt by that act. (though, as much as private property goes, someone needs to pay damages)

What is worrying is the reasons for why someone would think in their mind that to be an acceptable, if not even righteous, action to do.
And sad to know someone is so full of hate to act like that. (though i may be a bit cold, my personal reaction isn't really of finding it sad, but rather, regrettable)

Personally I hold accountable Shaun King for a tweet he made a while back about tearing down statues that depict a white Jesus.

That's just old fashioned protestant fun!

[Diopolis]

Personally I hold accountable Shaun King for a tweet he made a while back about tearing down statues that depict a white Jesus.

That's just old fashioned protestant fun!

No, that's a #BLM extremist.

[New Visayan Islands]

A statue can be rebuilt or fixed, Jesus wasn't hurt by that act. (though, as much as private property goes, someone needs to pay damages)

What is worrying is the reasons for why someone would think in their mind that to be an acceptable, if not even righteous, action to do.
And sad to know someone is so full of hate to act like that. (though i may be a bit cold, my personal reaction isn't really of finding it sad, but rather, regrettable)

Personally I hold accountable Shaun King for a tweet he made a while back about tearing down statues that depict a white Jesus.

To be fair, Jesus was Jewish.

Okay, I was going for an Avenue Q reference, bite me.

[Lower Nubia]

That's just old fashioned protestant fun!

No, that's a #BLM extremist.

As I said, protestant fun.

[Tarsonis]

Personally I hold accountable Shaun King for a tweet he made a while back about tearing down statues that depict a white Jesus.

To be fair, Jesus was Jewish.

Okay, I was going for an Avenue Q reference, bite me.

You're a little bit racist.


also references don't work out that well when you're quoting the show quoting facts

[Lower Nubia]

Personally I hold accountable Shaun King for a tweet he made a while back about tearing down statues that depict a white Jesus.

To be fair, Jesus was Jewish.

Okay, I was going for an Avenue Q reference, bite me.

Avenue Q?

[New Visayan Islands]

To be fair, Jesus was Jewish.

Okay, I was going for an Avenue Q reference, bite me.

Avenue Q?

You're welcome. Never mind that the title arguably did not age well, but I digress.

[Lower Nubia]

Avenue Q?

You're welcome. Never mind that the title arguably did not age well, but I digress.

I’m now more confused than before I asked the question.