NATION

PASSWORD

Christian Discussion Thread XI: Anicetus’ Revenge

For discussion and debate about anything. (Not a roleplay related forum; out-of-character commentary only.)

Advertisement

Remove ads

Topic locked

What is your denomination?

Roman Catholic
263
38%
Eastern Orthodox
47
7%
Non-Chalcedonian (Oriental Orthodox, Church of the East, etc.)
6
1%
Anglican/Episcopalian
35
5%
Lutheran or Reformed (including Calvinist, Presbyterian, etc.)
71
10%
Methodist
16
2%
Baptist
66
9%
Other Evangelical Protestant (Pentecostal, Charismatic, etc.)
62
9%
Restorationist (LDS Movement, Jehovah's Witness, etc.)
32
5%
Other Christian
97
14%
 
Total votes : 695
User avatar
Salus Maior
Postmaster of the Fleet
 
Posts: 27813
Founded: Jun 16, 2014
Ex-Nation

Postby Salus Maior » Mon Jun 29, 2020 9:11 pm

Sarderia wrote:
Aeritai wrote:So if Ethiopia does have the Ark Of The Covenant, would the Vatican want it or would Israel want it back?

Well the Ethiopians consider themselves as Beta Israel (an ancient tribe of Israel) and that their kingship descended from King Solomon, so it perfectly fits the narrative and folklore that God intended it to be kept there.

If they truly did have the Ark it probably wouldn't be moved anywhere. Besides, no-one (except Moses) could see the Ark with their own eyes, because it is the literal representative of God.


Er, Ethiopia actually destroyed Beta Israel.

Beta Israel was a separate entity from Ethiopia.
Traditionalist Catholic, Constitutional Monarchist, Habsburg Nostalgic, Distributist, Disillusioned Millennial.

"In any case we clearly see....That some opportune remedy must be found quickly for the misery and wretchedness pressing so unjustly on the majority of the working class...it has come to pass that working men have been surrendered, isolated and helpless, to the hardheartedness of employers and the greed of unchecked competition." -Pope Leo XIII, Rerum Novarum
Top
User avatar
Neanderthaland
Powerbroker
 
Posts: 9295
Founded: Sep 10, 2016
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Neanderthaland » Mon Jun 29, 2020 9:31 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Sarderia wrote:Well the Ethiopians consider themselves as Beta Israel (an ancient tribe of Israel) and that their kingship descended from King Solomon, so it perfectly fits the narrative and folklore that God intended it to be kept there.

If they truly did have the Ark it probably wouldn't be moved anywhere. Besides, no-one (except Moses) could see the Ark with their own eyes, because it is the literal representative of God.


Er, Ethiopia actually destroyed Beta Israel.

Are you sure that wasn't Chad?
Ug make fire. Mod ban Ug.
Top
User avatar
Lower Nubia
Minister
 
Posts: 3304
Founded: Dec 22, 2017
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Lower Nubia » Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:55 am

Northern Davincia wrote:
Lower Nubia wrote:
If you died tonight, would you know where you’d go? Accept Jesus into your heart tonight, and you will go to heaven!

As a former Baptist I advise you not to wound me so.


I'm in this picture and I don't like it.
  1. Anglo-Catholic
    Anglican
  2. Socially Centre-Right
  3. Third Way Neoliberal
  4. Asperger
    Syndrome
  5. Graduated
    in Biochemistry
Her Region of Africa
Her Overview (WIP)
"These are they who are made like to God as far as possible, of their own free will, and by God's indwelling, and by His abiding grace. They are truly called gods, not by nature, but by participation; just as red-hot iron is called fire, not by nature, but by participation in the fire's action."
Signature Updated: 15th April, 2022
Top
User avatar
New Visayan Islands
Game Moderator
 
Posts: 9467
Founded: Jan 31, 2017
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby New Visayan Islands » Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:05 am

Friendly reminder that June 30th is the Memorial of the First Martyrs of the Church of Rome.

The Blood of Martyrs is the Seed of Christendom.
Let "¡Viva la Libertad!" be a cry of Eternal Defiance to the Jackboot.
My TGs are NOT for Mod Stuff.
For details on the man behind NVI, click here.
Top
User avatar
Tarsonis
Post Czar
 
Posts: 31138
Founded: Sep 20, 2017
Democratic Socialists

Postby Tarsonis » Tue Jun 30, 2020 4:03 pm

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/30/us/s ... s-aid.html

I know we're not supposed to gloat, but anyday the FFRF takes an L is a good day.
Last edited by Tarsonis on Tue Jun 30, 2020 4:05 pm, edited 1 time in total.
NS Keyboard Warrior since 2005
Ecclesiastes 1:18 "For in much wisdom is much vexation, and those who increase knowledge increase sorrow"
Thucydides: “The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools.”
1 Corinthians 5:12 "What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?"
Galatians 6:7 "Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
James I of Aragon "Have you ever considered that our position is Idolatry to the Rabbi?"
Debating Christian Theology with Non-Christians pretty much anybody be like
Top
User avatar
Lower Nubia
Minister
 
Posts: 3304
Founded: Dec 22, 2017
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Lower Nubia » Wed Jul 01, 2020 4:39 pm

Tarsonis wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/30/us/supreme-court-religious-schools-aid.html

I know we're not supposed to gloat, but anyday the FFRF takes an L is a good day.


FFRF?
  1. Anglo-Catholic
    Anglican
  2. Socially Centre-Right
  3. Third Way Neoliberal
  4. Asperger
    Syndrome
  5. Graduated
    in Biochemistry
Her Region of Africa
Her Overview (WIP)
"These are they who are made like to God as far as possible, of their own free will, and by God's indwelling, and by His abiding grace. They are truly called gods, not by nature, but by participation; just as red-hot iron is called fire, not by nature, but by participation in the fire's action."
Signature Updated: 15th April, 2022
Top
User avatar
The Holy Mercurian Empire
Spokesperson
 
Posts: 108
Founded: Jan 28, 2020
Ex-Nation

Postby The Holy Mercurian Empire » Wed Jul 01, 2020 4:40 pm

Lower Nubia wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/30/us/supreme-court-religious-schools-aid.html

I know we're not supposed to gloat, but anyday the FFRF takes an L is a good day.


FFRF?

Freedom From Religion Foundation.
Top
User avatar
Tarsonis
Post Czar
 
Posts: 31138
Founded: Sep 20, 2017
Democratic Socialists

Postby Tarsonis » Wed Jul 01, 2020 5:15 pm

Lower Nubia wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/30/us/supreme-court-religious-schools-aid.html

I know we're not supposed to gloat, but anyday the FFRF takes an L is a good day.


FFRF?


basically the worst atheist/anti-theist tropes under on masthead.
NS Keyboard Warrior since 2005
Ecclesiastes 1:18 "For in much wisdom is much vexation, and those who increase knowledge increase sorrow"
Thucydides: “The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools.”
1 Corinthians 5:12 "What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?"
Galatians 6:7 "Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
James I of Aragon "Have you ever considered that our position is Idolatry to the Rabbi?"
Debating Christian Theology with Non-Christians pretty much anybody be like
Top
User avatar
New Visayan Islands
Game Moderator
 
Posts: 9467
Founded: Jan 31, 2017
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby New Visayan Islands » Wed Jul 01, 2020 5:48 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Lower Nubia wrote:
FFRF?


basically the worst atheist/anti-theist tropes under on masthead.

So the people TS Eliot most likely had in mind when he said "if you will not have God (and He is a jealous God) you should pay your respects to Hitler or Stalin," then?
Last edited by New Visayan Islands on Wed Jul 01, 2020 5:48 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Let "¡Viva la Libertad!" be a cry of Eternal Defiance to the Jackboot.
My TGs are NOT for Mod Stuff.
For details on the man behind NVI, click here.
Top
User avatar
Diopolis
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 17734
Founded: May 15, 2012
Ex-Nation

Postby Diopolis » Wed Jul 01, 2020 6:40 pm

Happy feast of the precious blood!
Texas nationalist, right-wing technocrat, radical social conservative, post-liberal.
Top
User avatar
Lower Nubia
Minister
 
Posts: 3304
Founded: Dec 22, 2017
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Lower Nubia » Wed Jul 01, 2020 7:20 pm

The Holy Mercurian Empire wrote:
Lower Nubia wrote:
FFRF?

Freedom From Religion Foundation.


They sound fun.
  1. Anglo-Catholic
    Anglican
  2. Socially Centre-Right
  3. Third Way Neoliberal
  4. Asperger
    Syndrome
  5. Graduated
    in Biochemistry
Her Region of Africa
Her Overview (WIP)
"These are they who are made like to God as far as possible, of their own free will, and by God's indwelling, and by His abiding grace. They are truly called gods, not by nature, but by participation; just as red-hot iron is called fire, not by nature, but by participation in the fire's action."
Signature Updated: 15th April, 2022
Top
User avatar
The Holy Mercurian Empire
Spokesperson
 
Posts: 108
Founded: Jan 28, 2020
Ex-Nation

Postby The Holy Mercurian Empire » Wed Jul 01, 2020 7:34 pm

Lower Nubia wrote:
The Holy Mercurian Empire wrote:Freedom From Religion Foundation.


They sound fun.


Yes. Apparently "Congress shall not make a law restricting the free exercise of religion" is supposed to translate to "I have the right not to have to put up with public religious expression in any way shape or form."
Top
User avatar
Australian rePublic
Postmaster of the Fleet
 
Posts: 27180
Founded: Mar 18, 2013
Left-Leaning College State

Postby Australian rePublic » Thu Jul 02, 2020 12:56 am

Considering that there are millions of people who pray to God daily, why should we believe that prayers aren't in vein? How do we know that prayer isn't an excersize in futility?
Hard-Core Centrist. Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right.
All in-character posts are fictional and have no actual connection to any real governments
You don't appreciate the good police officers until you've lived amongst the dregs of society and/or had them as customers
From Greek ancestry Orthodox Christian
Issues and WA Proposals Written By Me |Issue Ideas You Can Steal
I want to commission infrastructure in Australia in real life, if you can help me, please telegram me. I am dead serious
Top
User avatar
Sundiata
Powerbroker
 
Posts: 9755
Founded: Sep 27, 2019
Ex-Nation

Postby Sundiata » Thu Jul 02, 2020 1:22 am

Australian rePublic wrote:Considering that there are millions of people who pray to God daily, why should we believe that prayers aren't in vein? How do we know that prayer isn't an excersize in futility?

Because God's nature is not just loving, it's love itself. He wants us to be truly happy.
"Don't say, 'That person bothers me.' Think: 'That person sanctifies me.'"
-St. Josemaria Escriva
Top
User avatar
Aeritai
Minister
 
Posts: 2208
Founded: Oct 25, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Aeritai » Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:36 am

Australian rePublic wrote:Considering that there are millions of people who pray to God daily, why should we believe that prayers aren't in vein? How do we know that prayer isn't an excersize in futility?


Prayers are not in vein God will answer them just have patience.
Just call me Aeri
IC: This is a fantasy medieval nation full of deer people... Yes you read that right, deer people
I am a Human Female
Top
User avatar
Tarsonis
Post Czar
 
Posts: 31138
Founded: Sep 20, 2017
Democratic Socialists

Postby Tarsonis » Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:09 am

Australian rePublic wrote:Considering that there are millions of people who pray to God daily, why should we believe that prayers aren't in vein? How do we know that prayer isn't an excersize in futility?


That would be the mystery of faith.

"Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen."
NS Keyboard Warrior since 2005
Ecclesiastes 1:18 "For in much wisdom is much vexation, and those who increase knowledge increase sorrow"
Thucydides: “The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools.”
1 Corinthians 5:12 "What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?"
Galatians 6:7 "Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
James I of Aragon "Have you ever considered that our position is Idolatry to the Rabbi?"
Debating Christian Theology with Non-Christians pretty much anybody be like
Top
User avatar
New Visayan Islands
Game Moderator
 
Posts: 9467
Founded: Jan 31, 2017
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby New Visayan Islands » Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:56 am

The Holy Mercurian Empire wrote:
Lower Nubia wrote:
They sound fun.


Yes. Apparently "Congress shall not make a law restricting the free exercise of religion" is supposed to translate to "I have the right not to have to put up with public religious expression in any way shape or form."

Clearly they missed the part about free exercise.
Let "¡Viva la Libertad!" be a cry of Eternal Defiance to the Jackboot.
My TGs are NOT for Mod Stuff.
For details on the man behind NVI, click here.
Top
User avatar
Tarsonis
Post Czar
 
Posts: 31138
Founded: Sep 20, 2017
Democratic Socialists

Postby Tarsonis » Thu Jul 02, 2020 7:41 am

New Visayan Islands wrote:
The Holy Mercurian Empire wrote:
Yes. Apparently "Congress shall not make a law restricting the free exercise of religion" is supposed to translate to "I have the right not to have to put up with public religious expression in any way shape or form."

Clearly they missed the part about free exercise.


They sued to have the 9/11 cross from the 9/11 museum. They're ridiculous
NS Keyboard Warrior since 2005
Ecclesiastes 1:18 "For in much wisdom is much vexation, and those who increase knowledge increase sorrow"
Thucydides: “The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools.”
1 Corinthians 5:12 "What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?"
Galatians 6:7 "Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
James I of Aragon "Have you ever considered that our position is Idolatry to the Rabbi?"
Debating Christian Theology with Non-Christians pretty much anybody be like
Top
User avatar
Lower Nubia
Minister
 
Posts: 3304
Founded: Dec 22, 2017
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Lower Nubia » Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:23 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
New Visayan Islands wrote:Clearly they missed the part about free exercise.


They sued to have the 9/11 cross from the 9/11 museum. They're ridiculous


They’d love England. Every memorial is a cross.
  1. Anglo-Catholic
    Anglican
  2. Socially Centre-Right
  3. Third Way Neoliberal
  4. Asperger
    Syndrome
  5. Graduated
    in Biochemistry
Her Region of Africa
Her Overview (WIP)
"These are they who are made like to God as far as possible, of their own free will, and by God's indwelling, and by His abiding grace. They are truly called gods, not by nature, but by participation; just as red-hot iron is called fire, not by nature, but by participation in the fire's action."
Signature Updated: 15th April, 2022
Top
User avatar
Salus Maior
Postmaster of the Fleet
 
Posts: 27813
Founded: Jun 16, 2014
Ex-Nation

Postby Salus Maior » Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:27 pm

Australian rePublic wrote:Considering that there are millions of people who pray to God daily, why should we believe that prayers aren't in vein? How do we know that prayer isn't an excersize in futility?


What does the amount matter?
Traditionalist Catholic, Constitutional Monarchist, Habsburg Nostalgic, Distributist, Disillusioned Millennial.

"In any case we clearly see....That some opportune remedy must be found quickly for the misery and wretchedness pressing so unjustly on the majority of the working class...it has come to pass that working men have been surrendered, isolated and helpless, to the hardheartedness of employers and the greed of unchecked competition." -Pope Leo XIII, Rerum Novarum
Top
User avatar
Tarsonis
Post Czar
 
Posts: 31138
Founded: Sep 20, 2017
Democratic Socialists

Postby Tarsonis » Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:31 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Australian rePublic wrote:Considering that there are millions of people who pray to God daily, why should we believe that prayers aren't in vein? How do we know that prayer isn't an excersize in futility?


What does the amount matter?



Ever see Bruce Almighty? Everyone prays to win the lottery, but not everyone can win. If they did everybody would only get like 3 bucks
NS Keyboard Warrior since 2005
Ecclesiastes 1:18 "For in much wisdom is much vexation, and those who increase knowledge increase sorrow"
Thucydides: “The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools.”
1 Corinthians 5:12 "What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?"
Galatians 6:7 "Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
James I of Aragon "Have you ever considered that our position is Idolatry to the Rabbi?"
Debating Christian Theology with Non-Christians pretty much anybody be like
Top
User avatar
Salus Maior
Postmaster of the Fleet
 
Posts: 27813
Founded: Jun 16, 2014
Ex-Nation

Postby Salus Maior » Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:36 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
What does the amount matter?



Ever see Bruce Almighty? Everyone prays to win the lottery, but not everyone can win. If they did everybody would only get like 3 bucks


The lottery isn't omnipotent and omnipresent.
Traditionalist Catholic, Constitutional Monarchist, Habsburg Nostalgic, Distributist, Disillusioned Millennial.

"In any case we clearly see....That some opportune remedy must be found quickly for the misery and wretchedness pressing so unjustly on the majority of the working class...it has come to pass that working men have been surrendered, isolated and helpless, to the hardheartedness of employers and the greed of unchecked competition." -Pope Leo XIII, Rerum Novarum
Top
User avatar
Tarsonis
Post Czar
 
Posts: 31138
Founded: Sep 20, 2017
Democratic Socialists

Postby Tarsonis » Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:48 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:

Ever see Bruce Almighty? Everyone prays to win the lottery, but not everyone can win. If they did everybody would only get like 3 bucks


The lottery isn't omnipotent and omnipresent.


True, but billions of prayers? That's a lot of competing interests. I'm praying I get a call back for an interview for a teaching position. How many others are praying for the exact same thing, the exact same position?

I don't think praying is in vain, obviously, but we should at least be realistic about how the answer you're gonna get most often is going to be "no."
Last edited by Tarsonis on Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:49 pm, edited 1 time in total.
NS Keyboard Warrior since 2005
Ecclesiastes 1:18 "For in much wisdom is much vexation, and those who increase knowledge increase sorrow"
Thucydides: “The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools.”
1 Corinthians 5:12 "What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?"
Galatians 6:7 "Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
James I of Aragon "Have you ever considered that our position is Idolatry to the Rabbi?"
Debating Christian Theology with Non-Christians pretty much anybody be like
Top
User avatar
Salus Maior
Postmaster of the Fleet
 
Posts: 27813
Founded: Jun 16, 2014
Ex-Nation

Postby Salus Maior » Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:51 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
The lottery isn't omnipotent and omnipresent.


True, but billions of prayers? That's a lot of competing interests. I'm praying I get a call back for an interview for a teaching position. How many others are praying for the exact same thing, the exact same position?

I don't think praying is in vain, obviously, but we should at least be realistic about how the answer you're gonna get most often is going to be "no."


Yes, I agree. It was just sounding like the argument was that God wasn't able to answer.
Traditionalist Catholic, Constitutional Monarchist, Habsburg Nostalgic, Distributist, Disillusioned Millennial.

"In any case we clearly see....That some opportune remedy must be found quickly for the misery and wretchedness pressing so unjustly on the majority of the working class...it has come to pass that working men have been surrendered, isolated and helpless, to the hardheartedness of employers and the greed of unchecked competition." -Pope Leo XIII, Rerum Novarum
Top
User avatar
Diopolis
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 17734
Founded: May 15, 2012
Ex-Nation

Postby Diopolis » Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:51 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
The lottery isn't omnipotent and omnipresent.


True, but billions of prayers? That's a lot of competing interests. I'm praying I get a call back for an interview for a teaching position. How many others are praying for the exact same thing, the exact same position?

I don't think praying is in vain, obviously, but we should at least be realistic about how the answer you're gonna get most often is going to be "no."

That is not why we should pray, though.
We should pray to please God. Not in the hope of material benefits in this wretched place of tears.
Texas nationalist, right-wing technocrat, radical social conservative, post-liberal.
Top
PreviousNext
Topic locked

Advertisement

Remove ads

Return to General

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Billyabna, Cretie, Experina, Foxyshire, Kannap, Quasi-Stellar Star Civilizations, The Black Forrest, The New York Nation, The Stellar Union

Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group

Advertisement

Remove ads