Christian Discussion Thread XI: Anicetus’ Revenge

[New Lunenburg]

So it's Maundy Thursday right now my time. Prior to the COVID-19 pandemic, we Filipino Catholics would make it a point to embark on the Seven Churches Visitation, known in-country as Visita Iglesia. No thanks to said pandemic, that practice has gone completely virtual.

What forms your routine during the Paschal Triduum?

I just finished saying Tenebrae for Maundy Thursday. I don’t usually do that, but in absence of the liturgies for the Triduum I’m going to make an effort to do what I can at home.

[Luminesa]

Everyone is called to holiness.

Wait what?, sorry but I do not think I will ever be a Saint, at least I hope not.

I feel sorry for the people who would have to make an icon of my mug.

Anybody can become a Saint. Daily prayer, and contemplation on God’s love and mercy, are good ways to start. Also, giving to the poor and the vulnerable. Being a Saint isn’t about getting your face on a mug (though some saints are on coffee mugs), it’s about living your life as a beacon of God’s love, grace, and truth.

[Luminesa]

So it's Maundy Thursday right now my time. Prior to the COVID-19 pandemic, we Filipino Catholics would make it a point to embark on the Seven Churches Visitation, known in-country as Visita Iglesia. No thanks to said pandemic, that practice has gone completely virtual.

What forms your routine during the Paschal Triduum?

I just finished saying Tenebrae for Maundy Thursday. I don’t usually do that, but in absence of the liturgies for the Triduum I’m going to make an effort to do what I can at home.

I donNr know if I’ve ever attended a Tenebrae service. I just know that I usually go to Mass for the Triduum. Need to figure a way that we’re going to do Holy Thursday. Usually I go to the evening Mass and do Adoration. I guess we’ll figure a way somehow.

[Sundiata]

Everyone is called to holiness.

Wait what?, sorry but I do not think I will ever be a Saint, at least I hope not.

I feel sorry for the people who would have to make an icon of my mug.

Haha.

We always have an advocate to plead our cause for saintliness, Jesus Christ. He doesn't just plead our cause, but also the cause of the whole world.

The Lord does not lose battles.

[Rosmana]

Wait what?, sorry but I do not think I will ever be a Saint, at least I hope not.

I feel sorry for the people who would have to make an icon of my mug.

Haha.

We always have an advocate to plead our cause for saintliness, Jesus Christ. He doesn't just plead our cause, but also the cause of the whole world.

The Lord does not lose battles.

I just miss going church, I go 2 times a week, and now I can only see it online so, I mean I get why, but I hope its over soon.

Through ordinary work right?

Agreed.

[Lower Nubia]

Haha.

We always have an advocate to plead our cause for saintliness, Jesus Christ. He doesn't just plead our cause, but also the cause of the whole world.

The Lord does not lose battles.

I just miss going church, I go 2 times a week, and now I can only see it online so, I mean I get why, but I hope its over soon.

Through ordinary work right?

Agreed.

I miss Church too, I wanted to attend Easter services as an Anglican for the First time.

[Rosmana]

I just miss going church, I go 2 times a week, and now I can only see it online so, I mean I get why, but I hope its over soon.

Through ordinary work right?

Agreed.

I miss Church too, I wanted to attend Easter services as an Anglican for the First time.

Auch, I will pray for you.

Keep the fire of faith going.

[Sundiata]

I miss Church too, I wanted to attend Easter services as an Anglican for the First time.

Auch, I will pray for you.

Keep the fire of faith going.

Ultimately, that means striving to love the Lord as he loves us- unconditionally.

[Geneviev]

How are all of you going to celebrate Easter given the current situation?

[The JELLEAIN Republic]

Now, I’m no Christian…but omnipotence is omnipotence.

Well yes and no. God is almighty, sure, but he is also a being of logic (even if that logic is sometimes above our heads.) Can God make 6 billion triangles? Yes. Can God make a triangle with 4 sides? No. That's not a limit on God's power, rather that's just the nature of God's power.

Logo finite.
Logic is limited.

[The JELLEAIN Republic]

Now, I’m no Christian…but omnipotence is omnipotence.

Well yes and no. God is almighty, sure, but he is also a being of logic (even if that logic is sometimes above our heads.) Can God make 6 billion triangles? Yes. Can God make a triangle with 4 sides? No. That's not a limit on God's power, rather that's just the nature of God's power.

Can god make a rock that he cannot move.
(Famous quote)

[The JELLEAIN Republic]

Sorry for your loss

Thank you.

Rest In Peace ...

[Luminesa]

I just miss going church, I go 2 times a week, and now I can only see it online so, I mean I get why, but I hope its over soon.

Through ordinary work right?

Agreed.

I miss Church too, I wanted to attend Easter services as an Anglican for the First time.

I feel that. I think I’m going to cry tomorrow and Sunday, but I’ll make the best of it. As for you, as painful as this is now, it’ll be all the more sweeter when you go for the first time next year.

[The JELLEAIN Republic]

I would just like to say that I am agnostic but will be visiting a priest some time soon so I can ask question and try to understand the religion better.
What should I ask ?

[Hanafuridake]

Now, I’m no Christian…but omnipotence is omnipotence.

Well yes and no. God is almighty, sure, but he is also a being of logic (even if that logic is sometimes above our heads.) Can God make 6 billion triangles? Yes. Can God make a triangle with 4 sides? No. That's not a limit on God's power, rather that's just the nature of God's power.

If God exists outside time and space, wouldn't that mean he's suprarational (and not limited to logic)?

[The JELLEAIN Republic]

Well yes and no. God is almighty, sure, but he is also a being of logic (even if that logic is sometimes above our heads.) Can God make 6 billion triangles? Yes. Can God make a triangle with 4 sides? No. That's not a limit on God's power, rather that's just the nature of God's power.

If God exists outside time and space, wouldn't that mean he's suprarational (and not limited to logic)?

But even existence is governed by laws ...

And even those laws are governed by laws...



See the problem I have ?

[Rosmana]

Auch, I will pray for you.

Keep the fire of faith going.

Ultimately, that means striving to love the Lord as he loves us- unconditionally.

And make that love visible, through action and prayer.

[The Sladerstan]

Well yes and no. God is almighty, sure, but he is also a being of logic (even if that logic is sometimes above our heads.) Can God make 6 billion triangles? Yes. Can God make a triangle with 4 sides? No. That's not a limit on God's power, rather that's just the nature of God's power.

If God exists outside time and space, wouldn't that mean he's suprarational (and not limited to logic)?

Yes, he is not limited to logic. Some of things he does can defy logic. For instance, when He made manna fall from heaven. How can that be logical? Is it a logical thing for manna to fall from heaven? God works in mysterious ways.

[Hanafuridake]

If God exists outside time and space, wouldn't that mean he's suprarational (and not limited to logic)?

But even existence is governed by laws ...

And even those laws are governed by laws...

See the problem I have ?

Scientific laws aren't Platonic forms which order existence, they're observations about the consistent behavior of natural phenomenon and can be proven wrong. And assuming that there exists a being that has existed eternally without beginning nor end, such a being defies logic.

[Tarsonis]

Well yes and no. God is almighty, sure, but he is also a being of logic (even if that logic is sometimes above our heads.) Can God make 6 billion triangles? Yes. Can God make a triangle with 4 sides? No. That's not a limit on God's power, rather that's just the nature of God's power.

If God exists outside time and space, wouldn't that mean he's suprarational (and not limited to logic)?

Not necessarily, he wouldn't be bound by aspects of our logic i.e cause and effect. But something that's taxonomical like a triangle with four sides, would still be nonsensical. By definition a triangle has three sides and three angles whose sum is equal to 180 degrees. Perhaps He can warp time and space to mess with the number of degrees (as that's more a brute fact of geometry rather than taxonomic classification) but as soon as you put more sides or angles it stops being a triangle.

[Tarsonis]

If God exists outside time and space, wouldn't that mean he's suprarational (and not limited to logic)?

Yes, he is not limited to logic. Some of things he does can defy logic. For instance, when He made manna fall from heaven. How can that be logical? Is it a logical thing for manna to fall from heaven? God works in mysterious ways.

Miracles wouldn't defy logic as by nature they defy the physical laws of the universe. So why it would not be logical for mana to fall from heaven on its own, it's perfectly logical for God to pour mana from heaven.

[Tarsonis]

But even existence is governed by laws ...

And even those laws are governed by laws...

See the problem I have ?

Scientific laws aren't Platonic forms which order existence, they're observations about the consistent behavior of natural phenomenon and can be proven wrong. And assuming that there exists a being that has existed eternally without beginning nor end, such a being defies logic.

Or such a being would be logic in its purest form.

[Albrenia]

As nonsensical as it sounds, wouldn't an omnipotent being be able to do literally anything, including creating an object which paradoxically has both 3 and 4 sides at once?

I mean it would probably melt our brains to observe something for which we cannot comprehend, but if we're talking God here, any limitations seem... less than Godly.

[Lost Memories]

If God exists outside time and space, wouldn't that mean he's suprarational (and not limited to logic)?

Not necessarily, he wouldn't be bound by aspects of our logic i.e cause and effect. But something that's taxonomical like a triangle with four sides, would still be nonsensical. By definition a triangle has three sides and three angles whose sum is equal to 180 degrees. Perhaps He can warp time and space to mess with the number of degrees (as that's more a brute fact of geometry rather than taxonomic classification) but as soon as you put more sides or angles it stops being a triangle.

So when talking about triangles, it isn't as much a matter of logic, but of not changing the meaning to words.

God has his own attributes (which like scientific laws, are human observations), but what can't be done is attributing to god the fault of a faulty human logic, born from a faulty usage of language.
If someone says a triangle has 4 sides, it isn't as much they don't have logic, but rather they don't understand what a triangle is, or are misusing the word triangle, when instead they should be calling that object with four sides a quadrilateral.

Lack of logic is just an other form of ignorance.

[Lost Memories]

If God exists outside time and space, wouldn't that mean he's suprarational (and not limited to logic)?

That would be the case only if you understand logic as internally limited to time and space.

Otherwise, if you understand logic as going past time and space, why would god be outside logic for being outside time and space? He/it wouldn't.

Though, "logic going past time and space" is not the best wording, as it isn't the logic of the world applying past itself, but instead since logic existed before time and space, so it is the world (with time and space) which inherited logic from god.