Who would win...

[Altergo]

I've been watching deadliest warrior and I've been thinking, who would win: Hashshashin vs. Jaguar Warrior?

[Jordaxia]

A western European style knight, equipped with full plate armour, and a weapon of their choice, of course.

On a more answery note, probably the member of the hashashin, given the rather poor showing the jaguar warriors made for themselves when people started using METAL weapons against them.

[Maurepas]

Have to go with the Hashshashin... lack of metal weapons, and the fact that they were trained to capture, not kill, means they arent going to do so hot against a trained assassin with access to cold, hard, steel...

[Brogavia]

Zombies.

[The Great Lord Tiger]

Zombies.

So... Michael Jackson, then?

... I'm Bad.

[Mirkana]

Zombies.

So... Michael Jackson, then?

... I'm Bad.

*guns down*

Answering the OP, Hashishin defeat Jaguar Warriors. Hashishin have stealth and metal weapons. What the frak do Jaguar Warriors have?

[Heinleinites]

As much as I dislike voting for Islamic fanatics, I like being right more, so I'm going to go with the Hashishin.

I was watching 'Deadliest Warrior' a couple of weeks ago, and they pitted William Wallace against Shaka Zulu. After Wallace won, they were doing the wrap-up at the end, and one of the Scottish experts they had retained said "A guy wearing a grass skirt armed with sticks didn't beat a man wearing chain mail armed with iron weapons? I'm shocked." I thought that was funny.

Answering the OP, Hashishin defeat Jaguar Warriors. Hashishin have stealth and metal weapons. What the frak do Jaguar Warriors have?

Measles, mumps, and smallpox, courtesy of the conquistadors

[Sarkhaan]

Zombies.

So... Michael Jackson, then?

... I'm Bad.

Better than being a Smooth Criminal, I guess....

[Maurepas]

Zombies.

So... Michael Jackson, then?

... I'm Bad.

Better than being a Smooth Criminal, I guess....

Unless Alien Ant Farms are around anyway...

[Conserative Morality]

The Hashshashins. Jaguar Warriors were Aztec, and therefore crap, as fighting material.

[Pepe Dominguez]

The Aztec warriors were proper soldiers, trained in single and formation combat, while the mythical assassins were basically drug-addicted spies/bushwackers. An assassin would have no combat experience but a better weapon. A veteran Aztec warrior would've seen some horrifying combat and would still have the benefit of razor-sharp obsidian weapons, so I'd give him the edge on equal ground.

[Conserative Morality]

The Aztec warriors were proper soldiers, trained in single and formation combat, while the mythical assassins were basically drug-addicted spies/bushwackers. An assassin would have no combat experience but a better weapon. A veteran Aztec warrior would've seen some horrifying combat and would still have the benefit of razor-sharp obsidian weapons, so I'd give him the edge on equal ground.

Who said anything about equal ground?

Edit: Besides, they weren't just spies, there's a reason we got the word assassin from Hashashin.

[Pepe Dominguez]

The Aztec warriors were proper soldiers, trained in single and formation combat, while the mythical assassins were basically drug-addicted spies/bushwackers. An assassin would have no combat experience but a better weapon. A veteran Aztec warrior would've seen some horrifying combat and would still have the benefit of razor-sharp obsidian weapons, so I'd give him the edge on equal ground.

Who said anything about equal ground?

Edit: Besides, they weren't just spies, there's a reason we got the word assassin from Hashashin.

Spies who often kill their targets are still spies. I know where the word comes from, but the historical assassin was not a military unit. That's the thing.

[Ifreann]

I would win.

[Conserative Morality]

Spies who often kill their targets are still spies. I know where the word comes from, but the historical assassin was not a military unit. That's the thing.

Point? Like I said, who said ANYTHING about equal ground?

And it doesn't help that the Aztecs liked to highlight their leaders with all sorts of decoration, for God knows what reason.

[Pepe Dominguez]

Spies who often kill their targets are still spies. I know where the word comes from, but the historical assassin was not a military unit. That's the thing.

Point? Like I said, who said ANYTHING about equal ground?

And it doesn't help that the Aztecs liked to highlight their leaders with all sorts of decoration, for God knows what reason.

Who said anything about unequal ground? It isn't much of a question if we assume one party is standing over the other ready to bring a large rock down on its skull.

[Conserative Morality]

Who said anything about unequal ground? It isn't much of a question if we assume one party is standing over the other ready to bring a large rock down on its skull.

But who's attacking who? Even the Mongols refrained from attacking the Hasashin's fortresses outright*.

*They have a very... Peculiar leader at the time. The hashashins, not the Mongols.

[Pepe Dominguez]

Who said anything about unequal ground? It isn't much of a question if we assume one party is standing over the other ready to bring a large rock down on its skull.

But who's attacking who? Even the Mongols refrained from attacking the Hasashin's fortresses outright*.

*They have a very... Peculiar leader at the time. The hashashins, not the Mongols.

They were probably both pretty sneaky when they had to be. Assuming they each were on the lookout for oneanother, I think the professional soldier has an advantage over then assassin. Caught completely by surprise, an old woman with a hat pin could kill an Army Ranger, but I think it's best to assume equal ground.

[Iron Chariots]

The Hashshashins. Jaguar Warriors were Aztec, and therefore crap, as fighting material.

I would disagree, and I think your view of history is not all that nuanced. Like with almost any warrior society (and the Aztec very much were a warrior society), their style of fighting was suited to the context in which they fought. The Roman style of fighting is not the end-all be-all of warfare, y'know.

That said, I still think the Hashshashin would win. But I had to object to the assertion that Aztec warriors were "crap" for the purpose of fighting.

[Conserative Morality]

They were probably both pretty sneaky when they had to be. Assuming they each were on the lookout for oneanother, I think the professional soldier has an advantage over then assassin. Caught completely by surprise, an old woman with a hat pin could kill an Army Ranger, but I think it's best to assume equal ground.

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What? No, not hardly. A hat pin isn't very sharp, and old ladies aren't known for their ability to keep quiet enough to sneak up ON AN ARMY RANGER.

[Conserative Morality]

I would disagree, and I think your view of history is not all that nuanced. Like with almost any warrior society (and the Aztec very much were a warrior society), their style of fighting was suited to the context in which they fought. The Roman style of fighting is not the end-all be-all of warfare, y'know.

Lies! If the Romans came back, same organization and weaponry today, it's quite obvious that they would defeat every modern army on the face of this earth.

That said, I still think the Hashshashin would win. But I had to object to the assertion that Aztec warriors were "crap" for the purpose of fighting.

For the purpose of fighting against anyone with: Metal Weaponry and/or armor, I disagree.

[Lizardiar]

Could someone describe both warriors? I have a small understanding of the Jaguar Warriors, but I don't even know who the other one is. Send link or put the description in post please....

[Pepe Dominguez]

They were probably both pretty sneaky when they had to be. Assuming they each were on the lookout for oneanother, I think the professional soldier has an advantage over then assassin. Caught completely by surprise, an old woman with a hat pin could kill an Army Ranger, but I think it's best to assume equal ground.

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What? No, not hardly. A hat pin isn't very sharp, and old ladies aren't known for their ability to keep quiet enough to sneak up ON AN ARMY RANGER.

My point was, if you take someone out of their element, they're not going to perform well. Hatpins anyway are deadly sharp, and would the Ranger be expecting it from the old woman? I'm guessing not. The deadliness of the assassin was that they were not people you'd expect to attack you, and since they performed suicide missions quite often, they could strike at unlikely times and places.

[Conserative Morality]

Could someone describe both warriors? I have a small understanding of the Jaguar Warriors, but I don't even know who the other one is. Send link or put the description in post please....

From the Wiki:

Unable to mount a conventional military army, the Nizari developed a form of asymmetric warfare transforming the act of political assassination into a system of survival and defense against greed, corruption, injustice and foreign domination. They trained highly capable sleeper commandos known as Fedayeen, who would covertly infiltrate enemy positions and remain undercover. If Nizari civilians were facing pogroms or forts imminent attack the Fedayeen were activated to prevent an attack.

Fedayeen used their well-known deadliness for political goals without necessarily killing; for example, a victim, usually high-placed, might one morning find a Hashshashin dagger lying on his pillow upon awakening. This was a plain hint to the targeted individual that he was not safe anywhere, that maybe even his inner group of servants had been infiltrated by the assassins, and that whatever course of action had brought him into conflict with the Hashashin would have to be stopped if he wanted to live.[1][2]

Within Persian Iran they employed their tactics directly against the Seljuk Turks, rulers who had been persecuting Nizari sects. They were meticulous in killing the targeted individual, seeking to do so without any additional casualties and loss of innocent life, although they were careful to cultivate their terrifying reputation by slaying their victims in public. Typically, they approached using a disguise, or were already sleeper agents in an entourage. Preferring a small hidden blade or dagger, they rejected poison, bows and other weapons that allowed the attacker to escape and live. For unarmed combat, the Hashshashin practiced a fighting style called Janna which incorporated striking techniques, grappling and low kicks. However, under no circumstances did they commit suicide, preferring to be killed by their enemies once the assassination had taken place.

[West Failure]

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